Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 353 › Conversation 353-021

Nixon & Ehrlichman on Memorandum for the file

Thursday, August 3, 1972 · 4:15 PM–4:45 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 1 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan); Ehrlichman, John D.Conversation353-021 on Tape 353StartThursday, August 3, 1972 at 4:15 PMEndThursday, August 3, 1972 at 4:45 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 353-021 ↗

President Nixon held brief discussions with First Lady Pat Nixon and aide John D. Ehrlichman while working from the Old Executive Office Building. The dialogue primarily concerned scheduling logistics for the remainder of the day, specifically coordinating the timing of the President's upcoming commitments. Nixon subsequently dictated a memorandum for the file to document his activities.

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Yeah.
You're meeting a COD, huh?
Yeah.
Yeah.
What time did you finish your next class?
Well, well, why don't you stay about five o'clock?
I'll take care of you.
I'll be through about five.
I'll give you time to finish your meeting.
Bye.

On August 3, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon, and John D. Ehrlichman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 4:15 pm and 4:45 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 353-021 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 353-21

Date: August 3, 1972
Time: Unknown between 4:15 pm and 4:45 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President dictated a memorandum for the file.

       Introduction

The President talked with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon between 4:30 pm and 4:33 pm.

[Conversation No. 353-21A]

[See Conversation No. 29-7; one item has been withdrawn]

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 6m 10s     ]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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John D. Ehrlichman talked with the President between 4:44 pm and 4:45 pm.

[Conversation No. 353-21B]

[See Conversation No. 29-8]

[End of telephone conversation]

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 7m 6s      ]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2

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  • 029-006 4:15 PM · 7 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 4:15 pm and 4:30 pm.
  • 353-019 4:15 PM · 14 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 4:15 pm and 4:30 pm.
  • 353-020 4:15 PM · 7 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 4:15 pm and 4:30 pm.
  • 029-007 4:30 PM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon talked on the telephone from 4:30 pm to 4:33 pm.
  • 029-008 4:44 PM · 22 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman talked on the telephone from 4:44 pm to 4:45 pm.
  • 029-009 4:45 PM · 8 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 4:45 pm and 4:57 pm.
  • 353-022 4:45 PM · 6 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 4:45 pm and 4:47 pm.
  • 029-010 4:57 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and John C. Stennis talked on the telephone from 4:57 pm to 4:59 pm.

Conversation 353-021, August 3, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/353-021 (accessed October 1, 2026).