Nixon & Haldeman on Washington Redskins and China diplomacy

3:04:17No, I'll have to do them at the end.
3:04:22Sure, I'll take time before I have to prepare for this meeting.
3:06:40There's the sports on it.
3:06:43The color started to be.
3:07:03If you were on, you could understand this.
3:07:08You know, he's a sports fan.
3:07:10Sure.
3:07:10What I meant is he could talk to somebody about the turning point of the Redskins season.
3:07:17They all say that privately, you know what I mean?
3:07:20But you think it's a nice story?
3:07:21Yeah.
3:07:22After this thing, the turning point of the Redskins season.
3:07:26And the idea that maybe that one of the guys should have that game ball or something like that.
3:07:32I said, I don't want it.
3:07:34I just think it's not good.
3:07:36Who could you give that to, Bob?
3:07:39Or maybe he's the best one to do it.
3:07:45Ron is going to put this together.
3:07:47He can do it, but he's not going to put the time.
3:07:50Let me play a little bit.
3:07:51I'm happy to talk to him.
3:07:52Yeah, I'm too sorry.
3:07:55I think it's better he probably get more on it, because Scali and Runner are working awful hard on this other story.
3:08:03Marge, at a turning point in the season, Marge talked to Nick, to Alan.
3:08:11Nick is an ideal man to write.
3:08:12It is really a dramatic story, what that team has done.
3:08:23They're split out.
3:08:24It's the greatest excuse to coach a team without questions.
3:08:27It really is.
3:08:29To beat the ranch, they're a good team.
3:08:32They've got more, frankly, they've got more horsepower than the Redskins.
3:08:38They've got more shot.
3:08:39It's your story and you're fired up.
3:08:41What you can do is get done.
3:08:46I talked to Rogers about this meeting.
3:08:48He said, fine, you should do it.
3:08:51He completely agreed you shouldn't have foreign affairs and keep it separate.
3:08:56He did say, if you had the chance, that it would be good for you to make the point, even to this group, Congressman,
3:09:03economic wasn't the only thing that was covered.
3:09:05We had already a successful meeting with Pompidou and the other advisors on the whole range of those relationships back and forth and all.
3:09:18I said you had been pushing the guys this morning on exactly that point.
3:09:21I didn't say Henry had, but Henry did make that point on the plane yesterday.
3:09:27And they are working.
3:09:29It's inevitable.
3:09:30The hard story out of it is the money.
3:09:33So that's what's going to override it.
3:09:42But he's got that.
3:09:49And he's a leader.
3:09:50And Sam will come.
3:09:56It's a good thought, if I hadn't been there to tell them about the mission.
3:10:07I'm sure you wouldn't have been.
3:10:10People could have realized, look, that kind of meeting was a very, a very tiring meeting, and it's no true in the heart of the city.
3:10:17But I reason to get prepared for the Chinese side, and there's some way we could...
3:10:23maybe take a little more time, progressively getting out to the damn place.
3:10:28I'm sure we need a day in California, that's for one thing, even though it'll pop down.
3:10:35The goddamn Crest could go another way anyway.
3:10:37They don't have to fly tandem with us.
3:10:41Where else would we stay other than Hawaii?
3:10:43Hawaii, you see, isn't much of a break either.
3:10:48But what looks like the best time, what we're going to recommend,
3:10:51is to go on Wednesday to California.
3:10:56Spend Wednesday night there, and all day Thursday and Thursday night.
3:11:00So you get two nights in California.
3:11:02That's only three hours, otherwise.
3:11:06Well, if you keep that three hours, then you go on Wednesday.
3:11:11Could I suggest that maybe the better thing is to fly to Hawaii and do it there for two days?
3:11:16All right.
3:11:17I'll tell you why.
3:11:18Then you've got six hours.
3:11:20That's right.
3:11:20On the way.
3:11:22The only reason for California is it's an easier place for you to relax.
3:11:26But if we could get, I won't relax a whole lot.
3:11:30I mean, being left alone really is the point.
3:11:32No, but if we got to Hawaii and used the rock-collar house, you know, that I, and I won't do any swimming or anything.
3:11:40I can drive to the beach if I want to take a swim.
3:11:44The other thing that was sort of a factor, I don't think it's terribly important, is we could have a bigger send-out kind of a thing from California.
3:11:52Which had some sort of appeal.
3:11:56Hawaii you won't get, you just don't get much of a crowd thing.
3:12:01I got moved twice then.
3:12:02I got spent a night in California.
3:12:08Then a night in Hawaii.
3:12:13And then what we had was two nights in Guam.
3:12:16Because that's your...
3:12:19And you have that nice, that's a good house there.
3:12:22If I stayed there?
3:12:23Yeah, the Nimitz house.
3:12:26That's where I stayed before.
3:12:27It's not a bad place, not a bad place.
3:12:30It's also not bad symbolism.
3:12:33The wild doctor came from there.
3:12:39Okay.
3:12:40I wonder, you know, if...
3:12:43I don't know, California then maybe is a better partner.
3:12:47Still the Hawaii partners.
3:12:50Spend the night in California.
3:12:51Then fly to Guam.
3:12:52Then fly to Guam.
3:12:53Then fly to Guam on how long the flight will take.
3:12:56Longer.
3:12:59It's a long flight.
3:13:00And then sparkies for Hawaii may be being better.
3:13:03As a matter of fact, we, I think, have to re-deal with weight.
3:13:07That, in a certain sense, is late.
3:13:10If we could do Hawaii, I don't think we'd worry about the scent of Hawaii.
3:13:17It's going to be all that difference.
3:13:19We'll have it here.
3:13:20We can have a scent out here.
3:13:25We can do a formal departure from here.
3:13:29That'll run, you know, we always think that doing it in California helps in California.
3:13:33And yes, we find everything we do in California gets a bigger ride.
3:13:37No, we get a bigger ride from here to here than in California.
3:13:41You just don't do it.
3:13:42How many times they're perverse on that.
3:13:45I think Hawaii is better, all right?
3:13:48I think we ought to do it.
3:13:50And that breaks the thing.
3:13:51Six hours.
3:13:52Spend two days in Hawaii.
3:13:55And then you also have the advantage of better weather there.
3:13:59You can get outside, get some sun.
3:14:01I hadn't thought of that.
3:14:03I'm trying Hawaii.
3:14:04And incidentally, you don't have to just think of the Hawaii color place on Hawaii.
3:14:09Maybe there's a better place.
3:14:10Maybe to go to the, you know, Maui is a place.
3:14:12Take the hotel, not take Mauna Mauna in.
3:14:15and take one of the private houses, if there's some private houses.
3:14:17I'll tell you at the end that you could, with a beach.
3:14:20Yeah, there's one private house with a beach.
3:14:23I think Maui has a greater deal to me rather than being in a rockfall place.
3:14:29You know, a rockfall place is off.
3:14:31It's not on the beach.
3:14:33If we could land in Maui, I don't want to be, I don't want to be in that goddamn hotel on a walk.
3:14:40Yeah, that's just, you just, you have a huge group of people there.
3:14:43Everybody's outside waiting to take your picture.
3:14:45Yeah, that's, that's a bad, it's no way to walk.
3:14:47It must be a private house.
3:14:49Okay, let's do it that way.
3:14:51Fly to, fly to, uh, fly directly from Washington to Hawaii.
3:14:57Spend a couple of days.
3:14:58Then fly along, right?

Nixon & Haldeman on Washington Redskins and China diplomacy

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