Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 42 › Conversation 042-030

Nixon, Shultz & Ehrlichman on North American Rockwell and Economic statistics

Tuesday, April 13, 1971 · 3:04 PM–3:38 PM ET · White House Telephone · 52 sec

ParticipantsShultz, George P.; White House operator; Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.; Shiskin, JuliusConversation042-030 on Tape 42 (tape position 00:30:06–00:31:25)StartTuesday, April 13, 1971 at 3:04 PMEndTuesday, April 13, 1971 at 3:38 PMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 042-030 ↗

AI Summary

George P. Shultz, acting on behalf of President Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman, contacts Julius Shiskin to secure urgent statistical data regarding North American Rockwell’s operations in California. The discussion centers on the immediate retrieval of specific economic or industrial figures required for a briefing for the President. Shiskin agrees to expedite the request and provide the information to the White House within the hour.

  • North American Rockwell
  • Economic statistics
  • Industrial data
  • George P. Shultz
  • Executive briefing

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This is Mr. Schultz speaking.
May I speak to him, please?
The other one is North American Rockwell operating through some city here.
Hello?
Julie.
You don't have that number yet, do you?
You need it urgently, right?
Obviously.
Well, yeah, I would like to report it in to the bosses.
All right.
They said they'd let me know within 30 to 60 minutes when I called you before.
But I'll go right back to them on that.
All right.
You can have the White House operator call me on extension 504.
That's in the President's office.
Okay.
Okay, fine.
Okay, I'll do that.

NARA Description

On April 13, 1971, George P. Shultz, White House operator, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, and Julius Shiskin talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 3:04 pm and 3:38 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 042-030 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 42-30

Date: April 13, 1971
Time: Unknown between 3:04 pm and 3:38 pm
Location: White House Telephone

George P. Shultz talked with the White House operator; the President and John D. Ehrlichman
can be heard in the background.

     Call to Julius Shiskin

The operator placed the call on hold at an unknown time.

     Season

     Atomic energy
         -California
         -North American Rockwell

[Shultz talked with Shiskin at an unknown time between 3:04 pm and 3:38 pm]

[See Conversation No. 42-30A]

     Statistics for President
           -Shultz's previous conversation with Shiskin
                  -Return call

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 042-030, April 13, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/042-030 (accessed October 1, 2026).