Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 38 › Conversation 038-038

Nixon phone call with an unidentified caller on Ronald L. Ziegler

Sunday, April 15, 1973 · 12:45 AM–1:01 AM ET · White House Telephone · 17 sec

ParticipantsWhite House operator; Nixon, Richard M. (President)Conversation038-038 on Tape 38StartSunday, April 15, 1973 at 12:45 AMEndSunday, April 15, 1973 at 1:01 AMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 038-038 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon instructed the White House operator to connect him with Press Secretary Ronald L. Ziegler. The call served as a brief logistical exchange to facilitate direct communication between the President and his press secretary. No substantive policy matters were discussed during this initial operator-assisted connection.

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Sir, did you call operator?
Yes, sir.
Mr. President, Mr. Zegler returned here to call me.
I get him for you.
Yes, thank you, sir.

NARA Description

On April 15, 1973, White House operator and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 12:45 am and 1:01 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-038 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 38-38

Date: April 15, 1973
Time: Unknown between 12:45 am and 1:01 am
Location: White House Telephone
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                                            Conversation No. 38-38 (cont’d)

The White House operator talked with the President.

     Ronald L. Ziegler’s call to President

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 038-038, April 15, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-038 (accessed October 12, 2026).