On September 9, 1971, Stephen B. Bull, Ezra Solomon, Janet Lorraine Solomon, Catherine Solomon, Janet Solomon, Herbert Stein, Lorna Solomon, Judge Charles R. Richey, George P. Shultz and White House photographer, unknown person(s), Frank C. Carlucci, III, Jean Phyliss (Anthony) Carlucci, Karen Carlucci, Frank C. Carlucci, IV, Frank C. Carlucci, II, Donald H. Rumsfeld, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:34 pm and 3:56 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 568-006 of the White House Tapes.
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And.
Very pressing now.
How are you?
Good to see you.
Ladies and gentlemen, we will have, sorry, I'm getting a little solemn now.
That's all right.
You will place your left hand on the bottle.
Raise your right hand and repeat after me.
I have a problem.
I have a problem with you.
I'll make it clear.
I have a problem with you.
I will report it to the United States.
I have a problem with you.
I have a problem with the United States.
That I will bear through faith and allegiance to the flag.
That I will bear through faith and allegiance to the flag.
That I will bear through faith and allegiance to the flag.
That I will bear through faith and allegiance to the flag.
That I will bear through faith and allegiance to the flag.
That I will bear through faith and allegiance to the flag.
That I will bear through faith and allegiance to the flag.
That I will bear through faith and allegiance to the flag.
That I will bear through faith and allegiance to the flag.
That I will bear through faith and allegiance to the flag.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
and all the answers that we don't have and there are many that Dr. Solomon has.
Thank you.
Now, let's get a picture of your family over here.
Did you say you saw them?
Oh, it's George and Smyrna.
Uh-huh.
Get another one.
Uh-huh.
All right, let's go get ourselves, we'll get the balance.
Next.
Look out, Andy.
It's my wife.
Oh, it's fine.
That's good.
That's fine.
Very good.
And he always likes my stitches.
All right.
Now, let's see if you roll.
So, things you might want to know.
It's solid.
It's presidential complex, which we're aware he likes.
Here's a little pin for you.
Doesn't have that presidential seal.
You see it here on the floor?
There.
There it is.
Now, I want you to read it.
Oh.
Oh, wait a minute.
This is different.
He hasn't yet painted.
Oh, he has had practice.
And the bracelets are a little bit smaller than you see.
They're older, so you can see better.
I didn't want to say something fair.
And then, judge, you ought to have a fair job on the street.
I can spread a little bit of your hair every time, Mark.
You can show me your independence.
What the President may have forgotten is that when I first came to Washington, the day I got out of Washington was that he was that young man.
on the fifth floor of the old house on July 28th.
And I was on the fourth floor with Congressman Bolton, who was their legislative council.
And after all these years here, this great president of Montgomery and Judd has come back to do that.
Isn't that great?
State governor.
That was 47.
Yeah, 47.
And then we were back with you from Columbus, Ohio, when you were on the American copy here.
Ah, that's right.
Yes, I remember with some of the other houses.
We were talking about office procedures and day-to-day, but I remember we were just beginning to talk about it.
We were just beginning to get into phones.
I was on time to be there with John Spark out there.
That's right, on Columbus, I remember that day.
That was a long time ago.
That was five years old.
You were younger.
You were younger.
You were younger.
We endorsed that so you could have a copy of it, sir.
Oh, here's the pen I'm going to give you.
Just doesn't forget that one.
I have a box.
There.
Oh, you have a box to work for with the pen.
There you go.
There you are.
Yes, yes.
I'm trying to do the show.
I'm trying to do the show.
I'm trying to do the show.
But we're all together.
We go to the school.
And they were a very good boy.
It's experience, you know.
It's terrible when you say, you know, when they're going through it, trying to make new things, and you get in the way of the teachers and all the rest.
But you'll never reach it.
It'll be terrible.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, that's for sure.
That's where you live.
Oh, you live in Georgetown, that's right.
Do you like that?
Yeah, sure do.
Only if I was going to change you, this would be a big change.
I'll try to replicate that.
I'll say it then.
But, um, we're ready to go.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
President, this is my law clerk, Peter Dahl.
Well, how are you?
How are you?
Where did you, uh, did you all?
Oh, yes, yes, yes.
Well, that's, uh, my daughter is a matter of course.
There.
Are you a golfer?
No, I'm not.
No, I'm not.
No, I'm not.
No, I'm not.
No, I'm not.
Oh, you are.
Oh, that's right.
Where did you come from?
I don't think I'm from D.C.
I was raised in Maryland.
And I was raised in St. Peter's when she was three years old.
You went to the water park there, huh?
I think so.
I'm sure you went to the water park there.
I appreciate it, but I don't think anything has gone wrong.
Well, they would have sent you with one of them, but you probably didn't know.
Oh, is that right?
Really?
I'm so glad.
This is really great that I came back.
That's the end of the debate.
Thank you very much.
Oh, there he is.
There he is.
Now, let us know what people are supposed to do to commemorate you.
All right, let's go ahead.
Frank, come here.
I'll get you a sword in here.
All right, here it is.
Here's my prize.
Now, who's ready for it?
Frank, three, I guess it is.
All right, four.
All right, wonderful.
All right.
There's a lot of people talking about it.
I've talked to people about it.
It's been a long time.
There's a lot of people talking about it.
There's a lot of people talking
The time is, uh, we'll have to get there first and then we'll get a family picture.
All right.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
We are going to have our Lucy Frank, our Lucy's son, go to the direction of the woman's feet.
During the course of the trip, she had to go out and do what she had to do.
I don't know if it's true, but I was going to reduce the size of her head.
I don't know if it's true.
I don't know if she had a new life.
I don't know if she had a new husband.
I don't know if she had a new wife.
I don't know if she had a new wife.
He is all aware, if you will, that I will support and deny the Constitution of the United States.
I'm calling to say that I will support and deny the Constitution of the United States.
Yes, all I'm saying is all I'm going to do is ask you.
Yes, all I'm going to say is all I'm going to do is ask you.
That I will bear true faith in the leadership of the United States.
That I will bear true faith in the leadership of the United States.
And I take this obligation to your name.
And I take this obligation to your name.
Without him, no reservation on purpose on his agent.
Without him, no reservation on purpose on his agent.
Well, thank you very much.
Now it's going to panic.
Now it's going to panic.
Now it's going to panic.
Now it's going to panic.
Now it's going to panic.
Why don't you put this up on the other side so we don't have one another.
I'll be happy.
And now, Judge, if you would come in.
So when I'm ready to start, I want you to stand there.
Now we will have the mother and father.
There we go.
Now, you got to tell that story.
Thank you.
All right, now we'll give you a .
The men have got .
The ladies always get .
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
The money for you is like a giveaway to somebody.
Give it to him.
Don't make it up.
It's a terrible thing.
It costs you lots of money, lots of time, lots of money.
But it's fun.
I'm so glad to have you here.
I don't see much of Frank, but every job he did, I mean, years ago, Brazil, he did such a great job there, and then he came up here to the OEO, and he was so effective with that.
Now we put him over here, and that's what we call it.
I almost feel like this is where I came in.
Remember when you came down in Brazil, Mr. President?
I was in the process of cutting the embassy by 50%.
I got over here to where I'm being with 5% cut.
The State Department was, of course, terribly upset by the fact that the Brazilian ambassador was
They did this beautifully, but it worked, explicitly.
I'm better at this than I thought.
It's a great system, you know.
Anyway, it's 5% or something.
If you add a few cubits, like I already said, I'm going to try everybody to have you.
Have you had your first chance?
Whatever.
It'll probably work, you know.
See, schools are done yet.
Tomorrow.
No, next week.
Monday.
You looking forward to it?
More or less, isn't it?
Yeah, you're just starting.
But you already know.
Oh, yeah.
It's always your license.
That's what we want, too.
Thank you sir.
Thank you sir.