Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 38 › Conversation 038-025

Nixon phone call with Bull on Paul W. Keyes and National security

Saturday, April 14, 1973 · 11:33 AM–11:34 AM ET · White House Telephone · 1 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.; [Unknown person(s)]Conversation038-025 on Tape 38StartSaturday, April 14, 1973 at 11:33 AMEndSaturday, April 14, 1973 at 11:34 AMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 038-025 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon instructed Stephen B. Bull to reschedule his lunch meeting with Paul W. Keyes due to unexpected demands regarding national security matters. Nixon initially suggested meeting after the White House correspondents' event, but ultimately pivoted to scheduling a brief chat following the 2:00 pm garden tour. The brief exchange highlights the President's efforts to balance social obligations with pressing executive responsibilities.

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Yes, sir.
Let the keys not to stand by.
I'm going to be tied up here for a while.
And I'll try to reach him this afternoon.
He'll be around today, won't he?
Yes, sir.
He'll be around.
He's here right now, sir.
Tell him that I got tied up here in national security matters and I can't take off and have lunch and all that sort of thing.
And maybe sometime this afternoon we can get together at
Or better still, I'll tell you what I'd like to do.
Why doesn't he come to the White House after the White House correspondence thing and I can chat with him a little over there?
After the correspondence thing?
After this garden tour?
The garden tour?
After the correspondence.
You mean late tonight, sir?
Oh, I guess that's going to be too late.
I mean, the garden tour, we could have a little time, and we'll see.
Okay, after the garden tour, maybe.
The garden tour is 2 o'clock now.
It'll be about 2 o'clock, maybe five minutes or two.
I'll be over there.
Bye.
Bye.

NARA Description

On April 14, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and unknown person(s) talked on the telephone from 11:33 am to 11:34 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-025 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 38-25

Date: April 14, 1973
Time: 11:33 am - 11:34 am
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with Stephen B. Bull. An unknown person can be heard in the
background.

[See also Conversation No. 428-19E]

     President’s schedule
           -Paul W. Keyes
                 -Rescheduling
           -National Security Matters
           White House correspondents’ dinner
           -Garden tour
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

Also recorded on April 14, 1973

  • 038-021 10:49 AM · 21 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone from 10:49 am to 10:50 am.
  • 038-022 10:50 AM · 21 sec — John D. Ehrlichman and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 10:50 am and 11:30 am.
  • 038-023 10:50 AM · 33 sec — John D. Ehrlichman, John W. Dean, III, and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 10:50 am and 11:30 am.
  • 038-024 10:50 AM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and unknown person(s) talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 10:50 am and 11:33 am.
  • 038-026 12:30 PM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 12:30 pm and 12:53 pm.
  • 038-027 12:53 PM · 15 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone from 12:53 pm to 12:54 pm.
  • 428-020 12:53 PM · 11 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 12:53 pm to 12:54 pm.
  • 428-021 12:54 PM · 40 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:54 pm and 4:58 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 038-025, April 14, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-025 (accessed October 5, 2026).