Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 38 › Conversation 038-023

Nixon, Ehrlichman & Dean on Watergate investigation

Saturday, April 14, 1973 · 10:50 AM–11:30 AM ET · White House Telephone · 33 sec

ParticipantsEhrlichman, John D.; Dean, John W., III; Nixon, Richard M. (President)Conversation038-023 on Tape 38StartSaturday, April 14, 1973 at 10:50 AMEndSaturday, April 14, 1973 at 11:30 AMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 038-023 ↗

John W. Dean III contacted John D. Ehrlichman to signal his availability for a private meeting to discuss emerging developments related to the Watergate investigation. Dean indicated he had additional information, described as 'more brooding,' that he wanted to relay to Ehrlichman for internal consideration. The two agreed to defer the substantive discussion until they could meet in person away from Dean's current visitors.

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Hi, John Ehrlichman.
Hello, John Ehrlichman.
Did you call me?
Yeah, I just was calling to tell you I was in and if you wanted to chat this morning, I was available.
Okay.
Anything new?
Beyond our last conversation?
Just some more brooding and some things I think you might want to put in the computer.
Can you give them to me now?
I've got some folks over here now.
Okay.
I'll see you in a little while then.

On April 14, 1973, John D. Ehrlichman, John W. Dean, III, and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 10:50 am and 11:30 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-023 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 38-23

Date: April 14, 1973
Time: Unknown between 10:50 am and 11:30 am
Location: White House Telephone

John D. Ehrlichman talked with John W. Dean, III.

[See also Conversation No. 428-19D]

     Dean’s call to Ehrlichman

     New developments

     Dean’s meeting with Ehrlichman

The President can be heard in the background, conferring with an unknown person.

[Begin conferral]

     Charles W. Colson

[End conferral]
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
  • 428-019 8:53 AM · 3 hr 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, Elliot L. Richardson, Stephen B. Bull, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, John W. Dean, III, Henry A. Kissinger, and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 8:53 am to 12:30 pm.
  • 038-019 8:54 AM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Elliot L. Richardson talked on the telephone from 8:54 am to 8:56 am.
  • 038-020 9:00 AM · 11 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 9:00 am and 10:49 am.
  • 038-021 10:49 AM · 21 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone from 10:49 am to 10:50 am.
  • 038-022 10:50 AM · 21 sec — John D. Ehrlichman and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 10:50 am and 11:30 am.
  • 038-024 10:50 AM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and unknown person(s) talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 10:50 am and 11:33 am.
  • 038-025 11:33 AM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and unknown person(s) talked on the telephone from 11:33 am to 11:34 am.
  • 038-026 12:30 PM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 12:30 pm and 12:53 pm.

Conversation 038-023, April 14, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-023 (accessed October 12, 2026).