Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 23 › Conversation 023-137

Nixon phone call with Ehrlichman on Richard Kleindienst

Wednesday, May 3, 1972 · 2:48 PM–2:49 PM ET · White House Telephone · 38 sec

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.Conversation023-137 on Tape 23StartWednesday, May 3, 1972 at 2:48 PMEndWednesday, May 3, 1972 at 2:49 PMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 023-137 ↗

President Nixon and John Ehrlichman coordinate the logistics and messaging strategy for an upcoming announcement regarding the appointment of an acting Attorney General. They determine that the announcement should be handled personally rather than through Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler due to political sensitivities regarding Richard Kleindienst. The President confirms that the designated spokesperson has been fully briefed on the necessary talking points to manage the public narrative.

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Yeah.
Mr. Ehrlichman, sir?
Yeah.
Hello.
I just wanted to be sure I had the signals correct here.
I had the impression when we were talking yesterday that Ron would make this announcement because of the fact
Clandy's being acting Attorney General.
No, we're appointing an acting man.
We ran into a little tenderness on Clandy's part.
It was our judgment didn't make all that much difference.
Oh, I see.
All right.
That's why you want to do it.
Yeah, fine.
Okay.
And then he'll walk out and do it, but he has all the signals as to what to say.
And Ron does, too, and Ron will supplement it.
Oh, I see.
Fine.
Okay.

On May 3, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman talked on the telephone from 2:48 pm to 2:49 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 023-137 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 23-137

Date: May 3, 1972
Time: 2:48-2:49 pm
Location: White House Telephone

John D. Ehrlichman talked with the President.

[See also Conversation No. 335-16B]

     Ronald L. Ziegler's announcement
          -Clarification
          -Acting Attorney General
                -Richard G. Kleindienst's opinion
          -Arrangements
  • 023-136 2:30 PM · 8 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at 2:30 pm.
  • 335-012 2:30 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at 2:30 pm.
  • 335-013 2:30 PM · 14 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at 2:30 pm.
  • 335-014 2:30 PM · 9 min — President Richard M. Nixon and John K. Andrews, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:30 pm to 2:40 pm.
  • 335-015 2:40 PM · 19 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 2:40 pm and 2:41 pm.
  • 335-016 2:41 PM · 8 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, unknown person(s), and John D. Ehrlichman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:41 pm to 2:49 pm.
  • 335-017 2:50 PM · 36 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Richard G. Kleindienst, L[ouis] Patrick Gray, III, unknown person(s), John D. Ehrlichman, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:50 pm to 3:35 pm.
  • 023-138 2:53 PM · 2 min — John D. Ehrlichman, White House operator, and Ronald L. Ziegler talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 2:53 pm and 3:10 pm.

Conversation 023-137, May 3, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/023-137 (accessed October 10, 2026).