Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 241 › Conversation 241-005

Nixon phone call with an unidentified caller on Camp David and Aspen Lodge

Friday, February 2, 1973 · 3:43 PM–3:30 PM ET · Camp David Hard Wire · 19 sec

Participants[Unknown person(s)]Conversation241-005 on Tape 241StartFriday, February 2, 1973 at 3:43 PMEndSaturday, February 3, 1973 at 3:30 PMRecording deviceCamp David Hard WireSourceNixon Library record for 241-005 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon hosted unidentified visitors at the Aspen Lodge at Camp David to discuss the physical layout and decor of the study. The conversation focused on the room's arrangement, specifically regarding the positioning of furniture to optimize the view of the surrounding beech trees and the town. No significant political or policy decisions were documented during this informal assessment of the facility.

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And all these have just that same view of that now when you do.

NARA Description

Unknown person(s) met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David on an unknown date, sometime between 3:43 pm on February 2, 1973 and 3:30 pm on February 3, 1973. The Camp David Hard Wire taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 241-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 241-005

Date: February 2 or February 3, 1973
Time: Unknown between 3:43 pm, February 2 and 3:30 pm, February 3, 1973
Location: Camp David Hard Wire

Unknown men met.

       Room arrangement
             -President
             -Furniture
             -View
                    -Beech tree
                    -Town

Unknown men left at an unknown time before 3:30 pm, February 3, 1973.

       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542

Also recorded on February 2, 1973

  • 186-001 3:43 PM · 42 sec — Camp David operator, William Hirsch, and unknown person(s) talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.
  • 186-002 3:43 PM · 32 sec — William Hirsch and Charles C. ("Charlie") Sumrell talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.
  • 186-003 3:43 PM · 4 min — Henry A. Kissinger, Camp David operator, Paul ("Stern") Kissinger, and Louis Kissinger talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.
  • 186-004 3:43 PM · 3 min — Henry A. Kissinger, Camp David operator, unknown person(s), and Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.
  • 186-005 3:43 PM · 3 min — Henry A. Kissinger, Camp David operator, and Cmdr. Jonathan T. Howe talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.
  • 186-006 3:43 PM · 20 sec — Charles C. ("Charlie") Sumrell and unknown person(s) talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.
  • 186-007 3:43 PM · 33 sec — Frank A. Sisco, Camp David operator, and Charles A. Grunden talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.
  • 186-008 3:43 PM · 6 min — Frank A. Sisco, Camp David operator, unknown person(s), and Farrell D. Morlan talked on the telephone at Camp David at an unknown time between 3:43 pm and 8:50 pm.

All 33 conversations from February 2, 1973 →

Cite this conversation

Conversation 241-005, February 2, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/241-005 (accessed October 1, 2026).