Nixon & Haldeman on Watergate break-in and E. Howard Hunt

10:47Hi.
10:47Hi.
10:48We can't do business before this weekend.
10:58Yeah.
10:58Beats us.
11:00Beats us today.
11:07Or should we get today?
11:09Yeah.
11:20Yeah, he writes so much better.
11:29He's a better talker.
11:33It was so cautious that it was just
11:44You know, nobody ever came away and said, blah, you know.
11:46First time he says, we've got bad news today.
11:49We've got good news today.
11:50And as bad news as he tells you what we're going to do about it, you've got to get further on that Mitchell operation.
12:01You know, that was stupid.
12:10I don't think he did.
12:11I think Elizabeth was surprised.
12:13That's right.
12:14I don't think he did.
12:15I also think that's the reason I think he's here.
12:18He's got that good attitude.
12:19He's got these guys, apparently, pretty competent, a bunch of people, and they've been doing other things.
12:29They've been doing other things.
12:32They've been doing other things.
12:38And they've been doing this for a while.
12:40They have a cell phone in there.
12:46And it's not great.
12:48Well, they have a three-channel transmitter, and there are two of the channels going out.
12:52This is a walk-by something, and it's pretty early.
12:55Get those untangled and get pictures of the stuff that's inside.
13:02That's, I've talked to them since this, they have filed a suit.
13:08Directly sued the committee for reallocating after voting in the national committee for $1,000,000.
13:24$100,000 damages and $900,000.
13:37I don't know what the law means.
13:42I mean, I don't know how long it takes.
13:47It means that they could, that's the kind of thing they, once they file and the judge orders, you know, accepts the thing and starts the suit going on.
13:58We saw it a couple of months ago.
14:00There's technical delays in the police
14:10There is a tie between that one guy and him.
14:37I had a day off, so it wasn't even a big problem.
14:57Get out of there.
14:58It's fortunate, right?
14:59It's fortunate in a way, a bizarre story.
15:00Yeah.
15:01What do you think, sir?
15:02The bizarreness almost helps to discredit it.
15:04This person looks like he doesn't know what's going on.
15:06He doesn't know what's going on.
15:07Yeah.
15:26No, it's not a permanent, it's not a regular monthly, it can't be, but he had a regular monthly fee at the National Committee, also a purpose-intensive guard duty at the National Committee.
15:39Apparently, he set up, installed some television, closed circuit monitoring stuff, and they have six guards, which I'm super impressed.
15:55I don't know.
16:00Well, McCord, I guess I was going to say, McCord, I guess we'll say that he was working with humans who wanted to put this in prison for their own political reasons.
16:15McCord?
16:22disappear, or in the process of disappearing.
16:26I'm going to let him disappear if you want me to please.
16:30I'm going to plan for this day all along, and the whole process that I want him to disappear until I'm left with nothing in the way.
16:40And, uh, yeah.
16:41And that, at least, the original thought was that that was good, that the bloodline disappeared.
16:47But it may be caused by him on the basis of his ties to the human sea.
16:50He was
16:53In the Bay of Pigs thing, and it's one of the human partners, the guy with the American name, was his deputy.
17:00In the Bay of Pigs operation.
17:05And so they're kind of trying to tie it to the national business.
17:11But we are.
17:15Yeah.
17:16Yeah, the original thing.
17:18The original story is the same.
17:19You can see that they based it pretty much that way.
17:20Now, of course, they're kind of covering these guys too.
17:21Colson, the white ass, they're gone.
17:22And he's gone.
17:23It's strange that Colson doesn't run out.
17:24I mean, he's going home.
17:25And so, of course, the same time, he wasn't insulting Colson in the back.
17:27You know, he killed him.
17:48It's not what the nature of this consultancy.
17:52Instead of this, you know, basically, you know, getting out of all of this.
17:58You know, what he did to that.
18:01At least a lot of that's kind of amazing.
18:04Based on his personal experience with his friends.
18:08You know, that's good for him.
18:27I don't think he, I think we all knew that there were some intelligence, you know, some activities.
18:44We'll get more.
18:46I just want to report more on some info here and there.
18:52Uh, I don't think, I don't think Charlie was specifically hit, you know.
18:55This pilot was on the way away with some people, and, uh, he, he did, uh, on the second guess, and, uh, we're not sure.
19:12He seems to have made all the money himself, but he doesn't give us any of his money.
19:14He has this band of students here.
19:16They're not detailed, you know, exactly what was going on.
19:20They both are on the White Sox country.
19:22They sweep this office in Europe, you know, over on this bus.
19:23And right now, they're going to sweep all the rest of our, all the people, every TV, bus line.
19:42You know, it's very, very tight.
19:43And it's everything that they call it.
19:45You know, here on the ground, you know, you should be able to push that up.
20:05It should be, because over there, that's the reason that I need that patient to go forward.
20:10There's my waters.
20:11That's a real help.
20:13They put it there, and they got it in the cabin room.
20:15The cabin room water zone.
20:17It's apparently okay.
20:17It is pretty good.
20:18It's overlapped, but sometimes they say it's extremely good.
20:21I haven't listened to it.
20:22Okay.
20:35We're just kept, they're locked, they're, nobody monitors those tapes.
20:43We're obviously, and they are kept on tape, stacked up and mocked up and, uh, super secure.
20:51There are only, um, three people that live in here.
20:55That's what we can do, we don't touch them.
20:58I've been trying to think about that, and I want to come to those tapes and see if we're following those, and, um,
21:04Yeah, but there's nothing...
21:07I feel like this is a nightmare.
21:09When you think about it, you think it just can't be true.
21:12Something like this just doesn't happen.
21:16I agree with you.
21:18That is going on.
21:19We're going to have to handle it.
21:23We're going to have to work it out.
21:28We're going to have to work it out.
21:31He has to have... Fortunately, John has a...
21:34several steps you know what he had he hasn't been specific but now it's unfortunate because if he had it probably wouldn't happen
22:26Seriously, I think he probably called Mitchell and said, I've got to get somebody to check things out and be sure we're secure.
22:34Anyway, I called him and said, get this guy over here and check your premises out.
22:41I saw him.
22:42It was true.
22:43It was true.
22:46It was true.
22:47It was true.
22:48It was true.
23:03I'm starting to get all the circumstantial stuff.
23:08Maybe it's better not to sit in the meantime.
23:14Maybe it's better just to plead guilty.
23:19We have to respond.
23:22The Democrats would love to hear you say we heard it in court because
23:30So we figured it was safe for a guy and for us to use it.
23:37Well, they've gotten pretty killed, you know, getting stuck in the oil traps.
23:40And we went in there to get this because we're scared to death that this crazy man's going to become president and sell the U.S. out to the companies.
23:49Very nice casualty.
23:55We're going to be conservative.
23:57The adventure is about to fall off.
23:59I did not have everybody else in the thing.
24:02It was a good idea.
24:05I mean, I wanted to just follow along.
24:07Where is he?
24:08I did a bit of fishing involved in that side of the thing.
24:12I was in a DM thing.
24:13Oh, yeah.
24:14Come in.
24:23I've seen hundreds.
24:24They died fighting when they came through when they came to claim the hunt.
24:26Hunt and Supreme Enforcement.
24:27How was he working?
24:28He was across the street in the Howard Johnson Hotel.
24:29A direct line of sight for him.
24:54across the street, and that was the only place they had the receiving equipment for the boats.
25:02But it's hard to work for a bunch of people.
25:06I don't know.
25:08I don't know.
25:09I don't know if that's something I haven't gotten answered, is how apparently McCord had not working with him, or had McCord working with him, and with these people.
25:19So they're all tied together.
25:22When he ran the Bay of Things then, he was working with this guy Parker, one of the Cubans, who was arrested.
25:35How did he, how does the press know?
25:36They don't.
25:36Oh, Daniel Hudson, Daniel Hudson, because they found his name in the address book, and two of the Cubans, Parker's book and some, one of the other guy's books.
25:45He's identified as White House.
25:48And,
25:49Also because one of the Cubans had a check from Hunt.
25:52This article says it was a check for $6.90 or something like that, which Hunt had given to this Cuban to take back to Miami with a mail that was the biggest country club bill.
26:06And one of his identities is in a Cuban base, I mean a Miami base, and he uses Hunt, yeah,
26:16That's probably something to be non-resident-induced.
26:18They had that checked, so that was their time.
26:23Well, in a sense, if people come on, the fact of the matter is, Paul's the cure.
26:27The court has called him the cure.
26:30He appears to be the cure.
26:34I don't know.
26:35I don't know.
26:40I don't know.
27:13I don't know why I did that.
27:14Why aren't there any?
27:15I don't know.
27:15We'll be looking at the latest question.
27:17Oh, here it is.
27:17I'm going to change it.
27:18I don't know.
27:18I don't know.
27:45But it seems to me they're the toughest thing they've got for us in the money business, the deposition business.
27:52And it seems to me he's a... Calabano's the smartest guy they've got.
27:54Right, right.
27:55Yeah.
27:56See what comes out of there.
28:09Yes, we did.
28:09Yes, we were riding yesterday in the primary season.
28:11And we had a victory.
29:06I think it's the other way on this one.
29:08If close to knew about it, it was not at all, and I'm sure, you know, Johnson's, because this was, I don't know, a slight idea.
29:12I didn't either.
29:13Out of there, I mean, we were getting weeks and months of things here and there, but I didn't know.
29:30And the diet committee wasn't worried about it as much, except for this financial thing.
29:33They thought they had something going on there.
29:35Yeah.
29:38But I asked that question.
29:43They made all that trouble.
29:44Why in the world would we think the Democratic National Committee did it?
29:48That's a truthful source.
30:15They didn't say they were going to divide the English thing, but they didn't.
30:20At the time, it's funny, they didn't have a suit, so they didn't know what they were up against.
30:24There was the possibility of a counter-attack.
30:27I've got this to run by you.
30:28You think that...
30:38If we decided to go in that direction, then the three networks would work before the policy, but rather than doing that, raising our bases, it would be, I mean, I can still handle the domestic issues well, but the way to just say to the people that, you know,
31:09And they don't help us.
31:09They always make it more to those our customers, rather than to the other customers.
31:11True.
31:11Very good.
31:37What is your view as to how we ought to handle the announcement of the announcement of the announcement of the announcement of the announcement of the announcement of the announcement of the announcement of the announcement of the announcement
32:06Henry's gone, and we'll wait to see about various things.
32:10We'll have a truth announcement, that's for sure.
32:15Yeah.
32:15Which I would urge you to do on Wednesday, do the press conference on Thursday.
32:20You know, get two stories out of it, first of all, and also get the, don't let the, hit the truth announcement before the speculation on it builds up to the point where the press conference, the spec conference, where the counter is.
32:32I agree.
32:34So I'd say that you're going to have the press conference next week, and then probably wait until Wednesday to announce the press conference, and also Wednesday announce me, and announce the group, and then we're going to announce the press conference tomorrow evening.
32:47We are going to make some cuts, trips to such and such, and we're going to meet the press tomorrow night.
32:56We're going to do certain things on it.
33:04Well, I'm not so sure.
33:05I would think it would.
33:06On the other hand, there aren't any grantees really there now.
33:09Not really.
33:11Not to speak of.
33:12But nobody knows it.
33:13I think the announcement is so bad.
33:15Well, people know it.
33:16But, you know, you've got to give this grantees a chance to do it.
33:20He's sure as hell not sure he's not going to.
33:23Even if there aren't any there now, he's probably not sure.
33:26And that's more important.
33:30And it's the end of the draft.
33:32Thank you.
33:34That's...
33:34The inequity of the draft is now still a...
33:36It's going to continue to be a problem.
33:37It hasn't gotten even a bit of sort of moral inequity.
33:40I just think maybe we could, uh...
33:42I don't know.
33:42I don't know.
33:43I don't know.
33:43I don't know.
33:44I don't know.
33:44I don't know.
34:03and they might have, at times, they may have had them, but we know now that they will.
34:07Because, you know, we don't try to let them go out and let us in at any time.
34:09We just want them to get out and go away.
34:11We just want them to get out.
34:12That's the point.
34:33And the other may, may sort of support the in the lane better than just a customer, as a customer.
35:00And I thought where that was the issue, whether we can avoid it or not.
35:03I don't know.
35:04I don't know.
35:05I don't know.
35:05I don't know.
35:06I don't know.
35:06I don't know.
35:07I don't know.
35:07I don't know.
35:08I don't know.
35:09I don't know.
35:09I don't know.
35:10I don't know.
35:11I don't know.
35:35and he is hot for it, regardless if he uses a cool thing or a 3-on-1 kind of thing that's much more cool.
35:38And then, you know, we've had many people who have spoken to us and wanted to say something and tell us anything.
35:40And their reaction to the story.
36:05If you're doing a press conference now instead of the three-on-ones, that it sets you, it resumes a press conference format so that you can do one or more later.
36:17It would be harder to do if you don't do one now.
36:21It would be harder to do one now than to have you do one then.
36:23You would not agree to it.
36:25No.
36:25You can only do one if you want to do the next one.
36:28Now you can do two.
36:31If you want to prepare for it, do another one.
36:35for the recovery and due to the week after the demo drafts, he has a 22nd person.
36:38And you can do another one.
36:39And you have to put your suit in clear of shade.
36:40And there you go.
36:41Three weeks.
36:41And while you're right in the middle of the platform,
37:05Oh, no, we've got here a week before.
37:06We could do on the 10th of August.
37:08Before the basic activity starts.
37:09I think it is.
37:10Unless we have something to do with Vietnam.
37:36There's a, if it stays presidential, it covers a range of presidential candidates.
37:38It covers a range of what's going on.
37:38There's still a happier candidate.
37:39There's still a, uh, I don't know.
37:40I don't know about that.
37:41I don't know what the point of it is.
37:42We may have to, uh, increase the amount of candidates.
37:43There's a lot of candidates.
37:43There's two candidates.
38:06The force would never get together to do that.
38:08Yeah, that's right.
38:09Each one of them might do it at a time.
38:13I'm sure it would be the other way around.
38:18Well, I would know that, but I'm the second time.
38:20I don't know why you would do that at all.
38:22I agree.
38:22You're still much better off with your depressed patterns, which forces all three members, even if they have to give equal time, because they won't all three get together on equal time.
38:37for the other guy.
38:38I would do all three networks and not actually look for questions.
38:41I wouldn't.
38:42I would say it's part of the interest of the president.
38:45The interest of the president is any part of it.
38:47I don't intend to abuse the office by giving you the campaign, but I don't actually have questions on the job.
38:54I don't have questions on the facility.
38:58I don't have questions on the company.
39:03Okay.
39:03I don't want to talk too much.
41:11What about the security factor, you know?
41:15Yeah, right.
41:17I think the general meaning seems to be that you have some, but not a lot.
41:22You have a thing in the astrodome.
41:24You have an able or capable ability for something.
41:34But you don't have to figure that something might be wrong.
41:59It's going to be a problem.
42:02You have to figure, you see that on the security thing, and that's where most of them never saw it.
42:14Unless he, unless he, you know, if he starts complaining, I'm switching names, and then he could be.
42:25You're not going to, you don't scare anybody.
42:30He's just the type that stirs up, or could become the type that stirs up emotions.
42:42I mean, I tried to pull some Kennedy types up.
42:46Bobby Kennedy, yeah.
42:48Yeah.
43:16The security is a hell of a problem.
43:18It's going to, even if it's not a real problem, it's going to be a problem to, you know, psychologically to a lot of people.
43:26They're not going to want to see our president have, well, Graham is an example of it, isn't he?
43:33Yeah.
43:34But it is just going to be a problem to a lot of people.
43:37A lot of people on your side are just...
43:41We're playing square middle Americans.

Nixon & Haldeman on Watergate break-in and E. Howard Hunt

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