Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 638 › Conversation 638-005

Nixon, Woods & Butterfield on 1972 Presidential Election and Democratic Party

Wednesday, December 15, 1971 · 11:33 AM–11:45 AM ET · Oval Office · 12 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary; Butterfield, Alexander P.Conversation638-005 on Tape 638 (tape position 02:49:23–03:01:51)StartWednesday, December 15, 1971 at 11:33 AMEndWednesday, December 15, 1971 at 11:45 AMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 638-005 ↗

President Nixon met with his personal secretary, Rose Mary Woods, and later aide Alexander P. Butterfield to discuss a range of personal, administrative, and political matters. The conversation covered the President's upcoming schedule and need for relaxation, the political threat posed by Democratic candidates—specifically Ted Kennedy and Edmund Muskie—and the ongoing efforts to secure Nixon's reelection. Nixon also discussed the importance of the Azores summit regarding international economic policy and authorized various administrative tasks, including follow-up meetings and correspondence with foreign dignitaries.

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Good morning.
How are you?
A little rest at all?
Did you watch most of the game?
Well, if you didn't get to see it before, and also that was good for you.
You needed something to relax into that moment.
I must say, this is it.
Apparently, Julia was there.
You know, it's just why she's so good at it around here.
She's so empty in the program.
She said, now, mommy's all sick.
She's got to be here for some parties.
She thinks it's fine.
She said they would not be back Friday if she wouldn't come home one night.
Why, then, Julie was there.
Julie had her office.
She had her job.
And so whatever you can work with, Pat and I should be pleased over it.
Well, she was upset yesterday with the post coverage.
That was one of her problems last night.
What did the post coverage say?
Well, they were about that much on the decorations she did.
And last night the star had a couple pages, and today the post coverage was green room fine.
So I talked to Julie.
And I told Julie I'll run over and look at the green room after the tours, and then I'll call her after her.
My man, that's good.
Everything's good.
We're doing a good job here.
She is, but she, you know, she just wouldn't read the goddamn Washington Post.
Well, you know, no matter how great a job you do, and even if we think the candidates are all great, but they get knocked out.
Oh, sure.
And it's this business.
The thing is, no one is going to, you can't get perfect write-ups on anything.
It's impossible.
They aren't perfect.
That's the problem.
And people have different tastes about centuries.
Some people like mom and I don't.
change the bird deal we've got these goddamn birds in here i don't know what else we could put in it but there are things i think for example what i have over here
Except you don't like that sound.
I just say we could have a revolving group of state gifts there.
You have a revolving group there?
Yeah, that's right.
Those state gifts would do.
Would you discreetly raise that, Julie?
I said, those are mean birds.
If you like mean birds, that's fine.
It's too many for a man's office.
Yeah, it looks too feminine.
I think so.
That star looks great.
I think it's fine.
But, you know, you could put it over there.
Yes, it would be good over there.
One shovel.
One shovel.
Everybody would see what it meant.
Yes, it wouldn't have the other back up.
It really is beautiful.
It would be good with the white back up.
It would shine through a lot.
Correct.
It's a good idea to put out.
How so?
Well, I can say goodbye
I was saying, you know, that is the distinction of my predecessors.
I don't take a law much on it.
Relax.
I don't see movies in the week.
I don't look at television.
I don't play creation.
I don't have any people.
You know, I don't do that sort of thing.
Both Johnson and Eisenhower and Kennedy enjoy the evenings with friends.
During the week, I don't go.
I never do.
And my time off, therefore, is somewhat, it is usually restricted because I'm on the floor sometimes.
And of course, they would have two.
My son, Jesus, he would call him by his own name.
You know, that's why, one of the reasons that he had the heart attack, something, because somebody heard, they bothered him, of course, about some contact.
You know, it just burned him up.
Well, now, in view of this, though, I should never feel a bit guilty about taking off for two days, any time, to go to court.
And our staff and everybody else,
But you don't have to print it, even if they know you're working.
And look, they know how hard, because I just had to call someone like Mr. Grace, and her husband, it's a labor, you know, it works in a G plant somewhere there, or GM plant, I guess it is.
And he goes to work.
In order to get that time, he has to leave around 5 o'clock in the morning.
And he listened on the radio, and he heard about all these meetings, and he said, you know, there are meetings when you go to work, and then there are others.
And so the working person, and most people do run their radios in cars, they understand more so than anyone else.
And besides, you have to get someone to be doing these meetings, don't you?
And?
Well, you can't say anything else.
You have to be away from the negative.
Well, that's the problem.
I must do it.
I went to a dinner last night that you would be glad to hear about.
The stands, there was a bet between Stans and Bowlby and how much their departments would do on some fundraising event.
And the Stans gave the dinner to the Bowlbys.
And they had, the Rothschilds were there, and the Carpenters, and the Secretary of Agriculture, and the Mortons.
And John Mitchell, Marty Donald,
and the Richardsons, and the Schultz, and then they had asked me, and asked me to bring somebody, so I took Ray Price, because I thought he'd fit in with that group.
He's sort of talking to you.
But they had a lot of good toast, and John Mitchell got up and said, you know, everybody was toasting you, and all that.
He said, no, you're not toasting me.
The most important thing in your life when you go to bed at night and you get up in the morning is what you in government and out of government and in every way can do to reelect this man, the Captain Agent.
You need to be sure that Bill Sapphire, I don't want you to be covered for the 12, the other 12 o'clock meeting.
The 12 o'clock meeting, I don't know, just call Bill.
You yourself say the President wants him to be here so that he
Because he understands if he's a no-maker, too.
Yes, sir.
It's true that we may not make it, but we don't.
He's not our best.
I'm totally with you.
The election year is rapidly approaching, but I'm totally resigned to the name because, you know,
If this country, if this country's gonna move in the other direction, so we better find out none of those, and then they'll have to adjust to it.
They shouldn't.
It's terrible to think that they couldn't.
These immigrants are so irresponsible and irresponsible.
Basically, they just let the mob take over the country.
Really.
And here's the person I think gets the nomination.
Teddy?
Yeah.
I'm sure it's Teddy.
It's Muskie.
I bet he did it.
They'll go on his name.
That's all they've got.
They haven't got a document.
They can pay for the campaign.
They can pay for the campaign, although they're the ones who never paid for anything.
That's why they're here.
The Bob County never paid for anything.
That's why they're here.
That's why they're here.
It was interesting.
They seemed to be in good spirits.
Very, very.
And the Russians were there too.
Could anybody record them on the meetings?
Well, we looked at everybody there.
I covered these people.
I wrote a little note to Prime Minister of Portugal myself.
I wrote it by hand, and I wrote a note to the general myself, whose house we stayed in, by hand, and gave him a couple of golf balls.
The only thing that the general sent was a picture so that they could have it for their house.
You know, I guess that's what we sent.
Yes.
Sometimes an ashtray.
Oh, yeah, ashtrays, right.
They look very like them.
The ashtrays are fine.
I told you already to have the students down on the 27th.
Right.
And you're going to follow up with Trish in my hand, correct?
Yes.
Okay.
Well, the benefit of that is that you're going to be here in the meeting with us.
But at least he is a relaxing person.
You know, at the end of the day, and I have a hard day out there in my life, and I thought, well, we'll come over and have a drink.
And I know it's not going to be a boring evening.
You know, he's relaxing.
And also, if I'm not in the mood to relax, I don't know, I can just say, well, let's just be alone.
You know?
That's right.
And he doesn't harass or anything.
No, he's great.
Give him my benefits.
As I'm sure you know, this is an enormously important achievement.
This meeting sets the stage for new monetary systems.
Very helpful meeting.
People don't understand that it's an evaluation.
It doesn't mean a goddamn thing.
Everybody's money actually is going to be worth the same.
It's an evaluation in regard that other currencies in the world make more jobs for Americans.
Yeah.
Well, and some, I heard on the news earlier this morning, they were covering, and I thought it was quite well.
Whoever I've gotten out was not, but they were sort of explaining it to people, you know, a little bit that way, so that it made sense.
It was a great meeting, so.
I know how hard you work.
So now, have a good time.
We'll see you again.
Thank you, Mary.
Thank you.

On December 15, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Rose Mary Woods, and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:33 am to 11:45 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 638-005 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 638-005

Date: December 15, 1971
Time: 11:33 am - 11:45 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Rose Mary Woods.

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[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 06/13/2019.
Segment cleared for release.]
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[638-005-w001]
[Duration: 29s]

     The President’s schedule
          -Game

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     The President’s schedule
          -Florida

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cleared for release. The withdrawal is now categorized as a PRMPA Personal Returnable (G)
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[Unintelligible]
[638-005-w007]
[Duration: 17s]

       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542

     The President’s schedule
          -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
                -Schedule

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     The President’s schedule
          -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
                -Washington Post coverage
                      -White House decorations
                           -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
                           -Green Room
                      -Kennedys
          -Mrs. Nixon

     Decorations
         -Oval Office
               -Executive Office Building [EOB]
               -State gifts
               -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
               -“Star of the President” crystal

     President's schedule

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[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 06/13/2019. 2m
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w003 and 638-005-w008 respectively.]
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[638-005-w003]
[Duration: 2m 11s]

     The President’s schedule
          -Relaxation
               -The President's conversation with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman

       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542

                        -Doesn’t play bridge, poker, or watch movies during the week
            -Lyndon B. Johnson
            -John F. Kennedy
            -Dwight D. Eisenhower
                  -Heart attack
                  -Golf
            -Florida

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     The President’s schedule
          -The President's workload
               -Public opinion
                      -Rose Mary Woods’s opinion
          -Charles W. Colson
               -Unknown man
                      -GM plant
                      -Opinion from working class

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       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8

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     Woods's schedule
         -Dinner party
               -Maurice H. Stans
               -John A. Volpe
               -Donald H. Rumsfeld
               -Clark MacGregor
               -Earl L. Butz
               -Rogers C.B. Morton
               -John N. Mitchell
                      -Martha (Beall) Mitchell
               -Elliot L. and Anne F. Richardson
               -George P. and Helena (“Obie”) Shultz
               -Raymond K. Price, Jr.

Alexander P. Butterfield entered at an unknown time after 11:33 am.

     President's schedule
           -Meeting with Congress
           -William L. Safire
                 -Upcoming Presidential election

Butterfield left at an unknown time before 11:45 am.

     Future of country
          -Democrats

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[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 06/13/2019.
Segment cleared for release.]
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       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542

[Duration: 34s]

     Future of country
          -Democrats
                -Democratic Party presidential nomination
                -Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy
                -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
                -Edmund S. Muskie
                -Rose Mary Woods’s opinion
          -Democratic National Committee [DNC]
                -Debts

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     Woods's dinner party
         -Tone
         -George W. and Lenore L. Romney

     Azores meeting
          -Letter to Portuguese Prime Minister [Dr. Marcello Jose des Neves Alves Caetano]
               and Brig. Gen. Thomas A. Aldrich, Jr.
                -Gifts

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[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 06/13/2019.
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[Duration: 59s]

     The President's schedule
          -Suits
                 -December 27, 1971
          -Tricia Nixon Cox and Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan
          -Florida
                 -Weather

       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542

            -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
                 -Qualities

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     Azores meeting
          -Significance
                -Devaluation
                -Jobs
          -News reports

Woods left at 11:45 am.
  • 016-105 11:22 AM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Julie Nixon Eisenhower talked on the telephone from 11:22 am to 11:25 am.
  • 638-006 11:45 AM · 22 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:45 am to 11:46 am.
  • 638-007 11:51 AM · 10 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:51 am to 11:52 am.
  • 638-008 11:55 AM · 10 min — President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:55 am to 12:02 pm.
  • 638-009 12:02 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:02 pm and 12:06 pm.
  • 638-010 12:02 PM · 7 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:02 pm and 12:06 pm.
  • 638-011 12:02 PM · 19 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:02 pm and 12:06 pm.
  • 638-012 12:06 PM · 53 sec — President Richard M. Nixon, Paul A. Volcker, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:06 pm to 12:07 pm.

Conversation 638-005, December 15, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/638-005 (accessed October 12, 2026).