Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 442 › Conversation 442-032
Nixon alone in his EOB office on Watergate scandal and John W. Dean III
Monday, June 4, 1973 · 2:50 PM–5:00 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 11 min
AI Summary
President Nixon spent this time reviewing and playing back recordings of his earlier meetings with John W. Dean, III, as part of his ongoing efforts to manage the fallout from the Watergate scandal. The session served as a private evaluation of past statements and evidence, reflecting the President's preoccupation with how his former staff members were navigating their cooperation with authorities. Nixon focused on the implications of these recorded conversations for his legal and political standing, carefully weighing how to frame his past actions and handle the mounting pressure from witnesses.
- Watergate scandal
- John W. Dean III
- White House Tapes
- Executive privilege
- Witness cooperation
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NARA Description
On June 4, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 2:50 pm and 5:00 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 442-032 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 442-032 Date: June 4, 1973 Time: Unknown between 2:50 pm and 5:00 pm Location: Executive Office Building The President played a recording of a portion of a meeting with John W. Dean, III. [See Conversation 869-013] The President stopped the recording at an unknown time before 5:00 pm.
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Alright.
Alright.
Alright.
Alright.
He says it's his policy that anyone who cooperates always gets his money.
He turns the door to the record company and says there's a question he's looking to make of his paper form.
The second he gives is his first, and finally he told me the truth.
He is his second date with him, as tight as I was to get with that face on.
Finally, none of the more he didn't go to sleep.
There's a reason why I want to call on him to help me find it.
As well as the experience with cooperating right down the line at this point.
Today when he shows up, he's on the line.
He'll talk about, you know, he's going to increase my rights, and then he'll be coming through.
But we're going to try, we're going to have nothing.
So...
We'll meet for public consumption.
Thank you for the public for wanting to know how this is people.
And this is your story on today.
Thank you.
Not me, but you put your mind in front of the mask.
And just say, you know, I know this will be good for us.
That's right.
I'm very excited to meet you.
I talked to him on, I guess this was on Friday.
He said, I'm excited to meet you.
I know this will be good for us.
That's right.
I'm trying to get all the people.
I need to talk to someone.
I have to do that.
He said he's going well right now.
They have this part and five and ten and none.
They don't find it for a long period.
They think until the third period they're going to be able to knock it out on the board.
That will go great.
However, we gave an interview this morning with WPOP, local station out here in Plains.
and he would report to the request of time that I appear before they meet with Ray and if they should hang him out of the way.
The aim and the analogy of planning a solicitation was to make sure that those copies of services that had been written in time for the client experience and within a major team might be the copies for Ray.
But of course, the things that we're eating about being smart, we'll get all of them to decorate.
We'll get all of them.
It's all just supposed to be.
Well, you know, it's really the way things are.
Sometimes, I get told the other day, okay, what was your dream last night?
I didn't get there early.
I trust the one thing we expect to react to in that station is just emergency.
If we have never treated the subject of former White House staff who have departed, who still enjoy the privilege, for those times when they were here, I can see how to fire this summer, and we ought to be accountable on that point.
I can see how to ask Trump to be one more character.
I can see what that situation is.
I think there are a lot of statements that go from this to this one.
I'm bored.
I ain't capable of doing this.
I'd like to say that it is good to be a member of the FBI, and I will be part of the community.
Thank you.
Well, there was an incident that happened in the county.
That's correct.
There was an incident that happened in the county.
That's correct.
There was an incident that happened in the county.
And first she wanted to talk to me.
She wanted to talk to me about her father's hearsay for statements for her own expressions.
She gave my hand to her.
When I got back to her, I said, you know, this is so cute.
And one of these days I was all happy and I said, you know, do you think it's all right outside?
Why don't you take a little picture of it as well?
I think we're right in the long run.
I mean, today we've got relations with one another today, and they're continued, you know, both on Dan and for everybody else, except for Patrick.
And I think we're leading up to a good time.
I mean, he's got a great story.
He's got a great story.
He's got a great story.
Thank you everybody.
Well, I didn't hide it.
I was out in the area, so I got this cat.
I said to her, I've got to be very candid with you.
I said, there's three of you.
There's a lot of people over here.
And I think she's not going to stand by me.
Because now I know that I've been very well prepared.
And she's been all along.
And that's what I've seen over the days.
And now I have responses any way forward.
And I'll get back to her.
Yes, I've been to work, and so as we reported to you before on that, some of the past activities, I had a long stretch of development, so I'm going to do a little random typewriter, and I did it for Mike, so I'm going to, you know, I'm going to do something, and I'm not sure about it yet.
I said, I want everything to know that I've been here the whole time.
He said, remember when John Andrews was having a school deal with the USIA?
He said, I'm sorry, I had the wrong school deal.
He said, it doesn't go over.
He said, I don't know why we're doing this.
And it was just an awful time, but it started to change.
And then he said, he had a couple of examples of this kind of thing.
I don't know why that's the goal.
Well, you know, he's probably very, very good at that game.
You know, he was good at that game.
You know, he's probably good at that game.
You know, he's probably good at that game.
You know, he's probably good at that game.
You know, he's probably good at that game.
You know, he's probably good at that game.
You know, he's probably good at that game.
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You know, he's probably good at that game.
You know, he's probably good at that game.
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You know, he's probably good at that game.
You know, he's probably good at that game.
You know, he's probably good at that game.
You know, he's probably good at that game.
You know, he's probably good at that game.
You
Again, I just look at it as if they need to monitor when it becomes appropriate for you to return the call.
Also, the ball is in that court.
You get the demo.
You said, John, I will.
And I said, well, I have a lot of action to do.
And I heard that you had a problem.
I said, yeah, there's a problem.
So they're going to need to keep in mind how they do that.
They're not going to get back to what it was on the trip yesterday.
But that doesn't mean that these variables exist at the top 10 by 9.
So, you know, it's very early.
I mean, of course, when you are in the security service, you want any witnesses to go up or go up the stairs.
Now, I've got some speed readings that are being done in this area again to tell you how effective the decimator can be.
If one of those does not get what you're saying, or if there's, I don't know, I think it's how many individuals, and that's one thing you can't do.
You know what they say, whatever you got to talk to them about.
I know right now, it just sounds like a lot.
I've worked with three colleagues, they're not having a break.
So, here you go.
It's a very good way that I'm able to use the portal to work with you guys.
Actually, it's a long way, but because it's right here, it's a perfect place for me to develop a council that has a double privilege in the sense that we can find a way to get all these words back there.
How it becomes very easy, I think, is by all the things that you have to do with it.
So, you know, we have people who are waiting to have people
Okay, your answer was, I think it was great, like, how could you even ask this question, so it was very, I mean, and then while I'm talking, what's your answer, was it hypothetical, and I'm talking to you as a part of it, but it's no way that this part of it is a crime, so I don't think you're right.
I don't think you're right.
I don't think you're right.
I don't think you're right.
I don't think you're right.
I don't know.
I don't know.
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That's it.
I'm here.
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Cite this conversation
Conversation 442-032, June 4, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/442-032 (accessed November 10, 2026).