On June 29, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 11:07 am to 11:18 am. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 195-005 of the White House Tapes.
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Good, good.
Might as well lay it out there.
Well, what do we have yet about the organization next week?
No, yeah, yeah.
New horses, what'd you say, with what?
Okay, well, that's fine.
Both press, other hand press.
That's good.
Yeah.
That's fine.
Oh, Jesus.
Yeah, yeah.
It may perhaps go in order to beef up their position with regard to this.
He'll be just like Tony Lewis, Henry.
He'll write all that bullshit.
On the other hand, Kraft may not go so far as Lewis in assuring him that whatever's going to win and that sort of thing.
Breyer, well, probably just in his dishonest way, a little more honest.
You know what I mean?
He wants them to win, but he isn't going to give them the crap, because he doesn't want to look that bad.
Lewis is basically just a whore.
I thought the announcement played well.
You know, the main thing is that the draft, you know, the number is irrelevant.
Well, look, by the time September comes, we'll say what we want, because then it's got to be a retentional event, so we'll have to decide what the hell it is, and that's that.
Can't go any lower.
Of course, I suppose the MIAs are higher because of the aircraft.
The other hand, they're there when I see them.
That Quantree thing was kicked off a pretty good bank, apparently.
They are.
Well, they should.
My husband, the 152s, that's like, that's a bigger artillery barrage.
They had it for done.
Gee, the ski rides, just think of them.
Cracking a do, I don't know, there's bound to be something to give.
If they'll just go.
That's what we want, to go to the ceasefire.
We're not going to go home free, but as for our purposes, because look, if you get anything that's passed the election in the way of a ceasefire, then let them squeal about the war.
Who the hell is going to believe it?
It's going to be hard for them to squeal about it even now.
I have your, I got your stuff, it came up in my, I got it for you, and so we're all sitting on that.
And I'll keep the lines out, just like that.
Yeah, I think if Kraft goes, you ought to have a talk with him before, I mean, and just put it right into it.
I'd be very tough with him, and I'd say, now, Joe, do you want this war to end or not?
So just forget everything else, and then, I'd put, why don't you put out a little of the effect, well, if I look here,
you realize that we now have the responsibility for prolonging the war.
It's going to be squarely one.
I want you to put that line out.
Don't you think so?
Well, you could point out that no.
ready to go and what he says is, I think you can play to his ego that what he tells them can have an enormous effect.
That he gives them encouragement.
Oh, also drop in the fact that, you know, I just want you to know that we're, this man is still president with regards to the fabulous for January the 20th.
Let him have that.
I don't want him to think that just that the election is, because they'll come there.
All, all those are allowed after the November 7th regardless.
I think it's just so he doesn't go over there with the bullshit that the exec will now just hang on, the police are coming on, the young people are pouring.
You can beat Nixon and then you'll be free.
That's the totally unpatriotic thing to do.
Also, isn't he interested in Israel?
Perhaps.
Well, if he is, you can point out to him.
How the hell can we do it without an actual defense?
Yeah, well, that's the main thing.
Okay.
Yeah, well.
Well, let me say, let me say, I am going to get the credit.
But I mean, we cannot let, we cannot let Peterson take this from us.
Us was over there first.
And Peterson, what the hell?
He's going to get a chance at the second thing.
Are you even there to find out who's going to get credit?
God damn it, what the hell's the matter with these people?
They had it occur to neither of them that I have to get the credit.
I think after is better.
Let's drop everything in there and just slam it right in.
I think on the way back from California, I could stop at the Midwest and make peace.
That's what I prefer.
If we can hold it till then.
All right.
That's the way we'll go.