Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 213 › Conversation 213-011

Nixon phone call with Eisenhower on Camp David and Personal affairs

Saturday, September 23, 1972 · 5:59 PM–11:00 PM ET · Camp David Hard Wire · 13 sec

ParticipantsEisenhower, Julie Nixon; Nixon, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan)Conversation213-011 on Tape 213StartSaturday, September 23, 1972 at 5:59 PMEndSaturday, September 23, 1972 at 11:00 PMRecording deviceCamp David Hard WireSourceNixon Library record for 213-011 ↗

Julie Nixon Eisenhower and First Lady Pat Nixon met privately at the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David to discuss personal matters. The conversation was captured by the Hard Wire taping system during a family retreat. As the recording consists entirely of withdrawn personal material, no policy, political, or administrative decisions were documented in the public record.

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On September 23, 1972, Julie Nixon Eisenhower and Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 5:59 pm and 11:00 pm. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 213-011 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 213-11

Date: September 23, 1972
Time: Unknown between 5:59 pm and 11:00 pm
Location: Camp David Hard Wire

Julie Nixon Eisenhower met with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon.

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 6m 6s      ]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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Julie Nixon Eisenhower and Mrs. Nixon left at an unknown time before 11:00 pm.
  • 154-003 4:50 PM · 12 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger talked on the telephone at Camp David from 4:50 pm to 5:10 pm.
  • 213-003 4:50 PM · 15 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at 4:50 pm.
  • 154-004 5:10 PM · 14 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 5:10 pm and 5:32 pm.
  • 213-007 5:10 PM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Julie Nixon Eisenhower met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 5:10 pm and 5:32 pm.
  • 213-008 5:10 PM · 9 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Camp David operator met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 5:10 pm and 5:32 pm.
  • 213-009 5:10 PM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David at an unknown time between 5:10 pm and 5:32 pm.
  • 154-005 5:32 PM · 6 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson talked on the telephone at Camp David from 5:32 pm to 5:59 pm.
  • 213-010 5:32 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 5:32 pm to 5:59 pm.

Conversation 213-011, September 23, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/213-011 (accessed October 12, 2026).