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Conversation 495-027

TapeTape 495StartFriday, May 7, 1971 at 5:53 PMEndFriday, May 7, 1971 at 6:17 PMTape start time04:48:04Tape end time05:03:29ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Recording deviceOval Office
AI Summary

President Nixon and H. R. Haldeman met to discuss various personnel matters, upcoming scheduling, and economic policy strategies. The conversation focused on the administration's support for Lockheed despite internal cabinet dissent and general economic stabilization efforts. Additionally, they reviewed logistical plans for upcoming public relations events, including meetings with local officials and Business Council members.

Lockheed CorporationEconomic policyPresidential schedulingRevenue sharingPersonnel managementPublic relations
AudioNARA Description

On May 7, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 5:53 pm to 6:17 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 495-027 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 495-27

Date: May 7, 1971
Time: 5:53 pm - 6:17 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     President's schedule

     David Packard
          -President's conversation with John B. Connally
          -Conversation with Connally
                -Packard's tenure
                -Packard's position on Lockheed
                -Packard's tenure
                -Lockheed's importance
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     -Schedule
     -Packard's future
           -Connally
           -President
     -Position on Lockheed
           -Connally
     -Mexico
                                                               Conv. No. 495-27 (cont.)
Connally
    -Meeting with President, May 8, 1971
    -May 7, 1971 schedule
    -European trip
    -Camp David
         -President's schedule
    -Idanell (Brill) (“Nellie”) Connally

President's schedule
     -Jerry V. Wilson meeting, May 8, 1971
            -Other attendees
                 -Military representatives
            -Photo arrangements
                 -Wilson, Walter E. Washington, and military men
            -Mayor Washington
                 -Role in Washington, D.C. demonstrations
                 -Value of photo with President
            -Value of photo of President and Wilson
            -Photo arrangements
                 -Mayor Washington

Business Council meeting
     -[Name unintelligible]
     -Peter M. Flanigan
     -Number of government officials present
     -John D. Ehrlichman
     -Peter G. Peterson
     -Connally
Connally
     -Government reorganization briefing
     -Usefulness as spokesman
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Personal-Returnable]
[Duration: 1m 20s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2                                        Conv. No. 495-27 (cont.)

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    Supersonic Transport [SST]
         -Possible calls by Warren G. (“Maggie”) Magnuson to House members
         -Lockheed
              -An unknown man
              -Jobs in California

    Louis B. Nunn
         -Possible appointment as Secretary of Agriculture
         -Background


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[Personal-Returnable]
[Duration: 27s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3

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    Spiro T. Agnew
         -Performance as Vice President
               -Staff
         -Compared with Connally

    William P. Rogers
         -Mitchell's view
         -Situation
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     Revenue sharing
         -Connally
         -George P. Shultz and Ehrlichman

     President's schedule
          -Meeting with Wilson, May 8, 1971
                 -Time                                              Conv. No. 495-27 (cont.)
          -Patrick J. Buchanan-Shelley A. Scarney wedding, May 8, 1971
                 -Time
          -Press events
                 -White House Correspondents event
                 -White House Photographers Association
                 -[Group name unintelligible]
                 -Women's press
                 -National Press Club
                 -Lyndon B. Johnson[?]
                 -Ribbon cuttings

     Economy
         -Retail sales
              -Paul W. McCracken's report
         -Possible statement by President
              -Economic statistics

     Charles S. Rhyne's book on international law
          -Distribution[?]

Haldeman left at 6:17 pm.
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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I talked to Connolly and he said he'd talk to you.
And Connie made it very clear that he's a very upset man.
I told him.
He said he paced around the room all the time when I was there.
Or he was at Conley's office.
He came in and sat down.
He sat for a few minutes.
He said he was twisting his hands while he was doing that.
And then he got up and started pacing around the room.
He said, I've done it.
The only way I could talk to him was to get out of pace with him.
He said, I was walking past what I was supposed to do.
And he said, you might have to publicly oppose this thing.
And Conley said, you can't do that.
He told me that
and decided this way that you support the decision.
And I said, well, I've changed my mind.
And if I do it, I'll just have to resign.
Connie said, well, that's right.
If you do it, you would have to resign.
But you shouldn't do that.
This isn't the time to do that.
There was a theory of bailing out people who have failed and mismanaged their operations.
And Connie said, I agree.
It's wrong.
I agree with your principle, too.
I don't think we should either.
But this is a special situation.
We've got to do it to stabilize the economy, save the jobs, avoid the circus book.
At the end of this, the accountant probably tells you to put his arm around the accountant so that I have no problems with you and that I'm not going to do anything to hurt you, so don't worry about it.
I'm going to talk to you later.
I won't be with you for a while.
And he walked out.
He definitely has a feeling that it's
Passed up for now.
Nothing was mentioned about the trip.
Packer leaves Monday night.
Under 10 days, I believe it is.
I think that's perspective when he gets away.
That's, he, Connie has a very strong feeling that Packer will not do anything without coming in and saying something first.
Yeah, well, well, well, I'm sure he is.
He is.
He's got to lose.
He thinks he's got another shot at it before anything happens, and that you'll have a shot at it before anything happens.
He knows.
And he doesn't anymore, or he does at this point.
He did carry it specifically with you, and he should start with the president.
He said, no, he shouldn't.
Well, don't worry about that.
Stick around a little while so you can fix it.
Gloriator.
Well, he knows better than anybody else, I think.
Far better than most people.
I understand colleagues coming in in the morning.
Sheriff, I'm here.
He's here at the Prison Council.
No, sir, he's in, he's at home.
He just took the day off.
Open his lock.
I got him tomorrow up here.
I'm sure he can be if you want him tomorrow.
I don't know where he is, but he's...
I did not take him to Europe.
He just took the day off.
I said, Barry, because I had some time with Gene, why don't you go to Camp David?
They were thinking about it, but then said they didn't want to.
It's over now.
We're not going up the street.
Why else correspond?
He said, we've got other people going up.
I said, I should do.
And John, he's not going up the street.
Good idea.
Why doesn't he take it?
Get on the door for me.
It doesn't bother John, but I don't know.
His wife was standing there trying to talk to him.
Why, of course.
But he stated this earlier on, too.
He's a small person, I see.
He's a policeman, I see.
They all included, or he must include the military guys, too, and the police chief.
Right.
Right.
This is the team, and the fire chief is bringing the team in.
Hey, look.
Good pictures.
Put them over there.
Put the chief on my right, in the chair.
Put the mayor and the military guys on the couch, and put the mayor on the left, and the chief.
Or should I put the mayor on the left, and the chief on the chair?
Yeah, no, no, no.
The mayor in the chair.
Should I go down and derange the chief?
Listen to that.
We've got to have the mayor because we've got to have him.
He didn't do anything like that at all.
He didn't do any harm.
The picture of you and the mayor is a useless picture.
The picture of you and the chief is a hell of a picture.
No, I'll put the mayor out there.
Oh, we should do it as a cash report.
All right.
I said, I'm going to go down to the business council.
He said, my God, he said, I didn't...
The whole government's down there.
We've got a one-on-one down there.
Right?
If you're here to talk to planning about this, I don't want to, I get business accounts for sucking around them so much.
Part of this, I'll tell you how they do it.
Part of this is the reaction from last year when we didn't have enough coverage down there.
Remember, you probably barely could send it down at the last minute because we had no work to cover that.
We didn't have anybody to go over.
So this time they overreacted and
That's great.
But I do think that he is a man.
Anytime anybody from this office calls, he's going to come.
And I do not want him to call unless we really want him.
You know what I mean?
Don't.
He's never going to feel hurt if he's not invited to see me.
Do you think so?
Yeah.
And if I want to work with that horse to death, I also don't want him to.
Sure.
John, I just think there's two decisions that stand as much.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We've got a damn good opportunity to talk about that.
That hit me.
I'm curious about that.
hell of an opportunity to cash our chips now.
To move on all our big billionaires and say, this bill's coming in, we're letting the money in until now.
We didn't check some cash in before the regulation.
Otherwise, there just may not be any way to get the money in.
If it takes the time, then we ought to be able to stir some sums early.
Do you want me to assist you with that?
Hmm, I don't think that would be the best call.
Now, I'm going to ask them on Monday, what the hell is the possibility right now?
I don't know what to say right now.
I just bring them down and say, look, we're going to go and assist you and point your help to the members of the house.
Alright, when I raised this logic, then I indicated from the beginning that I also wanted everything done possible to save us, to save the people, to save the world.
He never said to me that he didn't think it ought to be saved.
You know what I mean?
He never hit it right on the head.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
He has done a good job of putting the screws on some of these people that have screwed up.
Your satisfaction if you put them out of business and don't have the capability and don't have the jobs.
What's going on on that part?
Because, uh, on the question, that must not be used.
It's just that we have no other name for it.
You're making a suggestion.
I figured I had your motion.
I'll do you none.
The politicians might come back, huh?
Do you mean... Hmm?
Ah.
You're trying to get it.
I'm trying to get it.
And the problem is... No.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
Right.
$50,000 is all the money that they make.
I told you on my question about it.
They may have forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever.
People that he just went to are poor.
I think we would feel better if he weren't on him.
They're just uncomfortable with him.
And frankly, I've been divided from his vice president.
I'm really concerned about, I think there is concern about why he's sitting there in the top spot and saying that's it.
And I think that's it.
I think he's very disturbed.
I think this is the people that he's
Got around it, and then we eradicated it.
That's how, you know.
And that is, we have a lot of capability and a lot of, I'm sure, basically in terms of drives to the job, but that hasn't changed.
And a lot of that is economy.
We're going to just have to see what happens.
Obviously, we just have to see how we can do anything about it.
Because, I don't know, it's got to be a way of something.
I'm in an unhealthy situation now.
It's so hard to work around, you know.
Before they have to leave that tribe, it's all going to be next year.
We're going to talk about it tomorrow.
I want to read our revenue sharing.
You know, I bet you it's false.
and early in the night, and they're not going to be here, and so I, let's just say, I'm not a mother, I'm a child, so I'm not trying to be here at all.
You know what I mean?
You can do that.
How do you, I just said, it's all on you, and I said, look, let me show you.
And tomorrow afternoon.
Yeah, there's no reason to.
I don't know all that stuff.
There's nothing to do with them on it.
They all wanted to do it.
They did it and they cut it to rhythms.
I think they do have to do it as you're doing it.
You have to do it as you're doing it.
You have to do it as you're doing it.
You have to do it as you're doing it.
Some claims from the Department of Commerce Bureau.
Sales of manufacturing wholesale and retail firms rose 1% in February and March.
Fourth monthly need since November.
Actualized retail is $1.8 million.
You can all say something later on.
I can feel that he's got a vote.
Or is he?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm sure she has cancer.
They're probably not her kids.
Yep.
Penny?
Good.
Good idea.
For those people, it means a lot.
You sure as fuck don't want to send...
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