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Nixon & Bull on John D. Ehrlichman and National Mall

Monday, January 31, 1972 · 4:00 PM–4:01 PM ET · Oval Office · 14 sec

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.Conversation661-005 on Tape 661 (tape position 02:30:00–02:30:36)StartMonday, January 31, 1972 at 4:00 PMEndMonday, January 31, 1972 at 4:01 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 661-005 ↗

President Nixon met with Stephen B. Bull to review the President's schedule and address a priority request from John D. Ehrlichman. The discussion focused on coordinating a meeting to deliberate the proposed renovation of the National Mall. No further actions were recorded before the brief meeting concluded.

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Mr. President, this is the highest priority issue in general.
We would like to discuss the matter of the renovation of the mall.

On January 31, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:00 pm and 4:01 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 661-005 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 661-5

Date: January 31, 1972
Time: Unknown between 4:00 pm and 4:01 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

     The President’s schedule
          -John D. Ehrlichman’s request for a meeting
               -Renovation of the Mall

Bull left at an unknown time before 4:01 pm.
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Conversation 661-005, January 31, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/661-005 (accessed October 12, 2026).