Conversation 245-006

TapeTape 245StartTuesday, April 6, 1971 at 10:05 AMEndTuesday, April 6, 1971 at 11:03 AMTape start time00:53:11Tape end time01:49:43ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Kissinger, Henry A.;  Bull, Stephen B.;  Mansfield, Michael J. ("Mike")Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building

On April 6, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, Stephen B. Bull, and Michael J. ("Mike") Mansfield met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 10:05 am to 11:03 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 245-006 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 245-006
Date: April 6, 1971
Time: 10:05 am - 11:03 am
Location: Executive Office Building
The President met with Henry A. Kissinger
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Laos
-Casualty figures
-Military operations
-Comparison
Vietnam
-North Vietnamese
-President’s forthcoming statement on Prisoners of War [POWs]
-President’s options
-Possible statement
-Warning
-Credibility
-Kissinger’s statement on POWs
Laos
-Casualties
-South Vietnamese casualties
-Air sorties
-George S. McGovern’s statements
-Kissinger’s possible statement
President’s speech on Vietnam, April 7, 1971
-Draft
-President’s presentation
-Press
-Release
-Air sorties
-South Vietnamese casualties
-Warning
-Statement
-Warning
-Staff
Vietnam
-Withdrawal
-”Blockbusters”
-John D. Ehrlichman
-US proposals
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-Negotiations
-Kissinger and Clark MacGregor
-Press
-Proposals
-”Doves”
-Congress
-Withdrawal date
-Military aid
-General Nguyen Van Thieu and Nguyen Cao Ky
-Communist victory
-Kissinger’s relations with MacGregor
-Troop announcements
-Date for United States’ withdrawal
-Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield
-President’s meeting with Thieu
-United States’ position
-President’s policy
-North Vietnamese
-Lyndon B. Johnson
-Date for Withdrawal
-POWs
-Cease fire
-Negotiations
-Cease fire
-United States’ proposals
-Kissinger’s role
-Paris talks
Chile
-Elections
-Salvador Allende Gossens
-Control of media
-Eduardo Frei Montalva
-Christian Democrats
-Allende
-State Department
-Charles A. Meyer
-Allende
-United States’ policy
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-Jorge Alessandri
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Chile
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-Unknown diplomat
-Jorge Alessandri
-Christian Democrats
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Chile
-Edward M. Korry
-Liberal Democrat
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[Duration: 45s]
Chile
-Edward M. Korry
-William P. Rogers [?]
-Activities
-Henry A. Kissinger’s opinion
-Alternate post
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Chile
-Korry
-Peter M. Flanigan
-Kenneth B. Keating
-Pakistan
-India
Kissinger’s relations with MacGregor
-Melvin R. Laird
-Ehrlichman
Vietnam
-Ehrlichman
-Public opinion
-Johnson
Cambodia
-United States’ involvement
-Public opinion
Lieutenant William L. Calley, Jr.
-Impact on administration
-Background
President’s speech on Vietnam
-Possible question to Kissinger
-President’s policy
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:05 am
Arrival of Mansfield
Bull left at an unknown time before 10:35 am
President’s speech on Vietnam
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-Success of policy
-Possible wording on Vietnamization policy
-Relation to troop withdrawals
Mansfield entered at 10:35 am
Greetings
Kissinger left at 10:36 am
Vietnam
-President’s forthcoming call to Ellsworth F. Bunker
-Military situation
-Withdrawal date
-South Vietnamese leaders
-Withdrawal of United States’ troops
-Rate
-Numbers
-Ceiling
-Level
-Announcement
-Dates
-Level
-Future announcements
-President’s options
-Negotiations
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-Attitude
-United States’ position
-President’s options
-Soviet Union
-President’s options
-Deadline
-President’s plans
-Troop withdrawals
-Chance of a breakthrough
-Announcements
-Withdrawal of troops
-Anatoliy F. Dobrynin’s mission
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-United States’ offer
-Date
-United States’ plans
-Cease fire
-President’s speech, April 7, 1971
-Negotiations
-President’s forthcoming conversations with Dobrynin
-Possible topics
-North Vietnamese
-Madame Nguyen Thi Binh and Long Di [sp?]
-Date
-United States’ position
-Troop withdrawals
-Laos
-President’s policy
Arms control negotiations
-Leonid I. Brezhnev and Andrei A. Gromyko
-Communist Party Congress
-Fight
-Military people
-Arms limitation issue
-Political people
-Aleksei N. Kosygin
-Brezhnev’s role
-Detente
-Arms limitation
-Date
-President’s options
Berlin
-United States-Soviet Union negotiations
Middle East
-United States’ policy
-Israel
-Support
-United States’ policy
-Other nations
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-Cease fire
-Anwar el-Sadat
-Soviet Union
Vietnam and Laos
-Mansfield’s support for President
-Troop withdrawal
-Announcement
-South Vietnamese
-Military operations
-Location
-Negotiations
-Prospects
President’s trip to Montana
-Timing
-Labor Day
-Announcement
President’s briefing on Vietnam
-Value
Mansfield left at 11:03 am

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I've got the figures.
Last week I had a comfortable period of about 130 years.
This week it's 80 years.
88.
Oh, it's 83.
It's 80 years.
It's been 130 years.
Yes, sir.
What I want you to get for me is a different picture.
I want to compare the first three months of this year and the first three months of 2014.
That would put it all in perspective.
Including last year?
Including last year.
Including the entire Laotian Marine Operation including last week and the entire Laotian Marine Operation.
I'll find out which state.
We're getting the first three months of 68.
Yes, for the first three months of this year.
I know we can't compare a week, but we can do it.
We thought 138 in the whole last year.
All right.
The other thing, I certainly want you to get that very hard.
I don't want that to be the big thing.
I can simply say that the casualties will stay up.
They're up always immediately after.
But then they go down sharply once the operation ends.
Do you predict that this is going to be like that even older folks?
Fine.
We're going over it.
I like it.
A few other changes.
What else?
I don't know.
I've been confused.
I'm going to make money now.
I'm going to try to do it.
I'm going to try to do it.
But that's what's up.
All right.
We have no more of it.
I don't want it in this time.
I'm sorry.
It's just not necessary.
Just don't put it in this time.
I have it.
I have it.
You're a person.
Stay home.
And let there be no one.
But you make it in the background.
Do you have anything to do with it?
No.
I'm going to say something warm about it at the end when I end it.
But I'm not going to say, there's nothing to say about the view that we're going to make it, or something about the view that we're going to make it.
I'm just going to add a little bit at the end of it.
Just as it is, why?
It will be said.
It will be said.
But I try to make it something to say about the view that we're going to make it.
We're going to keep them there until we've all come along.
Well, if you can find one sentence, one sentence.
Well, I'm going to put something in at the end.
It's very strong.
But if you can have one sentence, if you can find one sentence, one sentence, that's fine.
On the warning.
Let's just, let's just leave it out and accept it.
The one point that you might find a place to substitute is with regard to finding a good place to go to the desert and destroy the rift.
I might put in one sentence with regard to the
I don't know whether we should go to Edwards to prepare him for, you know, high points and so forth.
I don't, don't you think we should have something in there like that?
I'm just thinking you've read the list.
Preparing for high points.
If you go to Edwards, that's fine.
I'm sure you can.
Why don't you go and have a hack away at that?
If you go to Edwards, preparing for high points.
uh getting the three months figure i'm catching with that i think that's the thing to do in the three months including the entire operation and last week yeah yes i know everybody give me that
Yes, what would it be?
Well, if you could find a place to put it in.
I'll find it.
And that's no offense to my boss, but you wouldn't know.
Let me find a place.
Yeah, but you could find it and suggest it.
No, I've got a, I've put out a new draft.
I've just got the new draft out now.
Well, that is another, another one.
It's practically the same, except I cut a paragraph.
And, dude, I've made a few word changes.
And March is not fighting it.
And as soon as that's available...
Except for the conclusion.
I am taking the conclusion off and I'm going to end with the conclusion.
That's a good one.
That's a good one.
Just to put out the press.
I'm not going to do any shit.
I'm not going to press anyone.
The conclusion is my own.
I'm a personal person.
But anyway, what I...
or what it is, we'll put the speech out just like it is.
And I'm just gonna slice it up and put it in an ad-lib and then I'll hear it.
The speech will appear like it is, you know.
It'll appear just like it is.
In other words, it'll read just like it is.
But I'm not gonna read that.
I'm gonna ad-lib that and do that in a more relaxed way.
Now that's right, I think you're absolutely right.
and the other sort of things, and I think some of the other people have been trying to make fun of our launch, but the warning is not necessary at this point.
You notice, we just say we've made it time and time again, and it's still staying.
And they'll also, I'll get a chance to crack that again when I see the other ones, and I'll be there at least again, I think,
I think this is an awful speech without the warning.
Yeah.
And the people who want to get out have to say that.
What do you think of that?
Blockbuster.
There's no blockbuster.
That's what he says.
We need a blockbuster.
There's no blockbuster.
Blockbuster.
Blockbuster.
That's what he says.
That's the way it's going.
That's what I thought, but the director was getting somewhat unpleasant about it.
Well, I suppose it was.
Well, it declined.
Well, he bought me a specific revolver.
He said it was a revolver.
It's now $16,500.
Well, he got that for $100,000.
Plus, uh... Plus, he had the compact revolver.
I think he grabbed the... No, that's essentially it.
Plus, uh, he said he knew what he was going for.
Well, how would you describe it?
Well, what I would like to do, rather than answer it there, sitting around with the staff meeting one child at a time, I suggest that Mr. Bob, if he gets a suggestion tomorrow morning at 8 p.m. in the night room, talk to the theater that he's on, the other end of the theater, I think that would be good.
Possibilities, I won't mention how flat, but that's what we're trying to preserve.
I'm trying to protect the president.
But I answered the question.
I said that the only thing that matters is not what they say tomorrow.
It matters that there's media that supports them.
And if we make this even more positive, we may reflect this time next year.
So that means it is important now?
Not at all.
It's your own, as far as people are concerned.
Your own.
If you go to 16,000, it doesn't have any more effect than it does.
14,000 will be show progress to the average guy, as far as the Congress is concerned.
The congressional bill is practically there.
They'll say, why don't you give us a ton?
Why don't you say, do you give it for Christmas?
And if you give us a ton, then I'll give us a ton for Christmas.
Oh, I know, I know, I know.
And then you say the next day, when are you going to stop military aid to the two P-100 ships?
We don't.
I don't.
It's there, there, listen.
We don't know.
They want the communists to lead down the left.
They don't say they don't want the communists to win.
That would be the question.
The left wants the communists to win.
And they want to lose.
And the others, even those who don't want the communists to win, don't want to lose.
I know you are, but let me say, just reflect absolute confidence in the Congress, not let us understand your sorrow and your triggers.
He's up there.
You've got to remember him.
Day after day, he takes a tremendous beating in the Congress.
Of course, you take a tremendous beating in the Congress.
You came there?
Oh, God, you remember?
Big troop announcement.
Go to church.
Go to church.
Announce our troop plan.
Announce this, that, or the other.
Now, send us the combat clothes.
We've gone through all of this.
Now, I will be the head of the troop.
And I said, now, Mike, I don't know what's going to happen.
I don't want you to raise your voice.
But I said, we don't know what's going to happen.
I did not know.
So she did.
We don't think that we'll have to move in another direction.
I laid it out for him.
And he, he won't say a word.
Father God, we accrued some of those people, and we're going to do our best to rescue them.
We're going to need them.
We have to go all the way out there and prove that we can do it.
June?
June 15th.
We're going to see Q.
And May 1st.
You're going to go see the door, too.
What I mean is June 1st.
You think June 1st is June 3rd.
You work out this day, huh?
They either accept the goddamn thing, or we put them on the name, or we go see Q.
We're going to see Q then.
I don't see Q then.
Yeah, I don't have it.
We're going to see Q.
But my point is that there would be another very good reason
that we made, but it could come down.
It could come to these bastard perforations.
All right.
If it were for our domestic people.
No, let's leave that out.
Let's leave it out.
Let's leave it out.
Let's leave it out.
Let's leave it out.
Let's leave it out.
Let's leave it out.
And I just might send a lash out.
I might lash out real dumb, damn good.
Eric, is this the wrong time?
I, uh, you can't make it 90 days, good man.
It'd be a little less.
No, sir.
Uh, July 1st.
Uh, July 4th.
Well, there's no budget.
It's the 4th of July, Mike.
We all know that there ain't other people who are on the border except for the government.
I don't think there's a man who's on the border.
Yes, there is.
I don't think there's a man who's on the border.
We haven't set a date for getting out.
This will just say, we'll get out.
And return first inspired.
You don't have to get out.
I don't know if this is making no damn sense.
That is unfortunate.
We're not going to give anything out.
We should have put it out there so you've got something to give in the negotiation.
One of the other things you put in is the date that you're going to get out.
I just think January 1st, 1973.
That's negotiated back.
What the hell was it?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
And the way you do this now, I would say that you should go and make a statement.
Go there and make a secret.
Or you go there and make a secret.
You're not going to have anything to do with it.
You're not going to have anything to do with it.
But you have to let it go there.
You've got to see it.
Remember it.
You've made it all this time.
You've done it.
You've done it.
You've done it.
You know it.
And I'd love it.
I'd love it so much.
I'd love it.
I'd love it.
You've got to have that, Henry, so that we don't have a hell of a time.
Well, how do, Mr. President?
How do we do it?
There'll be some issues we're going to come up with.
Sure.
And then while I'm on the front line, I'm going to go over the matters which you do as important.
You have a crow and you can set up some sort of a police.
Yeah.
You have an exchange that could transfer me to some sort of a ward or something.
But they would not...
What do you think of the Chilean collection?
What is the collection?
It's kind of like that.
It's kind of similar to that.
He shows how crooked, you know.
Well, I think he's fixed, too, on Fox.
No, but he has the dyslexia, too, inside of me.
He controls all the media.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's got the television.
He's got the press.
I got it.
I got it.
There's no press.
There's no opposition press.
I got it.
I got it.
You're way ahead of me.
I didn't realize that.
Of course, of course, it's a fascist.
And the left wing of the Catholics is distinguished from him only because they're Catholics.
Since you had Ray taped all along, I, uh, I've been joining.
No, he hasn't, so I haven't, but he had almost the same program except that he's a Catholic.
So that Ray's now on the driveway from his father, he's on the driveway from Ray's father's home.
It's practically on the other end of the road.
But this last year when the State Department was trying to get it to keep us from dealing with God, I don't think Philly could even address this.
And with John McMillan, that's how they were telling us that we couldn't drink on the end of the along with the provincial elections.
They couldn't talk it down.
That's because the economy was too bad for us.
Yeah.
Incidentally, uh, yeah, sorry.
Give me here.
We're still keeping our tough policy with regard to Kelly, aren't we?
Are we?
You know what?
It's been long since we had you before.
How are you doing, you know?
I'm stuck out.
Then I can't get along with you, baby.
You can play in my house if you want.
I've had a, I've had, I've had folks get all the cases I've ever been in, and I was just waiting for a call center to come to me.
But our people were, were almost as opposed to the other side of the screen as they were to, you know, we had this whole shift, and it was so determined.
And, for example, I would come to all these, the money into the election, and they wouldn't let me do it.
We're outside.
They wanted to keep the coffin open for the Christian Democrats who never had a job.
Well, what's the fact that God's the ambassador?
Where's the ambassador?
Look, he was for free.
Well, I know.
That's why I never had any confidence in him.
I was always damn riding around with God's family.
He was for free.
Because he's basically a liberal Democrat.
He's still there.
Is he still there?
Oh, give me a shot.
But he needs the money.
I presume he loves country to country.
I thought he must be some damn country to Canadian ambassador.
Yeah.
The guy's a nut.
Yeah.
And the day...
But he works his ass off.
He doesn't love all these things.
He's unstable.
And we don't know how much of our food is going to be sold.
Yeah.
And he'll write a bestseller.
He writes well.
Well, old, right.
So...
All right, tell them to give us another post.
Tell them to come back.
Tell them to come back and find any post that they can.
Right over here.
Here we go.
Okay, okay, all right.
What's he wants to do?
Huh?
Do you know if that post is an idea?
So what are they going to do?
What are they going to do?
What the hell is it for us?
What's against us?
The person's under pressure.
Don't be, don't give up on McGregor.
I think what has happened is he just first got fired, and also he's probably getting a hell of a mouthful from Blair.
I don't know if you think I'm going to say that.
I just want you to... Oh, shit, I don't want you to say that.
It's the first time he goes to one of these, but I'm just going to finish on that.
Or they read it in the magazine, I don't know.
It's really, it's really, it's really, it's really, it's really, it's really, it's really, it's really, it's really, it's really,
I think we really felt deep down they had, you know, they never, because Johnson and I never tested this, we tested this, I don't know if they had it in Cambodia.
But if they still had it, I remember we were hired then.
Now, I mean, the point is that we started out in this thing, frankly, higher public than we were in Cambodia.
And so it's not funny.
I mean, a lot of them.
Yep.
We started out in the 60s here.
I can't believe it.
We have a little more mission.
It's hard, not just to defeat.
A lot of us, in itself, have not been able to defeat, not try anymore.
But then, you know, I'm going to take care of it now.
I mean, Cali, they could just approach me.
They could.
I think the tally has been proved that the ozone is not that healthy.
And if that method is healthy, I don't know how it's going to be.
Evidently, I think that the background is the proper place to handle the threat.
I just don't want to...
I don't want to put that in the middle.
The speech is so strong on the ideological side.
But I think you, they'll ask you.
Well, sometimes they'll ask you.
I don't know if the president has made that statement before.
As recently as three weeks ago, when he made a publication to the records, where he was told that this president is not, that he's always going to repeat it.
That's what I do.
That's what I do.
He said, instead of saying Vietnam has succeeded, he wanted to say Vietnam has succeeded.
Vietnam has succeeded.
That's what he said.
That's what he said.
That's what he said.
That's what he said.
That's what he said.
That's what he said.
That's what he said.
But why don't I tell you where you can put it again?
Because our policy of legalization, because it can now be said that our policy of legalization has succeeded.
And insert that right into a plate now.
Because it can now, because we can now confidently say that our policy of legalization has succeeded.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
That's Manolo, Senator.
Senator Manolo, too.
Hi, hi, Cory.
How are you doing, Senator?
Well, you need to serve.
I'm a head man, but I'm not allowed to do that part of your job.
Yeah, I hear you.
I won't take long in your time.
Let me tell you what my situation is, Andrew.
That's a particularly good party.
It should not be out before I announce it.
I got that.
I personally have that to call upon.
I don't know if it's going to occur.
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people will accept it.
That's one part of the number.
The second point is one of the total conflicts that has just developed over the last week.
I don't mind that kind of conflict.
We understand that the wonderful guy just did a run-through of Russia.
Now, first, let me tell you about the withdrawal.
The military advised, and I say the military, but even the first thing in this whole program was withdrawal.
I always, you know, I love the picture of the German troops running at me.
I thought that it was important to do, because you're involved in the core of the war.
They always put a number in the rules for how many we have, and they come along, the military members.
I had already committed the question to the number of 12,500, to the rate of 12,500, so they realized they had to start there, and they, uh, they, uh, they paid 12,500.
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Now, what we...
particularly from what I was thinking and identifying with the situation in the heart of the country.
In some of the parts of the country, there's a lot of people that have been hurt, more or less.
We actually need to do something to stop that.
We're going to have to make sure that we're going to make sure that we're going to make sure that we're going to make sure that we're going to make sure that we're going to make sure that we're going to make sure that we're going
they will shortly drop that sheet of proof.
And they'll probably drop down a little bit.
And they're on to be quite one of the exact ones that will be dropped.
But, you know, maybe it's that way.
About half a level is critical.
So it's a good time to find out the situation.
The...
I am going to 9-11-0 by December 1st.
Now that is the increase in the rate of flow on 514,000.
And then, on December 1st, our current location is
Now, this is a hard one, but it's very small.
I mean, I've prayed that they always want to have something as small as this, but it's not going to be as small.
It's pretty common.
They're very well aware of the issue of action.
And that will bring us down to one of the people of San Francisco.
Uh, and on the record 15.
When I say on the record 15, don't hold me to that date exactly.
I always announce it at least 15 days before I run for the number 1st, the 2nd, the 3rd, or the 4th time in that ballpark.
And then we're going for the next announcement.
Pretty close.
Pretty close to the last.
No.
Now let me tell you a couple of things.
I'm not doing anything in terms of doing anything.
I'm not sending a date.
I can't do that because I know that there's a reason people want me to send a date.
Because, well, suppose they send a date.
I don't want to do this.
I don't want to do this.
You know, I've heard this before.
You know damn well that they've heard this before.
I'm not going to say it's going to go on.
I can't set a date.
We have three months left.
There is a chance that we're going to meet now.
This is what we're going to do.
We've got to deal with the production.
Thank you.
Whether that day will be strong enough, we will know, I say in 90 days, 90 days, if we do not know, that's probably my first thought.
Today, the Russian government should be in shape for it.
If they say, we're ready for a night, which I think is going to be a good day.
This is fire.
And I say again, because there's a hell of a lot we're doing here, but it's a great deal to live.
Now, I don't want to, I think it's true, I've never been very confident in the first time.
There's no chance.
The chance will run out, I promise you, for too long.
When it runs out, then I don't know what I'm going to do next.
Because then, the argument that I will make will be that I want to, that I'm not.
I am rejecting what I'm going to say, what I'm going to say to an actor, what I'm going to say to a very modest, considerate actor, so that I can set a date with him.
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But this all adds up
There is a chance that we might win, we might make a big point.
And that will hold us in a chance.
I would say the fourth of July is not that good.
If we don't get it then, then that chance is gone.
And then we will continue on our own withdrawal program.
And by that time, I will be,
You see, once I haven't got anything, then all I can say is that I can think straight out the old way.
Now, there's a very strange, it's a, it's a, I think there's a chance that it can work.
at least they did on the guys in this chair who's gonna figure it all out and only one guy running at one time and uh so that would be so adding up the announcement will be $100,000 in May 1st and December 1st and December 1st and December 1st and December 1st and December 1st
You understand when I talk about .
So we've got a hell of a lot going on.
We can safely do it.
And we should have drawn that in hard, at least.
We've got the political center and all that.
That's what we're talking about.
So that's the part of the plan.
I say plan.
The right is, you know, once the agreement comes back, they're ready to talk seriously about it.
on Friday the 2nd, a private talk that will take place between, probably about 30 to 50 in the main.
And that's the, the thing I want to send out about three days.
And it will take about three weeks for them to get their office back to me.
I don't want anything to go wrong.
And that's what, that's what's up in June.
Around June 30 to June 10.
And then,
We think you can hang it around and you will know in the fourth of July whether there's been a chance left.
And everyone is very, very, very direct about it.
They don't just apologize, they don't do that, they don't do that.
They don't negotiate with the fourth of July.
And after that, we'll have to make our own plans and do our own work.
And you see, this is quite a bit of a fight for death, because it's expired today, and it's hard to say.
It's expired, and it's not going to come.
We're going to have to take care of it, and we're going to have to collect it, and we're going to have to buy it, and everything else.
And it's not going to come.
So we're ready to make things work.
But tonight, on a fire night, I will put you off.
I will say why, and I'll go off on a few other questions.
I will say the beginning of all of this, and I'll say, you know, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Well, they wanted $60,000, but I couldn't go to $60,000 because no matter what you do, it's out of the game.
Sure, sure.
I don't know anything.
Nobody knows what it is.
Now, I assume, and I want to thank you on the basis of your conversation with the agreement, is that he will say he's not wrong.
He's not himself.
It's a matter of having him always be clean.
And I say he isn't part of the conversation.
He's only there to help.
He's not the man for the coverage.
So there's a conversation taking place with him.
We do not know what the conversation was, but the conversation has taken place with him already.
Yeah, but you've got Warren.
He's hired.
He's only a board.
But he's the chief of delegation.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
It's like your major.
It's your major's law degree.
I don't want to talk about it.
He is the top guy, the top guy.
You've got Lee Wong.
He's up there.
Right.
And of course, you can use the words, you know, that both Madden did.
And Wong D said, I believe, that one of the assembly terrorists
And we're prepared to negotiate on it.
And see, if they could do it from private as far as I've got them, it has to be.
And that's why the conversations we do, like I said, are in place.
It's great to see.
Now, we can't control senators and congressmen to come out and say, let's not do this or that or the other way.
And I understand that.
They're going to call for an immediate withdrawal or a withdrawal or a 30-person one-on-one.
But you understand, in order to have anything to negotiate with, you cannot.
I've already been told about .
If we get the right kind of deal, you know .
But we've got to have something to say.
You see, $184,000 is a man that's been forced to be .
Because let me tell you what $184,000 is.
You know, well, you're going to find somebody to call that .
You know, .
Which is fine, the way it's going to be.
See, the big thing that's coming up is that you're not going to see this with Laos, especially if they're going to move to Laos, which, as I said, it's still a half of a year ago.
A third of a year ago, they are watering off, and should be coming.
The other point I should make is that there is an encouraging, an honorably encouraging
Now, if you would follow the speeches made by Rechner, who was the president of the United States of America, very high, by party understanding, extremely high.
But not that it's taking place in Vietnam.
or something else.
Again, I'll tell you why we can't be .
There is something going on at the part of Congress that we can't judge.
It's a fight, apparently, and there are military people that are bucking against the forthcoming policy and the current implementation.
And there are political people who particularly perceive them certainly as a range of the best people in the United States of America.
And we think Russian people are important because they want to, they make the hate comments.
The German problem is word.
The Chinese would be a problem of word.
And the Chinese would be one of them.
None.
And I'm not going to comment here.
They're flat.
None.
If freshman comes up with big balls in his country and indications are known and good, what I do, if he comes up with, you know, with a man cool, then we will learn very quickly about non-communication.
And they will not be limited to, you know, people with...
Now this one, this one, now this one, I think we'll know by, I'll be able to tell you by the 10th of May.
It needs to be on or off.
And it's off when we've got to move in another direction.
But I, that's what I want to do.
So there are a couple of fellows in here that were hopeful, because we already gave you the hopes.
We found that we are in a situation where the Berlin thing is coming well.
That's our work.
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The Senators.
Everybody.
You felt it.
All of the drinks.
And it was just together.
It was a long chat.
He came out of that and was great.
There was a very, very people.
And we've got to stand firm in that.
We just cannot have this very pale light at all.
Now, I stand for the tributes that have gotten me voted for all this other night, but I'll be standing if we can be in a position where if we make it, make it kind of a reasonable offer that they just say, yeah, we just can't do that every time.
Because all we do, we're not, we have Israel on our neck, and we don't just lose the rush.
I mean, what nation in the world is going to be living over there?
Huh?
The British don't.
The French don't.
The Europeans don't.
So, we're playing as well as we can.
When it warms, that's the line.
You're right, I told you that before when I was here.
On the island.
I get both.
The one thing, in terms of her statement, is not that it's effective on Hitler, but it's effective on Saddam, because, you know, he's the national judge, and all the rest of it, they want to get rid of him.
I know that they want to do something rash, and I hope not.
And if I didn't help it, I don't know what they'd do.
They'd either leave us under a caragas, or we were in a mess there.
So, there she sits.
I appreciate the fact that the reading is made about love, which is a terrible thing to do.
I used to be amazed at what reading tells about success or failure and all that nonsense.
What happens?
what happened with the troops at all, and what happened with the country.
At least this knowledge is encouraging.
And I can make it very confident that this is not going to happen.
This is not going to happen.
The South Indians and the Eastern conservatives, if they're ready to educate these areas, they're going to do it now.
So that's where she is.
I can't tell you as much as you'd like to hear, as good as I can go right now.
There's where she stands, and I think that I'm coming up with a chance, which I never told you before.
I've said that we've got to keep it open.
This time, there's a chance.
And by that, I'd say 30%.
Well, it shouldn't, you want to go light of heart at some point, you'd better go wherever you want.
I mean, I'd like to be involved in a good time.
Well, I'd like to come, because I'll tell you, I think, you know,
All right, why don't you say that at the later date, we'll come to that.
Well, I won't say unless somebody gets to it, it might be tough.
But I was thinking every time... Well, we will say around that we plan a trip to Montana and after a little bit, we'll go.
And then I'll have a little couple of others.
Oh, yes.
We'll catch you then.
That's a good issue.
I'm going to walk that beach, as I told you.
I always wanted to.
I could not.
We have to do something.
Yes.
I could not forget, but unfortunately, I always think and remember, but it's a change.
Thank you, Mr. President.
I appreciate it more than I can say.
Well, we'll do what we can.
And the...
Thank you, sir.
Thank you.