On June 14, 1973, William W. Scranton, unknown person(s), President Richard M. Nixon, and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:29 am and 12:11 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 940-010 of the White House Tapes.
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How are you?
How are you feeling?
All right.
All right.
Talk to my wife.
Uh-huh.
Oh, don't ever talk to your wife again.
Your eyes can never have a beat, Joe.
Only important decisions, right?
Even though Mary's a great gal.
Let me, uh, let me tell you what I have in mind.
But you can see it in a brother's story.
Hey, this is great.
This is... A person.
As you know, I've been trying to get you in this administration since the day we arrived.
And you've been fair.
I wanted to get you in.
I've spent no favor to you.
But basically, you would help us lead you around for a number of reasons.
Because first, you're political.
You're highly respected as a governor.
You're respected in the press.
And basically, you limit some of our more conservative people.
We've done it.
We limit them a lot already.
But I mean, you would help a great deal.
You're quite a human help.
Actually, I'll be honest.
This is a job we want you to do.
and we get 18 hours a day on probably, although it won't appear that way, except among the subsistence of those who can't get gas in the pump.
But the most important single issue that can affect the next 25 years, not in America, but in Europe and Japan, that I hope to fix.
Now, the third point that Al is not asking you, and Al, don't tell him,
and so on and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on,
What I have in mind, Al, is that if Bill does this job, he is the energy man.
Now, you say, nah, I'm kidding.
The difficulty with putting oil man in this job is that nobody will trust you.
And oil men generally are crooked.
I mean crooked in no illegal sense, but they work.
You can't put him alone.
There's nothing about him, whatever.
This is basically, it's like Eisenhower in shape.
I mean, Eisenhower may not have been the best attack Eisenhower once took.
He was a much better field commander than he was.
And he thought that Bradley was a better group commander than he was.
But Eisenhower was the great politician that could pull them all together.
And we need to prove that.
There is a horrible fight in this.
in the sense that they're ready to resign.
George Shultz, who is a scientist, wants to handle energy.
Roger Martin is planning to handle it.
He thinks he's going to handle it.
The National Security Council wants to handle it.
The Defense Department wants to get into it because they've got health bills and a lot of other things.
They're deeply involved.
There are five or six other agencies.
The Atomic Energy Commission wants to handle it.
I think big about this problem.
For example, we've got to make it big enough.
It comes across just energy.
It goes into political.
For example, the decision we made that I've got to make with fresh air on this iron gas field, that gas is going to cost too much.
We're going to have to move one-third of our XMAT money into the finances, health finances.
And it has many finances on the other hand.
It's the biggest gas deal in the world.
And eventually it is.
It'd be too hard to curse, not only economically, but probably even hard to curse politically.
And we gotta play game theory with our Japanese friends, if you get that.
Second, what we gotta take a hard look at is rushing over things.
So if you do realize that you're not on track with a job, which I would ask you to do, ask for your own rest.
You gotta take a hard look at antitrust laws.
This is Al.
Make a point of, call this point of the American flag carrier.
Mr. Michael, we've got to do something about that.
We need to get a man and a rescue down the drain, because we have a lot of firefighters that are competing with each other, and there's a flag carrier in France, a flag carrier in France, a flag carrier in the rest of the country.
But in the field of antitrust, our oil companies are fighting against each other, and each of the companies, the Russians, they come off, the Likens, they come off, and so forth.
There's got to be a coordinated, tight, controllable order of oil companies.
And antitrust, if antitrust appears, we get into it, they talk, and they talk, and so forth.
But I go out, and all the men will talk real good, and go out the next day and cut.
They're all basically, you know what they are.
And you and I, they'll have great friends in that.
Yeah, absolutely.
God, I love that.
I love that.
The Santa Claus guy, he's a great friend of mine.
And the fellow from Texas, the Texas guy.
They're all supporters of our party.
But at this particular point in our history, the United States has got to realize that
We've got to speak as a government, with one voice, and the others all have a piece of the action.
So, what I am suggesting here, and I'm just talking about oil at the moment, is that I visualize this job as one where you will get into the relations with the major oil companies in terms of what they're going to do.
You naturally will have to push the Alaska pipeline in that same way.
Let Bill go out, let him go out and talk to his idiots.
When the time comes, I'm going to put you aside with him.
I'm going to go on that, and I'm going to put him on the team.
And then an hour later, Shaw.
Shaw's becoming unbraceable.
He's our only friend out in that area.
They talk, however, it's a little gulch.
They don't like to talk.
They're not spad.
But gosh, the Lakers are crazy.
The Iraqis.
And you never know the calendar, it can go crazy.
And all of a sudden, the sun is... That's a leaf reader.
That's a leaf reader because the laser is all right.
I think it was something about the jokes this year.
I don't know.
And that's where it is.
I don't mean you make the foreign policy.
You can't do that.
You've got to be right in the middle of it.
You've got to have an oil.
And all this is out there.
You have to work with that piece of Iran.
No, we are a racist and terrible problem to our young people and to the environment.
But though we die out of fear and suffering, it is safe.
I have lived in one mile of the Edison plant in San Francisco.
I'm not scared.
I've got some thoughts and a lot of ambition going.
There is an enormous amount of work in the nuclear energy field and we just let the tap out and it can be done.
We've got to push that.
They told me, I didn't know this, that we still have enormous coal deposits in this country, and that there are new systems in development which will make coal a viable fuel.
What is it?
Electrophiles.
Electrophiles.
And then finally, there is research and development in all the other areas.
uh, solar and so forth, probably way light years ahead, but they're young.
So much of this is lots of other man science stuff.
God knows I don't want to see Russia.
Yes, but we might have to get it done.
Bernie, uh, the auto companies,
to running up on some of the devices, which means you only get 7 to 8 miles per gallon in the big car you see, which is true.
At that point, you wouldn't get 7 miles per gallon.
It may be happening in some of the congregations.
I hope not.
But that's a temporary, temporary thing.
And, of course, all of this is deeply involved in foreign policy.
Now, how will you fit in
How he would fit in is, he would be the expert for it.
Bob, you taught me more.
You taught me science.
You taught me the book.
You taught us, and this is very important, that John Collins, who's our real horse, you know, and I'm an alien.
Basically, John Collins represents a lot of clients, but he's totally loyal to try to do what's best for the country so he can go to Canada.
And we always set up an outside group as part of our deal.
Yes, sir.
But very, very fluid.
We don't want the advisor to make recommendations that we then have to await.
In other words, what I look upon this, and I look upon Clay Kennedy, we'd like him to be the empty czar.
You may be thinking a little bit of a problem.
Many may blow it up.
Venezuela is having a little election, and they might come and see.
The election pipeline might not get through.
We may choose more than we expected to, and so on and so forth.
But the whole point is that there is, in this world, mass supply of cement, enough to take care of all the needs of air conditioning, even the Congo.
But, what it's needed is to get those supplies on.
And what it's needed, in that case at the moment, is a man who looks at this whole thing and puts it all together so that we see with one voice and that we have one truth.
And, look, you know you're about as good a guy as if you ran straight across the manhandle.
This sort of a thing.
You'd love it.
You really would.
I say 18 hours a day in person.
What I'm trying to say is that it's something that requires a concentration of one man, rather than somebody coming in from the outside, in and out, because it won't work.
It won't work in and out.
All of the boys, all of their friends, they're all vying for power.
And every time I turn around, Morton's in for the plan.
He wants to do it.
Not because of Morton, but because his underwriters really didn't know nothing about it.
They just wanted to injure your demons.
But there he is.
It involves elk kills.
It involves offshore drilling.
It involves taxes.
It involves antitrust.
And it involves work.
Oh, is that a big enough challenge for you?
It certainly is.
I don't think I need a driver, but I'm trying to.
I know, but you're doing very well.
General Hayden, the matter is not what I said to end it.
You know what it is.
The work that you have done in the foreign field is in my book that I've written this year.
I know, I know.
to decrease American international power and at the same time be able to enhance and to live this situation in the world and at the same time be able to understand what it's going to be in the future ahead of everybody else is what you've done in the last three years to try to rush it.
It's really extraordinary.
Everybody tells you this, but I think only some of us.
You say, Phil, so many people are blinded by Vietnam.
Vietnam is going to end one way or the other.
It's not.
Well, China and Russia are infinitely more important.
They used to go through and it would be China and Russia.
That's what I'm talking about.
You think so?
Yes.
And me.
And now we're in a different position.
And you recognize this almost before anybody did.
You told me this, you know, in December of 1967.
You might not remember that, but you did in your apartment in New York.
What'd I say?
You held me in in March of 68 when you had me down there again in June of 68 when you had me down there again.
What'd I say?
You said four things.
You said we've got to change our relationship with Western Europe because Johnson has nothing to do but the board, and one reason or another he said we should keep it.
Right back to the red folder that has the latest letter version of it.
Because in second season, it was nonsense for us to continue to be fighting so that we could fear the troops with their powers, and although we always had to watch them very carefully, we had to come to some kind of accommodation.
Because in third season, we had to enter the Vietnam War.
And you told me, fourthly, and I said, you've heard of the opening.
President, I really wasn't sure that you promised me the rest of it.
That we had to open the door to China.
You know, another fellow that remembers that, he might check those three times.
You might check those who present abroad.
Because I thought he had thought about the China thing, too.
I had thought about China a great deal, and let me tell you, it was much against my instincts.
I don't want them.
I know that they're the big leaders, and you wouldn't want them, because I know these people.
But what do you do?
Could we plan for capital on China, though?
Could the man sitting in this office today, when our bargaining position is so great, the Chinese seem to spur their own signature around the world, they know.
At a time when America is the most populous nation with one-fourth of potentially the most
when there are many nuclear power, we allow this non-communication and isolation and let them out there and go.
So that 50 years from now, the fans of the atmosphere will face a major nuclear power with 10 times the number of people we've got.
No way!
That's what it's all about.
Nobody ever was bad.
And I want you to know that if I take this job,
I want this energy policy as it fits in domestically and even more importantly in the long run as it fits in with the whole international situation.
And I want this to be Richard Nixon's policy.
I want to make that very clear to you.
It's a natural integration and implementation and follow up of what you've already done.
And that's what it ought to be.
Oh, you're very kind.
No, I'm not.
I told you that just about six months ago.
I mean, every word of it.
It's extremely important that that's the way it be.
You've done this remarkable thing in the last three years, and this is a follow-on, one of your three, other one you're doing next week, which is...
Just the bike is important.
And you know, you gave me the opportunity of working a little bit with the salt business, and I just take my hat off to you about this.
Actually, let me tell you in combat, in the greatest of combat, we cannot reach a tree without our weapons.
We're not ready.
But we're going to make a great step forward.
But this is not the time to make a deal.
I never believed in making a bad deal in a hurry.
And you don't either.
So let me say on this thing too, which I... Why am I eating the best thing that I could with the rest of my life?
The point is, I'm a digitalized app.
Hello?
I talked about I was amazed to find that we get only 10% of the eastern world, but it's 80% of Europe and 90% of Japan.
And therefore, we can also, we can say, well, it's just Europe.
That's what the damn Suez War is all about.
56, wasn't it?
And so I think the energy man, as I see the energy man, he's got to be plopped down there, right into the middle bell, and then he's going to see who has the food, and he's going to say, I think having the food would be delighted, and I think Bill would be delighted, and we'll interrupt each other when he comes to the
Absolutely, and I know everything.
You never know what you have to say.
We were thinking of Devon, who's a swine of a fine man, you know, and excellent.
But Devon doesn't have the flea.
This is big, big, big.
You've got to get us a Devonist to say, well, I'm going to take a little of your power plant, which will produce a mountain of this and that, and he'll do that better than you like.
But Heather, he will not understand.
It's great that they're making a fortune, they're having a crowd, etc, etc.
I don't want an energy policy bill that's fleece, that we're weak in the world, that you can stand up to and be a positive race for.
What do you think about that?
It's easy.
And strong.
And, of course, that nice little college, strutting around, monotonous, the same way it's still getting cancelled this year.
No, I think you're, I don't know the reason for it.
It may have something to do with, uh, the island's, uh... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They may have made some little hard speech by Ben and Silas back then.
We're sure not.
See, when you get to the back of the island, and the soldiers aren't about to get back in, it's going to be between those two northern islands.
Nobody lives on the island.
Go ahead.
Let me say that that's the reason why you're the man to do the job.
Because we have got that top five.
Well, we've got to take care of the domestic problem, which is initial and immediate.
And that is the whole problem of consumers not understanding what the situation is and the necessity for being able to handle this.
Very unfortunate pricing thing which they've done last night is just right.
They're all over the show, and then putting that price in the car.
I don't know.
It's all, if you look at the thing, if there's no oil in that car, it's coming in.
And if the boys get together and decide that's what they're going to do, you've just got to break them apart and tell them they've got to do this.
to pick up.
His army is about to have a production that's going up.
They're building a mountain of refineries, so we're going to have to, they tell me the problem is fine, our refineries, but I know everything.
That's the thing, he's out here for two hours, I'll talk to him.
Then we have to deal with the process of getting the R&D out so we can do these other things.
And then we have to deal with the R&D part of the first phase.
You know what I mean?
We're going to put this into the Saturday announcement.
We're going to have some voluntary conservation measures and some bureaucratic ones that we can impose on our own people.
But then we've got the development.
This is Bill.
Let me ask you a question.
What's going on?
He's really keen both on the Hill and International.
Oh, me?
Look here, I put 25% of our opinions.
The Japanese, too.
And the Russians aren't.
What the devil is the matter with us?
Well, we've had a little, a little funding trouble, and we're, we're...
I know, but sort of either way, there's another, another weird answer.
I think there's another weird thought.
Well, we got over there now, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh,
We've got to build those plants, and it's going to hurt everybody, but it's in the yard.
I'll tell you, we've got one pretty alabaster in the back.
It's nine acres.
It's a great environmentalist, but he's for building that medicine plant in the yard.
And Lawrence is the name, because everybody knows that he's about to roll jacks.
The situation in the yard is such that if they don't have that plant, they're not going to have much of a deal with it.
You know what I mean?
You know what I mean?
Because I know that it's the wave of the future.
We've got to build those plants.
And I know that it's the wave of the future.
We've got to build those plants, and I've heard about it, but it's in the yard.
I've heard about it, but it's in the yard.
I've heard about it, but it's in the yard.
I've heard about it, but it's in the yard.
I've heard about it, but it's in the yard.
and uh, and building that medicine plant.
And we are.
It's hot in it.
And uh, Lawrence is the name.
And Lawrence is the name.
Because everybody knows, everybody knows that he's a doctor.
Or old Jack says that 280 in the yard is such that if they don't use a doctor.
Or old Jack says that 280 don't end up a plant.
If any yard is such that if they don't end up a plant, they're not going to have much of a living.
They're not going to have much of a living.
Me here.
You know what ever happened.
Go right.
Me here.
You know what ever happened.
We're running out.
We're running out.
We're throwing all the extra.
We're throwing all the extra.
We possibly can't power out of New Jersey.
We have to make it to New England.
Power out of New Jersey.
We have to make it to New England.
And Merrill.
Merrill.
In the comments.
In the comments.
In the comments.
So the reserves in the middle of the Atlantic states, so the reserves in the middle of the Atlantic states
We should not read about it.
We should not read about it.
We should not read about it.
We should not read about it.
We should not read about it.
We should not read about it.
We should not read about it.
We should not read about it.
Now they're supposed to be getting their sugar, but you know sugar, but you know that they don't have sugar.
So the reserves in the mid-Atlantic states, only then at the moment are reduced to the next
There aren't these are the independent distributors.
Now they're supposed to be getting their share, but you know the names.
The majors will come in and say we really love her and so forth.
But the choice is between the company owner, your licensed station, and that border-dependent guy that's going to do the thing.
The problem, not the trouble, is there is the pharmacy.
It is usually the independent guy who has the truck, who has the van, who has the gas, who delivers to the farmers, and they are screwed.
And I have promised to solve it for the people.
On a case-by-case basis, it's something that the independent scientists have encouraged.
But they'll want it.
It's terribly important.
Which I, I would say is, I never, never, I don't know what people, I don't know what you want to ask.
That makes no difference to me.
Linda, my children, yeah, you know what I mean?
That makes no difference to me.
But the point that I make is this.
You are considered to be a man of absolute integrity.
And second, I'm sure that if, if you had a hundred million dollars in standard jersey and decided it would be better
That, you see, there are not many that are out here.
Well, I see that there are many that would, but nobody will believe it.
Nobody will believe it.
It's your believability that's very important here.
Believability, and I want you to know, I will do nothing to compromise that.
I want you to be very close to me, understand?
If my hands are probably very close to yours,
But I want you to be out there fighting the battle for, you know, for this country, for this province, and so forth.
Let the chips fall where they may.
You're going to have another problem.
You're going to have to fight it.
But I think you've got more in the eyes and arteries than I have.
I get along pretty well with that.
We've got to get more, more of these wonderful things, but to get along with science, to get along with Dixie Rays.
God is going to take care of their own, not the trouble of his.
God is going to take care of their own, not the trouble of his.
Erica Barnes.
Erica Barnes.
It is usually independent that you have to track it.
It is usually independent that you have to track it.
I have promised to deliver to the blind, and they are screwed.
And I have promised to solve their people.
On a case-by-case basis, it's something that the interventional scientists have encouraged to resolve their people.
On a case-by-case basis, it's something that the interventional scientists have encouraged.
But they'll want it, and it's terribly important.
They'll want it, and it's terribly important.
I would say this, I never, I don't know why people But the point that I make is this, you are considered .
Why would I make you a man of absolute integrity?
And second, I'm sure that if you had $100 million in standard interest, you are considered to be a man of absolute integrity in Jersey.
And besides, it would be better to move to, second, I'm sure that if you had $100 million in standard interest, and besides, it would be better
You get along with the .
But it's always a politician's job.
It's a politician's job.
A politician.
Bunker hunt.
You do it, right?
Bunker hunt.
You do it, right?
And that, you see, there are not many that are out here.
That, you see, there are not many that are out here.
That, you see, there are not many that would, but nobody would, but nobody will leave.
Nobody will leave.
A church will leave.
Nobody will leave.
Your believability is terribly important here.
Believability, yes.
Believability, yes.
I want you to know I would do nothing to conquer myself.
I want you to know I would do nothing to conquer myself.
I want you to be very close to me, understand.
If my enemies are probably very close to you, understand.
If my enemies are probably very close to you, understand.
If my enemies are probably very close to you, understand.
If my enemies are probably very close to you, understand.
If my enemies are probably very close to you, understand.
The other point I would say is that if you start to marry, it's going to be a lot of fun.
And what I would like to have is, you know, but I want you to be out there fighting the battle for, you know, for this.
But I want you to be out there fighting the battle for, you know, for this country, for this country, for this province, and so forth, province, and so forth.
Let the chips fall, let the chips fall, or they may fall, or you're going to get another one.
You're going to have another one.
You're going to have to fight it.
You're going to have to fight it.
But what I would like to do is to have Bill in a smaller group.
You know, we have a smaller group of people.
I think you've got more on the ice than I have.
I think you've got more on the ice than I have.
I think you've got more on the ice than I have.
I think you've got more on the ice than I have.
I'd like to begin, not because of energy, but because to get along with the things you were able to do.
To get along with the things you were able to do.
To get along with the...
But it's always a politician's shot.
But it's always a politician's shot.
It's a politician's shot.
It's a politician's shot.
It's a politician's shot.
It's a politician's shot.
It will have price.
Yes, that's correct.
Yes, that's the problem.
And the way that we just sit around and kick around problems.
Because every politician who understands the nature of the problem, a politician who understands the nature of the problem, will have to get along with the same fantasy.
The other one I would say is, when you come to America, when you come to America, it's going to be a lot of fun.
And what I would like to have, it's going to be a lot of fun.
And what I would like to have is peace.
What I would like to do is to have buildings.
Because I'd like to have him in, not because of energy.
I'd be glad to sit around.
I'm not having him in, not because of layers.
I'll have him in.
I'd be glad to sit around.
I'm out of layers.
I'll have him in.
We'll have price.
He hasn't had a good break yet.
That's all.
And the way that you sit around, we'll have price.
Yeah, that's about right.
Yeah, that's about all.
And we didn't want to kick around problems, because energy is certainly an awful thing, but if we just sit around and kick around, we've got something coming up now in some of the very problems, because energy is certainly an awful thing, but if we've got something coming up, we get energy with each other, you know, which you will find in some of the very problems.
We get happy with each other, you know.
I don't think there's a lot of things.
I don't think there's a lot of things.
There's a lot of things.
This was a great triumph.
Henry comes through meeting, comes through papers, reads them all.
Very, very little attention.
A triumph, not that it is the war of memory, but that it is a large group of people.
This was a great triumph.
A triumph.
Boy, we have never seen, not seen messages of stuff like this.
not the name of the war, ever, but that it is an enormous improvement in the end of the day.
And why do we need these messages?
Because they're not in the last four decades.
Sal said to me, I just told him, these are true messages.
And the last thing he said to me was, you have never seen messages this tough, but you do have these things that look like something true in the last four decades.
And he had 24 hours, and I said, I have to tell you this, Mr. President, in the event that you do not sign this, I'm going to give you these messages.
They're not in the last four decades.
Sal said to me, I just told him a few months ago, the last day of the deal, that progress would be made to clear the passage of your rejection.
But I cannot and will not have some progress for even 24 hours if I'm not safe.
I have to tell you, Mr. President, the event did not sign us and indicate that we're not safe.
I'm sorry.
Sir, you haven't done any of the progress that you've made to clear the passage of your rejection.
But I cannot, and will not ask the Congress for commitments to Israel that have gone out of filth in the Arab states.
But let's talk about Israel.
Sir?
I guess the three of you should talk.
Every time you talk about Israel, you haven't got any commitments to Israel that have gone out of filth in the Arab states.
Let's talk about it.
It raises the thickets.
I guess the three of us are talking about it.
A lot of domestic, of our domestic Jewish, which I have to read, you have to have some more.
Second, every time you talk about it, it raises the thickets.
It's an area where Henry, who is Jewish, with a lot of the message of our domestic Jewish people, which I have to repeat, is not trusted, but the Arabs do have the message.
I do trust, one.
Second, but Henry is susceptible to
I do trust him.
But Henry, he knows me.
Third, I am his first president in this office.
I've done everything, and I have their confidence up to this point, but now I'm third.
I am the first president in this office today.
Since Israel was recognized, we have come to the moment of truth.
And I can assure you that I'm listening.
We are going to stay.
We're going to stay.
And I won't do anything more.
And I'm not going to forget that we're going to do what we're trying to do.
This is a very tough one because it's going to reach to the fire.
Yeah, but you've done everything you said you would.
I've done everything, and I have that confidence up to this point.
There are sweeps on that at a further time.
I don't know the direction of that one, but now we see it.
Now, the objections.
Once we have come to the moment of truth, then I can assure you that unless we have to enter into something, there's some kind of much more small.
But the main thing I want you to understand is that we're going to do what we're trying to do.
As far as I'm concerned, they come in here and say, well, look, we have a question.
Now that's required a squeeze on that at a perfect time.
And then we'll have a license.
And that'll be another thing about why we should.
There's a license every year.
But we don't have a license.
What's got to happen here to get her to something?
I feel strongly about it.
Let me tell you why I feel strongly about it.
The other thing is, I didn't get married.
But the main thing I want you to know is that as far as everyone's concerned, they come in here and say, well, I love the Jewish community.
It's overplayed with sand.
Take, for example, Israel the Exeter.
Yeah, the Russians.
We got everything out of the Russians.
We have elections in October.
Now that's there.
Good God.
And then we'll have elections.
I'm sure the Russians will be there.
But, Bill, you can't ask the Russians to dismantle their system.
I mean, the thing the Senate wanted to come to me to prove was to say that the Russians would allow all minority members, and that'll be another argument.
There's an election every year.
But we cannot let the mini-scriptures move.
I feel strongly about it.
I mean, the other thing is, I think the Americans want to leave free exit run.
Well, that would be Russian.
Take, for example, the Israeli exit.
That would make the Ukrainians take off.
Really?
Of course you can't do that.
And on the Israeli thing, I told her that's right.
Yeah, the Russians did.
We got everything done on the Russian team.
I'm sure the Russians can be used to make a choice.
I said, no, Peter.
If you, if you, if you can't ask the Russians to dismantle their systems as a result of your insistence on this writer, on this bill, on Labor Day,
The thing the Senate wanted to do was to destroy it.
You will be responsible for destroying the Greeks, which would say that the Russians against the Soviet Union are a peaceful world for possible reduction of violence that we have had in our time.
And I would say so.
We allow all minority groups who wanted to leave free exit
I don't want to raise that assumption.
But I'll do it.
I'll do it.
Well, that would have to be rushed.
You'd have 40 million people.
Would you?
I'm not going to take any of this to take off.
Really?
Of course you can't do that.
And I'll tell you the very thing.
I told these Jewish people, I said, no, Peter, if you, if you, as a result of your existence,
As writers on this bill, our favorite nations, if you destroy it, you will be responsible for destroying the greatest opportunity for a more peaceful world for possible production environments that we have had in our time.
And I would like to say so.
I don't want to raise that assumption in this country, but I'll do it if they do that.
Would you?
I'm not going to take them.
Because they can go too far.
In the end of the day, we've got to have a secure history.
Because they can go too far.
In the end of the day, we've got to have a secure history.
See, that's the deal.
If you know it's going to be secure, we'll give them a guarantee.
I know.
I know.
I give them every chance.
They have that I promised when I say I have got to get reasonable.
We couldn't have done more.
I give them this country.
I give them every chance.
And they trust me.
But they must not have the feeling that now the chance that I promised when I say I know what we've done, we can do it forever.
I give them this country.
I keep telling them this is my hand.
This country.
And they probably shouldn't matter the most.
Time is not a very interesting thing, but they must not have the feeling.
I said, you can let the whole, now, because the whole Arab world is like the United States, you can let them five years, you can let them ten years, we can do it forever.
I keep telling Mrs. Mayer, I said, 25 years from now, 20 years from now, they will have it all.
So move now, make it happen.
the best you can.
And I said, all the things that's not up there inside, I said, you can let that apply.
And I said, there's another thing.
You can let the whole Arab world live, unless the Russians today, you can let them five years from now, you can send in technicians and pilots and so on, and then you're dead within 10 years from now.
Unless the United States holds it 25 years from now, 20 years from now, they will have it all.
So move now.
Make the best use of the camera.
And I said, also, Madam Prime Minister, there's another plan.
You can listen.
Unless the Russians send in technicians and pilots and stuff.
And then you're dead.
Unless the United States holds the ground.
It was a tough call.
What's happened to the show?
What's happened to the show?
I don't know what the best of the awful day is, but we've got something coming up now in some other period.
We did have a release on the In-N-Out and everything, which you will find.
There's a lot of action going on.
We're seeing...
Why?
Because other people are making good.
We're saying it.
Why?
Because other people are making good.
You know, he bolstered.
He bolstered.
And the shots, he would break anything.
The shots, he would break anything.
Just as simple as that.
He's a, he's a very tough guy.
Just as simple as that.
He's a, he's a very tough guy.
Great.
Great.
He knows, you know, he knows.
He's not a push for it.
He's very tough.
You know, we have something.
He's not a push for it.
He's very tough.
We have something for us.
They're going for it.
They're going to support us.
They're going to support us.
Very friendly to me.
Very friendly to me.
Very highly, very highly, very highly, very highly amused.
Very highly amused.
Remember when you sent me over there and I had those four hours with you?
Highly amused.
Remember when you sent me over there and I had those four hours with you?
That became extremely clear several months, you know.
And I think he's doing a damn good job extremely clear several months.
And I think he's doing a damn good job.
Terrorist.
That country, terror offers.
That country, terror offers.
That country, terror offers.
That country, terror offers.
That country, terror offers.
That country, terror offers.
I don't either, Michael.
Henry, it would be of great service to your company if you could just say, I am not so...
I am not so...
I am not so...
I am not so...
I am not so...
I think he would like it.
I mean, I think he'd like the challenge.
The other thing is, the other thing is that the way I envision the job
It's not just sitting over there and that's the way you are envisioned to be in the job, coming around.
It's not, I'm like, oh yeah, we've got this.
It's not just sitting over there and that.
You will be in the job, whether or not the farmer's up.
I'm like, oh yeah, we've got this up.
Digger, get the nutter there.
Whether or not you're going to harvest the grains.
Farmer's up.
What I have in mind is the statement, digger, get the nutter.
When you're out there,
to harvest the grains.
What I have in mind is this big picture.
If you're assigning to an administrative way, who gives the money to the people?
How do you assign to an administrative way?
How do you give to the people?
How do you send the government?
You've got to use the people in the government.
They all have to use the people in the government.
They all are in it, and they're so sensitive about not being able to do that.
They're so sensitive about not being able to do that, can't you?
Yeah.
I mean, and what I mean is, can't put on shoes if you don't want to.
Yeah.
I mean, and what I mean is, can't put on shoes if you don't want to.
They're very, very sensitive about it.
They're very sensitive about it.
And right in the problem that...
They run the thing.
They run the thing.
I want you to come in and tell me, but if it's, I'll have, I may have, I want you to come in and tell me, but if it's, I'll have, I may have some judgments on some things due to the fact that I've done some things due to that somewhat related with international security.
So, but I, in fact,
that I'm somewhat familiar with international situations.
I have, but believe me, I don't know that.
But believe me, I don't know anything about situations at all.
I know a little about oil situations at all.
I know a little about oil at all.
I know a little about workers' oil, but that's not all at all.
I know a little about workers' oil, but that's not all at all.
That's changed so much that we used to think a well that was 4,000 feet deep was a hell of a well.
That's changed so much that we used to think a well that was 4,000 feet deep was a hell of a 25,000 feet deep.
You know, we drove, I set up a company once where we had a pretty good well and made some money.
LOL, now they go down to 25,000 people.
You know, we grow, I set up a company once where we, we incorporated in them, those are for $25,000.
$25,000 per month.
We got a pretty good wealth of business money.
And we, we incorporated in them, those are $25,000.
Right.
You can let us know tomorrow.
Right.
I hope you may want to read this.
This is a certain show of tone.
This is a certain show of tone and correspondence.
This is a certain show of tone and correspondence.
This is a certain show of tone and correspondence.
So I want to do that.
It's the right cue.
It's the right cue.
It is the right cue.
It is the right cue.
Can you imagine?
Can you imagine?
This office four and a half years ago.
President of this office four and a half years ago, I mean, President, the death is okay, right?
The death is okay, right?
Can you imagine?
Can you imagine?
They were not dead.
They were not dead.
It's very important.
It's very important.
Look, I don't want to get into personal things at all.
Well, I don't want to get into personal things at all, but this was a great triumph for Paris.
A triumph not in the name of the war, never, but it is an enormous improvement for Paris.
Would it be helpful if I came back home?
Would it be helpful if I came back home?
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
And you should tell me that we would help.
I'd love to talk to her about it.
And you should tell me that we would help.
I'd love to have her down here, too.
If you understand what this involves, I'd love to come here and talk to her about it.
We'd love to have her down here, too.
If you understand what this involves, I'd love to come here and talk to her about it.
And we've gone over this with all of us.
And we've gone over this with all of us around.
And we've all decided this is what we're going to do.
And if you have made it into this year, we're going to count you out.
We're going to count you out.
And if you have made it into this year, we're going to count you out.
You work with kids, you work with Claire, you work with Nicky, Claire, Nicky, Nicky, and that's the reason why, that's the reason why, it's a question of, it's a question of, it's not necessarily for everyone.
It's not necessarily for everyone.
One last question.
One last question.
Tell her that I felt that way and that we and Pat and I just like to have you in her arms.
Right?
If you do the job,
As pros do, as pros do, see that these episodes can turn, see that these episodes can turn into questions.
You have never seen messages as tough as the two heads of states in the last few months of the last election.
Sal, such a writer, has told me a few messages.
The last day, 24 hours, I have not seen them.
I have to tell you, Mr. President, in the event that you do not sign this, it indicates that the progress you have made is very fast in your direction.
But I cannot, and will not, have some progress for 18, 12, 10, 15, 30 years.
We haven't got any commitments to Israel that are going to fill us in an hour or six.
But let's talk about Israel.
I guess the three of us are talking about Israel.
Every time you talk about Israel, it raises the tensions.
You know, with a lot of domestic, of our domestic Jewish, which I have to agree, you have to have some more.
Second,
It's an area where Henry, who is Jewish, is not trusted by the Arabs.
I do trust him.
But Henry is susceptible to Israeli aggression.
He's susceptible.
They put the country first, and I'm pretty certain that he is, and he knows it.
Third,
I am the first president in this office that, since Israel was recognized as a state, voted not.
And I won't do it anymore.
Absolutely not.
And you've done everything you said you would do.
I've done everything.
And I have their confidence up to this point.
But now, we have come to the moment of truth.
And I can assure you that on this one, we are going to get there.
We're going to do what we're trying to do.
It's a very tough one because it's going to require a squeeze on them at a pertinent time.
I don't have a preference about why we squeeze the Egyptians.
What's going to happen is they're going to enter in southern Persia.
It's a general question as well.
But the main thing I want you to know is that as far as Israel is concerned, they come in here and say, well, look, we have elections in October.
Now that's their idea.
Good God, and then we'll have elections in November and that'll be another argument.
There's an election every year, but we cannot let the mini-secretion explode.
I feel strongly about it, let me tell you.
And the other thing is, I think the American Jewish community has overplayed its hand.
Take, for example, Israeli ex-combatants.
Yeah, the Russians did.
We got everything out of the Russian Union.
Sure, the Russians did.
But, Bill, you can't ask the Russians to dismantle their system.
The thing the Senate wanted me to approve was to say that the Russians would allow all minority groups who wanted to leave free exit to the Russians.
Well, that would have to be Russian.
You'd have 40 million Ukrainians to take off.
Really?
Of course you can't do that.
And on the Israeli thing, I told these Jewish people, I said,
your insistence on this right, on this bill of labor nations, you destroy it.
You will be responsible for destroying the greatest opportunity for our peaceful world for possible reduction of violence that we have had in our time.
And I am willing to say so.
I don't want to raise that assumption in this country, but I'll do it.
I'll do it if they do that.
I'm not going to tell you about it.
Because they can go too far.
And we've got to have a secure history.
No, no, no.
I'm concerned about that.
I know.
Israel is going to be secure.
We'll give them a guarantee.
Probably with the Russians.
We've gone all the way with Israel.
I don't know how you feel about that.
I've got to.
They have got to get reasonable.
We couldn't have done more for them.
I'll give them every jet that I promise when I say I have.
I'll give them this country and this country.
And they trust me.
But they must not have the feeling that now, because of what we've done, we can do it forever.
I keep telling Mrs. Mayer, I said, Madam Prime Minister, remember, time is not a very sign.
I said, you can let the whole Arab world today, you can let them five years, you can let them ten years, you can let them ten years.
For 25 years from now, 20 years from now, they will let it all in.
So move now.
Make the best of it you can.
And I said, also, my department, there's another department.
You can let them, unless the Russians send in technicians and pilots, et cetera.
And then you're dead.
Unless the United States holds the ground.
It was a tough call.
What's happened to the Shah?
I don't know what the devil is.
We're seeing it.
Well, I think it's because other people are making good people.
And the Shah is making very good people.
It's just as simple as that.
He's a very tough guy.
Very tough.
He knows he's going to push for it.
He's very tough.
But we have something going for us there that's important.
Very important to me.
Very highly immune.
Very highly immune.
Remember when you sent me over there, I had those four hours with him.
That became extremely clear several months.
And I think he's doing a damn good job getting the Persian Gulf in order, too.
Yes, he did, Elder.
He did.
He did.
He did.
He did.
He did.
He did.
Bill, if you could do it, let me say this.
It would be a great service to your country if you could just say, I am not so...
I can't just say that I would appreciate the person.
Because I think you need to, you need to very much, very much.
There are other reasons.
Third, I think you would like it.
I mean, I think you'd like the challenge.
The other thing is that the way I envision a job,
It's not just sitting over there that you will be pounding around.
I'm like, oh, we've got this meeting, whether or not the farmer's out to dig or get the nuts or harvest the grains.
What I have in mind is this big picture.
With your assigning to an administrative way, who gives the people?
How did the government do that?
You've got to use the people in the government.
I think you have that skill where you can let them think they're running it, but you don't.
That's what we do.
The basic strategy decisions have to be made here.
I want you to come in and tell me.
But I may have some judgments on some things due to the fact that I am somewhat familiar with international situations.
But believe me, I don't know anything about situations at all.
I know a little about loyal rules.
I did a little of that work as a lawyer, but that's not all.
And that's changed so much that we used to think our wealth was 4,000 feet deep.
It was a hell of a wealth.
Now they go down to 25,000 feet.
You know, we drove, I set up a company once where we had a pretty good wealth and made this money.
And we incorporated it now.
So it's like $25,000.
$25,000 to turn it all over.
And today, these guys talk about millions for one wealth, right?
Well, good luck with this depression, sir.
Right.
You can let us know tomorrow.
I will.
Right.
Oh, you might want to read this.
This shows a tone of correspondence.
This is about murder.
So I want to do that.
It's around the cube.
It is hard.
It is hard.
Well, I don't want to get into personal things at all,
Would it, would it be helpful if I could, if I could marry her?
Uh, I don't know.
She hasn't told me what her idea has been going to go.
She's looked it up.
She hasn't told me what she thinks.
She hasn't had that opportunity.
But she knows those who have been asked.
Yes, sir.
I used to tell you that we would help.
I'd love to talk to her.
We'd love to have her down here too.
If you understand what's involved here, then you'll be able to listen to the super captain.
This has nothing to do with this.
We've gone over this with Franklin, with Connor, and all the hot shots they're on.
All of a sudden, it's new.
It's amazing to be here.
If you're working with us, if you're working with Kissinger, if you're working with Claire, if you're working with Dave,
And that's the reason why I'm not going to answer it.
It's a question, but it's not necessarily forever.
I hope you can tell me.
Let me talk to my wife.
I'm ready if you want to.
That's great.
Tell her that I felt that way and that we and Pat and I just like to have you and her around.
Right.
If you do the job, it doesn't matter.
As pros do, see that these episodes can turn different than the Russians do.