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Hello.

Yeah.

Hi, Chuck.

I called Harris.

She probably heard you.

Yeah.

I told the minister, I said, no, it's worth it.

I said, no, it would be well if I were you.

or a couple of false questions because that certainly affects domestic attitudes.

And I said, after you finish this in about a month, understand that?

Or whenever you finish this, I want to check and bring him in so we can have a talk about this thing.

As a matter of fact, I might want to bring him in when he has his list of questions, because he might perhaps have some ideas to other questions that you might want to ask and see what I'd like.

Yeah.

Right.

Well, I think at that point that it might be that I...

I guess not in addition to the goddamn Domestic Councils.

I don't know if the questions they asked is really important.

You know what I mean?

Not all, but most of it has to do with that I really want to get really beneath the surface here and I don't want to end up with the usual stuff that everybody's for the environment and everybody's for consumerism and everybody's for this and that.

I'm not for that stuff, you see, and I want to find out how we can come around a little in that direction.

That's right.

Yeah, yeah.

The question is that, and the question of the water then, and all of that, and the question of John versus me, and the question of Jim.

That's why I told him I wasn't doing this to follow the polls, I was doing it to believe him.

And I had to find out what the problem was, where the people were, so that we'd know what the hell we had to do to turn around.

Well, it wasn't made in a Western country, that's for sure.

But what I'd let it be an hour or so, that's for sure.

Yeah, all right, all right.

Good.

But now, when you want to, you can bring him in on the president.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, and then have him down for a discussion, see?

Well, I think it would be useful.

It would be useful for me to, not only just the victims, but also useful for me to see it so that I can get my own thinking under the kind of questions that need to be asked.

I mean, we're having questions asked by domestic counsel people who don't know they're asked in the first place about politics.

That's the point.

They ask the shit-ass kind of questions that anybody, you know, who's a college professor would ask.

Well, I'm not interested in that.

I'm not interested in what their views are.

I'm really interested in digging beneath and getting away from the usual clichés and factual questions that they think they're supposed to ask because they sound like they're prepared for social science and they don't prove anything to me.

Right?

Yeah.

Yeah, I sent a memo on the, I probably haven't got it from him yet, but on the news summary I marked something on the BLS thing where Radder or somebody said he was on a appointment with him on the 86th.

Yeah.

Now, the point is, the question I raised is, first of all, I said, I showed somebody I supported,

How do we get the energy?

This is one you can't get over there before because they don't take it, and that's everything.

Second point is, you know, we have the most glimmer.

You never get a glimmer as to how this number ever comes down.

Now, my point is, though, there may be a lot in there that we don't have.

See my point?

And, um, yeah.

Yeah.

Six percent, I think.

Well, the point is, the point that I make is, what he was, somebody said, or rather, or somebody, that he doesn't know, is the number to come out next Friday is to be six percent.

That's correct.

That's not rather, or somebody.

My whole point is, whoever it is,

must have, or at least thinks he has, some line of an ending.

Now, of course, it's probably not true, because I remember the 70 campaign, they predicted a sharp increase in unemployment, and then it didn't happen, you know what I mean?

So, the BLS people could be feeding them, you see.

Yeah.

Well, that isn't, well, well, that's,

That doesn't, you know what I'm saying?

I'm going to show something.

Well, anyway, it doesn't bother us, but anyway, we'll do it now.

Yeah.

Well, now, the point is, let's find out, you know, what he bases this on, what he said he bases it on.

Yeah, okay.

What is it?

I'm trying to pick them all up.

What is the situation?

That's the devil I don't like.

Yeah, nothing we don't like.

What's your loss?

We have a house.

How much?

$53,000.

We got it again, so I guess we'll just have to go at it again next week.

Yeah, it just can't keep this going.

Right.

Okay.

Now nothing else is important.

Okay.

Right.

Other side.

Right.

I thought it was a beauty, my aunt gave me a good shot.

That's good.

Yeah, that's good.

My aunt gave me.

Oh, all right, yeah.

For a very sacred tradition coming from here.

This time though, I think if he doesn't get it, he'll walk.

I just can't see him stay again.

What about Lindsey?

You heard anything about him?

I heard he was supposed to go today.

Yeah.

Oh, unbelievable.

He finally came out against the horror houses in the 30 shows on Broadway, you know, on the 42nd Street.

Yeah, unbelievable.

Oh, it's disgraceful, disgusting.

I want to encourage you on some of the stuff.

Okay.

I'm waiting for him here.

Just encourage me.

We have a phone call.

We've got to get an emergency call prior to start.

We'll go into that dinner tonight.

Maybe you might have a little problem with that.

Well, I, uh, I don't, I don't know what it, I don't know what it relates to particularly.

I don't know all about it.

When you give me Mr. Bart Starr, the, uh, 3K actors, I don't know where he is.

What I was going to say, it relates again to Shepard.

First thing, let's get him down.

Second thing is, if we're really, really high on it, maybe we've got to get him, I don't know, get him in.

He's not an editor, he's a publisher.

He writes his speeches.

I don't know what his speeches are.

Maybe it takes him a hell of a long time to write speeches.

It might be that guy.

And also if I may have someone else that writes in it.

And if he does, maybe we can get that guy out.

Maybe.

But whatever it is, this guy's got a hell of a gift for writing.

And we've really got to shake up the whole thing in writing.

And frankly, it's, I don't tell you the word, it's bogus.

I don't think Ray is actually strong enough.

Well, you know, Shepard might need to die.

The business managers can run something.

That's Ray's problem.

I wouldn't want to maybe have Shepard run it.

Actually, what I think they might be, I don't know.

I can't tell you.

I can look at your personal speech, and we're reaching out and so forth.

But I really need a guy that can write to me, that can edit me, edit for me, and I'll show you what it is.

The only one on Ray's staff, I think, can probably do this.

He's so good at job management.

I don't know what he does.

But it comes back to another thing, too, Bob.

I feel so strongly about this thing that I want to get off.

I want to get off this mushy liberalism that impacts our whole domestic policy, you know.

I guess, come on in.

I didn't interrupt your meeting today.

I said that I don't, and I didn't want to interrupt.

But I, you see, let's say,

to say yes or no sign.

If we could get it to be followed by the shepherd, yes.

Or, frankly, writes like I think.

What you do is, why don't you talk to him?

You can't talk to him.

Yes, if you talk to him.

It's on a different kind of basis than on a longer term.

Absolutely.

It might be a year.

It might take a year, a year to do a campaign.

Yeah.

And it's a great experience.

We ought to come down and pay him.

He's got a lack of where to stand.

But, God damn it, I am doing something about the very things that he believes in.

Well, for a publisher, it doesn't hurt if you write or report or something.

I would say there's a few good publishers.

If anybody can pick him up in a minute.

But the problem is, he still thinks he can do more good for us than the publisher.

All of them.

Well, that's, well, I tell people to read, but some people don't.

No, I don't.

And they read lies, too.

A lot of people read lies.

But for everybody that reads, look, if he gets one presidential speech that sings a hundred times, you're going to hear that.

I mean, you're going to come down to it.

If it really sings, and if it is, you can do it.

It doesn't have to work back.

That's right.

It's the joke of the country, I mean.

Yeah, and sure, let me ask the back, but let's back our openness about the lack of press, you know, as compared to the television thing.

What we're talking about here is, is it important?

But in the Fall of Life Shepherds, he's done a lot of what he wanted to do.

In the Fall of Life Shepherds, he will look better than he was.

He's been doing some great stuff throughout.

But look, what I meant is in the Fall of Life Shepherds, he wants you to come in here and do it.

Because if he runs that, if he wrote that man, he's a hell of a writer.

You've got to listen.

Yeah.

So one night last summer, I was watching a New York Mets baseball game on TV when it started to rain and play was helping.

To kill time, I checked the other channels.

I found I had a choice between an old George Brown movie with Everett Center in second.

When I saw it's got a full-on punk show featuring a panel of men and women who were worried about our environment and wanted everyone else to worry along with them.

Well, I was already pretty worried that Mets had been losing from six to nothing.

But I stayed tuned to the panel, showing my attestment to the kind of people who frequently appear on television to analyze my complex technological processes here at Walmart.

They included, as I recall, a nightclub comedian, a retired architect, a Connecticut housewife, two lawyers, and a 20-year-old college student, making it a social unrest.

One of the lawyers, a serious young man with a playful mustache, did most of the copying together when he went to Iraq.

He began by stating, matter of fact, that because of the rampant deterioration of our environment, the Earth had become unhandable by the year 2000, and all human life would end.

I was scared to be absorbed in this geology news when he followed through with another vote.

This one concerned the famous populations.

According to the young lawyer, the number of people on Earth will double in the next 30 years and will redouble in the next 25 years after that.

So by the year 2025, there will be 14 billion people on this planet, all of them scrapped for food, water, and electricity.

But that didn't make any sense.

I waited for someone on the panel to point off the flaw.

I mean, if our polluted environment is going to kill every human being on Earth by the year 2000, where are we going to get those 14 billion people by the year 2025?

To my surprise, the point was never written.

In fact, the other guy was getting out of there right off the studio.

A goodly number of highly esteemed influencers convinced the integration of Earth to multiply by 5%.

called the Ding-a-ling Act.

But the common trust, they subscribe to a common trust.

The United States of America is in bad shape, horrible, and miserable.

But things are getting worse.

The Bigfoot is in cheap color.

And then Lesson 7, the Bill of Returns and Drafting Reforms Institute, we are all doing the economic, social, and environmental impact.

This is the disaster line.

They honestly believe in what they're doing, but some of the most appalling, outrageous in history have been perpetrated by sincere, animated people.

They're almost devoid of useful knowledge relating to the subject in which they are involved, and about which they talk or write in their daily practice.

The opinions of Americans today are the result of raising the most ridiculous concepts ever pointed on the priest's side.

The concept that when a crime is committed, the person who deserves community sympathy is the criminal, not the victim, not the policeman, the criminal.

The concept that the primary purpose of a university is to provide a place in which students can educate each

The concept is enunciated by a potential candidate for the presidency that the real heroes today are not the young Americans who are fighting and dying for us in Asia, but the young Americans who have run off to Canada to avoid fighting.

The concept of the United States, the only country in the world, with law not only to protect or improve but to provide them with professional help in housing and education and job training, that this nation is a racist nation.

The concept that if you're wrong, if you're prejudiced against other people, then must the other people happen to be hard-headed construction workers, career army officers, subject-wise, or spur of the anger?

In which case, it'd be right.

The concept that when North Vietnamese troops ruthlessly attack another country, it's an act of self-determination.

But when American troops go in to help defend that country, it's an invasion.

The concept of cigarette smoking should be outlawed, but marijuana smoking should be hated.

And he debunks all this stuff.

He debunks the whole damn consumerism business, showing that, for example, the number of people that die on the highways from miles on down and down and down in the spillways from the neighbors who got in.

this quality of air stuff, but the quality of air over every city in America has been improving and not worsening for many years.

The air we breathe today is sparse and buried in the air buried by our grandparents, which of course is true.

And the idea that water, the water supply in the present time in America has never been better.

Lake Erie is dead.

as to whether the benefits would be worth the cost.

But our fellow, and this is in our own government, I came out of my chair when I once heard on late TV, what I said was that Laker is dead because of the goddamned staff he was in.

He said, remember, the environmentalists were here.

And I said, is that true?

And he said, oh yeah, it's dead.

And I said, well, Lake Erie, if anything, is too long.

More fish are harvested from Lake Erie each year than from all the other great lakes combined.

Now, I'm in.

Now, I am goddamn pissed off at the environment we're putting out here.

The rest of the train did it, I'm sure.

Goddamn it, it's wrong.

Well, you went on every boat you know about it.

Yeah, I went out of Chicago after I got my state of the union crapping around about the environment.

Now, DDT, since its introduction 30 years ago, DDT, they're killing insects.

responsible for many diseases by making possible bumper food trucks, has saved the lives of literally tens of millions of human beings, and in consecutive cases of accidental misuse, it has never harmed a single person.

Yet, Rebecca Carson wrote a quote called Silent Spring.

Yeah, that's what I'm getting at.

What happened when the GDP gains came as well?

Many, many people got sick, and many, many people died.

One country, so on.

The use of BDT imported from the United States has reduced the actual number of malaria cases to 150 by 1961, and the number of deaths to zero by 1961 in Ceylon.

With its U.S. supplies cut off, Ceylon abandoned the use of BDT, and by 1968, the number of malaria cases had risen to over 2,012,000 residents in Ceylon are now dying of malaria each year.

And that's a pissy-ass little country.

That's what just takes the line.

Now they, they bleed about he, he is killing all the penguins.

Uh, not penguins, uh, pelicans.

Yeah.

I want the goddamn agriculture.

I'm getting goddamn pissed off.

This town.

Hello?

Yeah.

Hello?

All right, Bart, how are you feeling?

Well, I read about your operation.

I want to tell you that I'm going out in a few minutes to the Hall of Fame, where they're going to conduct the boys, and I felt that before going out, the best visit I could do would be to call you and tell you that I know you're going to be back, and that you're going to be better than ever.

This must be a hard thing to go through.

I suppose you just had to do it to get the old arm back in shape.

They think it will help.

That's the stuff.

Well, good.

Just be confident about it.

Right.

Well, you just keep at it and we'll be pulling for you.

How late in the season will you get back?

You can get ahead for some of the winter games.

That's right.

In the meantime, you've still got that gun fall in San Diego, haven't you?

Oh, you did it.

Oh, he's going to be in the picture now.

Okay.

Well, don't laugh anyway.

I'll get my vest for your wife.

Well, anyway.

The birth rate, this population is exploding.

The birth rate in every major country in the globe, including those in African Asia, has been dropping steadily and substantially for almost a quarter of a century.

The answer is they're basically opposed to the on-price system.

They can't oppose to their case for additional government .

Then he said, I wait patiently until my country can get back in the track of common sense.

I find myself increasingly optimistic because I see more and more signs of the era of movement which may be coming to an end.

Not long ago, England Brewster, the illustrious president of Cato University, admitted that a black revolutionary can't get a fair trial in the United States.

I have not given up hope for Dr. Brewster, and I'm happy to see that he's getting better.

There you are, there you are.

Pakistan ambassador called me up and said, he wants to know something unmitigated, whether Pakistan would use their influence with the Chinese to get him into D.K.

From which I deduced that they must have turned him down.

Yeah, he's going down there.

In the news something, I know that he's going down there to East Pakistan.

We expect it in August.

Now, I want the State Department to know that any son of a bitch that does more than give him just the amount, he is going to be fired, is that clear?

The consul general, I want this done by him.

And the AID people.

Well, I know, I know, but I want it understood.

Goddamn it, I took trips abroad and nobody ever helped me.

They are, you know, in fact, Erwin called me hard on that, just to cover their claims.

He said, and he had asked, and I told her,

And he had asked two people to come over to his house and brief him at home.

And Irwin had called it off.

Come to his house?

Yeah.

Goddamn, I came to the station fireman for every briefing, and I'm not going to allow it.

No, apparently they don't do that anymore.

They go up to the senator's office as a normal routine.

Yeah.

But Irwin had the point.

He said, I just want you to know, I've cut off the guy that's going to his house, and I'm getting them to agree.

Just broke one of them, told them nothing, and broke each other up.

But the nerve... Well, they refused to give recesses to every staff member.

They said they spent two staff members collecting materials to destroy them so they don't want them back.

And then he asked them to give him to the giant.

But he asked them to give him to the giant, and then he's not going to say who's going to stop him, but they're going to take him.

Follow the history trail, all right?

There is no rule.

They won't do it, but he shouldn't do it.

But it's really expected from the child.

When you tell the friendship with Yaya, and then talk him out of it, he thinks everyone is a whore.

But also the dog.

It's like he's coming to the dog school.

He's walking around there.

Son of a bitch.

They just expect their day to be good.

Well, you probably won't get it.

They do, they do.

I don't think they have a chance.

I don't think they have any defense.

I just can't worry enough about it, as I said.

He said he wouldn't go to Pakistan if he doesn't have that option.

But if he works through Ottawa...

He wouldn't have gone to the Pakistani school, he must have had the, he must have had the honor of not going.

Because that power is prophetic now that I think of it.

He told me he was not going to Kansas.

He's a friend of Kennedy.

Even Kennedy wouldn't go to Pakistan, he's been to some other...

I don't know.

It's all that it works.

Well, actually, I think that is a good sign, because the Pakistanis, he always said, he told them, he'd do better than I did.

I decided, he said, well, he's got a decoration.

I had one of our fancy pictures when I had the situation, and I said, well, I appreciate you.

I appreciate you for your service.

You inspired me on the color of the original.

I can't do that again.

And that'll be such a decoration.

That would be such an intelligent man.

He's a pastor.

He's got the best in the world.

I never mind those talking to the foreign pastors because they've got something to say about that intelligence.

I don't know.

I didn't say that.

Well, anyway, you've got, you've got, as I said, I want you to really shake up that goddamn domestic counsel staff so that they know that I don't believe, I don't want to have this environment stuff.

All the rest is the wrong line for me.

I don't believe it.

Okay.

The whole situation.

Oh, I got a bullet in the throat, so I'm going to be back tomorrow night.

I'm pushing up a week, a week and a half.

But the goddamn press would not cooperate.

They were off the record and frozen in their own spheres.

They were in their own spheres.

They've always had a medium speech.

They were off the record.

It is worth going and embarrassing every commission.

Oh, good.

Well, you're a good man.

You're a little safer up there.

You know what?

I think it's part of that point of the challenge.

They get the impression that this is the, and some of the impressions are, this is the storm on God, this is the storm on Christ, this is the storm on Jesus, this is the wind, this is the profound movement.

on their part, and a profile on our part.

And I'm sending them little tidbits every once in a while to show them that we're playing fair.

And those that have something we can cut off, for example, I'll send them a note on Monday, three days, one.

One is a negative one.

I won't tell them that the motherfucker wasn't lying to me.

It's a good one.

God, they hate me because of it.

I can't believe that we can answer that driving proposal for a $5,000 contract.

We've decided not to answer this.

And you're trying to let it drop?

You're trying to let it drop?

I don't know.

Do you do this through parents?

I guess not all the time.

I don't know.

Do you do this through parents?

I guess not all the time.

I don't know.

And I sent the political signals.

For example, the same message that Kutcheff wrote that Kutcheff gave initially in Taiwan about political things, as I said.

So if you guys are listening to this now, some of you may be able to follow this.

I'll see you in a little bit.

Thank you very much.

And I'm going to leave you by the time that the China team returns.

It also tells them that if they don't behave, I've cut off this woman.

Oh yeah.

And they also said that, uh, the father-father, uh, we had based a bureau in Ohio.

We announced that they were going to go to China.

But the D.D.

is going to go to China.

I don't think any good thing can be done to a child.

I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, you know, in any way they can handle a few problems.

But I think they're going to get better.

I think what they will do, my judgment is not...

I think what they will do with my judgment is, they will sign a statement of principles, which, and then, that would then have to be relegated to the Senate.

Then, if you wish, the election, they won't have to do it.

But if we have, that has been the advantage to us, in that statement of principles, it would be,

and close with the deadlines for the next trip.

And if there's talks and deadline gaps in the future, I think we can get back to deadline on us as a country.

And it's not close, not all, but it is new.

And technically, it will give us almost nothing in the new U-10 room.

The best coast, it wasn't 10 to 8, it was 400, but it's U-10 now, so to speak.

Oh, anything.

Okay.

Well, it's hard to know anything.

The world is not going to come.

Am I meeting a domestic reaction, of course?

If we can, it would be interesting to put that down as a piece of history.

Oh boy.

I think really the history of the China thing, I mean, again, people have a sense.

You've spent the same time in the history of the area.

And there's been a wave of others too.

And if we think of that as a part of the game, we're on the way back from the time of the World Trade Center and the war that's been going on.

but after that

Either they were settled, because men were going to be like them, or they were settled because, uh, human beings were going to be like them.

That would be, I think that

We are, we are, we are of course

They shared it in October, you know.

I don't think that bothers us.

We're so far off the front on that.

And I don't get the delay after my trip.

And then I'll go again and I'll go to that road.

And then you'll go.

Yeah, even if Kennedy stays probably in subject, he doesn't come here often.

And if he gets up there, that'll be a hell of a flight.

If they did it that way, then you see the problem coming in.

I don't expect to take a second here.

This is my advantage.

If you're going, it doesn't have to be much, but if you're going in 72, give them less time to worry about something.

Thank you.

Well, it is just a question.

Obviously, the Cardinal Great of Vietnam, he also won the Chinese Civil War.

But then I can't see anything.

I suppose Henry would have said, where do I need to go to kill now?

You bet it, Henry.

It would have been very good.

It's a little worse from the weather point of view, but that's true.

I don't think the weather makes a whole lot of difference.

I don't know.

They go out there and eat cold.

They'll either have droughts or they won't have droughts.

They're one way or the other, and they'll have a mountain.

The weather is going to make it there.

Exactly.

Let's play it that way.

Let the weather eat cold.

No, actually, February would be the best, and it would be a good day in terms of the temperature.

No one would stay away from the temperature.

I have a little theory also about December because this didn't really say December.

I said December.

And then they said, that's what I'd do, that I'd pay for that, and then, you know.

Yeah, I wasn't trying to do that.

It goes a little about that.

I thought that when I go there, not every day, instead of here, a lot of times when you go there, I'd rather, I'd rather just negotiate with them and say, I'm not going to do this.

It's February.

And we can't do it before that.

It's better to do it in February.

And actually, I do that to spend time with my husband.

February would be the best time.

It really is.

I'm going to be a dentist.

But on the Kennedy thing...

Let us suppose, now that you've gained my attention, that you see what may happen, you see what may happen, but they are communists.

The communists in the international world, the left-wingers, the left-leaning communists of the left, would actually be urging them to see whether you know why they don't like them or not.

One, they think you're the better position and you should be graduating.

Effectively, all the Democrats, I found, there was a company professor who had created a show and wrote it, you know, more naively than you.

And he said one reason he thinks that the truth doesn't lie to Democrats is because the Democrats are all friends with those guys.

And he knows that it'll put him in a good place for the governor, and he thinks he's going to have a good time.

And, uh, for the matter of fact, the Democrats in the State Department are also in favor of the Russians.

Because they're not being honest with the people and all that.

The whole State Department hired him.

He's a part of pro-Soviet America.

So I'll second that for the Soviets.

I'm saying it's correct.

Now, uh,

Uh, maybe, because we don't know what will go on in their minds.

Except that if they do go on with this, I would think we ought to make an effort to press on them in another way if we can.

What would you do with them?

I would pretend they wouldn't.

But, in fact, maybe not.

They'd be very careful.

We don't know.

But if they do come, if they come to, yeah, if they do, they should, they can try to stay here.

Other people should take the chance to try.

It can't be in their interest.

Whatever they want, they have to get through it.

It can't be that it's going to happen.

Kennedy would never have asked, but we've done it.

We've done it.

to go to that country or not.

I don't know if you ever know.

I don't know.

I think that is what's on the internet, what's on the web.

Well, on the other hand, knowing the

I'll do it if it works.

There's no way you can.

It's just really hard.

You can't because the telephone is running against it.

Get as fast as you can as you can, as soon as you have the speed, as soon as you have the speed, we're going to have a good time.

For sure, I've been seeing a few people go after us, but you know, we're going to have a good time.

Okay, we're going to have a good time, as soon as we have the speed.

And I just want to give you a strong vision, and I think we're going to have a good time.

Life is going to be great.

We're going to be making a great mistake.

Do you think it all has to be .

I don't know.

They'll give a hell of a lot.

Yeah, they're going to put that gate in the gate corner.

After these, these guys are going to start lecturing the Chinese that the Russians are not aggressive.

It's in their plan.

And if they go, if they go talking to China that will build up, you with the Russians, because then it will...

So, uh, well, like I said, we don't borrow trouble on it.

As they treat the other minority people, they've had, you know, leaders and various people

They don't give them a big crush point.

It might be that they have a lot of that kind of discussion.

I wouldn't tell them that they don't need their money.

They have no incentive, Mr. President, prior to your visit, to tell them they will not have the university, depending on how they judge.

Things are breaking.

They may do it, but before, it's in their interest to have you as a respected world leader.

Okay, give the little boy my best, will you?