Conversation 744-021

Audio for this conversation has not yet been released by the National Archives.

On June 30, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Clark MacGregor, Stephen B. Bull, Ernesto V. Lagdameo, and Mrs. Ernesto V. Lagdameo met in the Oval Office of the White House from 2:55 pm to 3:18 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 744-021 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 744-21

Date: June 30, 1972
Time: 2:55-3:18 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Clark MacGregor.
[This recording began at an unknown time while the meeting was in progress.]

     Social Security bill
          -Frank T. Church amendment
                -Possible veto
                -Cost to Social Security reserves
                -Fears of elderly
                -The President's position
          -Effects of veto of debt ceiling bill
          -Future debt ceiling bills
          -Congressional support
                -Samuel L. Devine
          -Ways and Means Committee
                -John W. Byrnes, Barber B. Conable, Jr.
                      -Elliot L. Richardson
                           -Possible testimony
                -Wilbur D. Mills
          -Byrnes
                -Effects of passage
                -Welfare reform bill (House Resolution [HR] 1)
          -Administration plan to delay Congressional adjournment
          -Possible statement about the President's feeling on Social Security
                -Record of the President's administration
          -Richardson
          -George P. Shultz's opinion on administration's fight
          -Richardson
          -Fight in committee
          -Possible amendments
                -Rules of debate
          -Byrnes
          -Leslie C. Arends
          -Jackson E. Betts

                                        (rev. Feb-02)

          -Arends
          -Conable
          -John B. Anderson
          -John J. Rhodes
          -George H. Mahon

     The President’s forthcoming meeting with Ernesto V. Lagdameo
          -MacGregor's trip to Manila

     Social Security bill
          -Possible veto
                -MacGregor’s view
          -Fight in committee
          -Campaign issue
          -Reasons for veto
          -Debt ceiling extensions
                -Political motivations of Congressional Democrats

     George S. McGovern

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Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 2:55 pm.

     The President's schedule
          -Anna C. Chennault

Bull left at an unknown time before 3:12 pm.

     The President's schedule
          -MacGregor

                                          (rev. Feb-02)

      Social Security bill
           -Shultz
           -Caspar W. Weinberger

Chennault, Lagdameo, and Mrs. Ernesto Lagdameo entered at 3:12 pm.

      Greetings

      Arrangements for photograph

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:12 pm.

      The President's schedule
           -Richard G. Kleindienst
           -Ronald L. Ziegler

      Gifts

      Photographs

bull left at an unknown time before 3:18 pm.

      MacGregor

      Chennault

      Presentation of gifts by the President

      Parties

      The President's schedule

MacGregor, et al., left at 3:18 pm.