On January 11, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Col. Richard T. Kennedy, and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:30 pm to 3:15 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 401-026 of the White House Tapes.
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Thank you.
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I'm sorry.
I'll get back to you, Charlie.
Uh, my guest sent us, uh, I'm sure we'll ask him, but, uh, he wasn't, sorry, he didn't want to have it, uh, Paris, not good, Paris time on Saturday.
So I went there, got up here, and I just, uh, asked, I don't, it's back here again, but it's my doctor, and I just went there.
Uh, thank you.
Saturday night.
Saturday night.
Thank you.
Good.
Good.
Good.
Good.
We tried trick-or-treating out of the backlight.
I think, uh, actually, maybe too much so that, uh, you know, we'll have to, uh, just, you know, try to enjoy it a little bit.
We're going to do it in one second.
We're going to do it in one second.
We're going to do it better off in one second.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Well, I don't want to sit there.
Uh-huh.
I don't want to sit there.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't need to say I don't need to
See, the light is quite about to, quite about to, unless I can walk, it's just a little bit, I don't want to walk, I don't think I can go on my own.
That's the problem here, I hear him, he says something.
Don't you know all the way there, sir, I think what's happening?
I don't think that is the problem.
And, uh, what that means is that we could have, say, a much lower G than what we have here.
And, uh, you know, you know, I would say that, uh, you know, I would say that, uh, I would say that, uh,
You see, if I ever go on the aid game, I'm told, in the city, that I announce an agreement with the President of the Republic, and all the rights and persons concerned, gentlemen, don't do it, sir.
There's nothing else to go on.
Henry, the role, the other day, when you mentioned it, was very important to us.
The people we had, it wasn't them.
The other way you can do it.
That person I got to say what?
Thank you.
Well, let's see.
There's a possibility that...
That seems to me to be the most likely question.
It's worth a little while.
It's worth a little while to be very substantial, at least.
It's worth a little while to be very substantial, at least.
I don't know if it's only fair.
We need to announce it in the evening.
We need to announce it in the evening.
We need to announce it in the evening.
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And then, uh... And the CD would do that on the CD.
And then I would try to make it equally dark, so when I put it on the CD, it's good.
Right?
Just the two of them.
Though my work wasn't good, so...
Now, eight times more than he chose to drag his feet.
When you're going back, and he's like, he chose to drag his feet, he's coming to the house.
Does that drive you?
Where?
Out of the moment.
But the fact that he said something like that, he said something crazy.
And we're assuming now he's afraid of what's going to happen.
What's going to happen?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm not going to tell you some of the subjects today, but there is an announcement I'm going to make on that.
I'm not going to force you on it, because the language is in front of me.
I think that now I think we're going to have a good look at the law.
I think we should know that we're going to have a good look at it.
We're going to look at it to support the traffic today.
I don't know what you're saying, but I don't know what you're saying.
I don't know what you're saying.
I don't know what you're saying.
I don't know what you're saying.
I'm supposed to be patient.
I'm supposed to have a separate assignment out.
That's not a bad thing.
It's the right thing.
The right thing is to wrap it up as far as possible.
With this kind of agreement, what we've got, we are going to get to the mile, and that's where
We'll be in a second.
We know where they're going.
We're still doing that.
We're actually on the right.
They ain't going to have to follow through.
We're going to follow through.
We're going to follow through.
We're going to follow through.
Yeah, yeah.
I think he's still worried about that.
Yeah.
I corrected that after our conversation this morning.
I said, yeah, thank you.
That was my question.
We're going over the value.
Right.
I was not paying precisely for that answer.
We don't want to break the laws.
If he gives us the clear signal that he intends to do just that, come with us, but asks for two or three days to give us that last two days, there's no reason to do this.
But if he does that, we have plenty of time.
If he gets there on the 15th or the 16th.
So I'm going to talk.
We're going to go to the left side and we're going to go to the third.
The initial goal is to go to the third.
Yes, I did.
There's one more.
The way they made it home, the people here had to eat them for dogs, they were a non-singer, right?
What made things a better thing than this?
Let me say, first, everything changed a few generations ago.
A few years ago, it would be my intention, probably, to walk myself, you know, at this point.
What the hell have I had to do on this earth?
Okay.
Okay.
That's what I'm saying.
Either way, this leads up
I wouldn't have to say what the agreement was, what it means, all of it.
It's a reasonable principle.
And the principle now, I'm just going to address the technical details of that.
The red line here says the right line is straight, and the black line here is straight.
So, it's a different channel.
So, I'm going to go ahead and go on double.
So, what I'm going to do is I'm going to go on double.
So, I'm going to go on double.
What?
I think we got it there.
I don't think any of us in the right of that would have done it.
I don't know what they want to do.
There's just one.
That's not correct.
I don't know what they want to do.
I don't know what they want to do.
I don't know what they want to do.
I don't know what they want to do.
I don't know what they want to do.
I don't know what they want to do.
Right, I think what had happened is that on the early restriction, Henry was the one who just, you know, on the early restriction, you know, this was, this was in the show, actually, and it's like, yeah, well, that's how they had to go.
It's changed.
They had to realize that this wasn't a good idea at all.
This inspiration has changed.
And then you get the circumstance of a shuttle between side-off and away side-off.
Yeah.
It would have looked all right, right?
That's right.
It would have looked all right.
That's a good point.
Yeah.
It would have done.
It would have done.
It should have done first, right?
But it's right now.
I can't think of where it's going.
I don't know where it is.
I can't say it, but I, uh, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know what you're talking about.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Which is not important.
It's different.
In the former case, that there would be a number of things still in the amounts.
Yeah.
All right.
Okay.
In the case of the state, as I hear it now, it would be very simple that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,
Uh, president, the legislature, the president, the vice, the vice president, the vice president, the vice president, the vice president,
I'm stressed.
I'm at the destination of the fourth day of the month.
That's when I really get stressed a lot.
I don't finish when I get fired on the third day of the month.
It doesn't go on for a long time.
I might get set for a bandage, which I think there's some.
It seems to me very clear that there's just very little chance that they're going to make a big change in Montana at this time.
I think so long as, so long as we make the point to meet them, we want to make sure that they understand that we could.
Now, as you probably know, it's going to be three hours in my building.
They did, they had certain things they said they were going to do.
I don't know, but I don't know.
No, I understand that.
I understand that.
In addition, I don't want to talk about the war.
I want to make this as far as I can in that context.
I understand that.
I understand that.
I understand that.
I understand that.
I understand that.
I understand that.
I understand that.
Then he put out the titles and started writing this.
And anyway, that's why I don't think it's going to make it.
Right.
And not only that, but it's going to be announced on its own character line.
It's going to be recorded on its own character line.
It must be recorded on its own character line.
You know what it's like?
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What is it?
What is it?
What is it?
What is it?
I think it's too dangerous to do that and to put in public, you know, a spot for it, a place for it.
Although I, in defense of his enemy, just make him go bite that bullet because he's got a gun.
If he makes a bleak bounce from it, then he's all ready.
So I'm just going to, I'm not going to have that anymore, you know, for him.
You see, he'll have it with balls.
If he ever starts leaking out, if he's going to go off, then I will go off.
I will announce it, you know what I mean?
I'm not saying that you're going to have to do it all by yourself.
That's not a bad thing to do.
You know what I mean?
Not a bad thing to do.
I agree.
Location of the drug off.
It's not, it's not, I mean, it's not a drug.
It's not a drug.
It's not a drug.
It's not a drug.
It's not a drug.
It's not a drug.
It's not a drug.
It's not a drug.
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I wanted to ask you another question.
The reason is that I want to get away from the lights.
If there's a break, however it is, we're having to have a big break.
We're having a lot of support in the break.
We've got to hold on to that for now.
We're talking.
I want to get away from the line of fire and the crescent lights that come by.
We can't resist when it's hot.
It kills us on the city.
But while I was in the system, I also never wanted to be intentional in the world.
Nothing was intentional.
Never.
We don't laugh.
But the other day, I was in the bathroom with the others.
We were laughing at each other.
We were cursing each other.
We were cursing each other.
We were cursing each other.
We were cursing each other.
We were cursing each other.
We were cursing each other.
We were cursing each other.
Very important.
You know how it is.
I know it.
It's like the back of my hand.
You don't know how much it gets away, but it's just the way it goes.
And we all have to do that.
That's it.
That's it.
That's it.
That's it.
That's it.
That's it.
That's it.
That's right.
Yeah, well, I definitely haven't.
I'm not going to.
I'm not going to.
I'm going to.
So I want to go ahead and go ahead.
I'm going to go ahead and explain what I should do.
I'm going to go ahead and explain what I should do.
They twisted around what they said was wrong.
They said something wrong.
They said you're lying.
They said you're lying.
They said you're lying.
They said you're lying.
They said you're lying.
They said you're lying.
They said you're lying.
of the, of the air station and nothing to do with it in the world.
And, basically, all he was doing was doing his military briefing.
So, he came out and said, well, he was supposed to do this on the 12th, but he had a father, he had to work, but he did not work on September 1.
He kept, kept, said, well, I've got to discuss, you know, the air station this morning.
I'm here to tell you what we did, what we did, what we did, what we did.
This is me, Congressman, Congressman, Congressman, Congressman, Congressman, Congressman, Congressman, Congressman, Congressman, Congressman,
I don't know, I just don't think about it any more.
I said, you know, this is the right thing to do.
I said, you know, I just don't think about it any more.
I said, you know, I just don't think about it any more.
I said, you know, I just don't think about it any more.
I said, you know, I just don't think about it any more.
I said, you know, I just don't think about it any more.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
It's just this, this press central guy, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike,
I don't know.
Well, I'm telling you, it's better for you.
So, let me ask you for somebody who doesn't know anything.
And I have simply, whether it's restraining or not, and I have simply said to Carl, I've simply said, you know, I don't know.
I don't know.
For example, they asked why didn't you do it?
They didn't ask what the law meant.
They said, of course, there's a ban on this.
They said, of course, there's a ban on this.
They said, of course, there's a ban on this.
They said, of course, there's a ban on this.
They said, of course, there's a ban on this.
They said, of course, there's a ban on this.
They said, of course, there's a ban on this.
They said, of course, there's a ban on this.
Uh, was it done for the purpose of bringing it back to the table?
I'm not going to comment on that.
Uh, they should express that, because if they ever say anything like that, that would infuriate our guests.
I mean, they're saying, I don't know, they just tell them that, but they're not speculating on that at all.
I'm not going to comment.
Is that why you didn't?
I'm not going to comment on that.
At least, what is important is to bring it back to the table.
Uh, what about the negotiation style?
They are serious now.
They were criminalists before.
I think they can say that.
Do you agree?
That's right.
They're serious now.
Uh, you might just think that they're not succinct, though.
They're terrible.
They're serious now.
Okay.
They're terrible.
I must say, this one is a hell of a job.
So, I'm trying to make it work.
Yes, they are.
Yes, they are.
Yes, they are.
I see it.
I see it.
I see it.
I see it.
I see it.
Well, I know it's not that I regret it.
It was just great.
I was just delighted.
It was very hard.
It was way off my level.
It was just, it was very hard for me.
It was icing.
Icing her with the portability of her mind.
But you see, and then, and then I didn't mention for a long time, that's it.
I was just tired of it.
They should quite often impress me.
I can't do it.
I don't appreciate it.
Now, even though the negotiations were underway, at this point, now, the negotiations right after the meeting, they, uh, we do not know what's going to happen, but at least, uh, as long as there is any chance at all of responding to members of the Congress, that would be great.
But, honestly, it goes far and away.
What about the president?
What about the president?
What about yourself?
What about yourself?
Because we haven't agreed on the other side, that there will be no discussion of the substance.
One of the questions I have for us is, if I, as the President, wouldn't like very much to report to the House, would I specialize in the fights that would be on other commissions of the President's House, and serve other public and international interests, with the President warning the Congressional Secretaries to incur it, warning the Congress about the services of the Commission, violating the agreement with the Senate,
I didn't think I could destroy any chance of success.
I told them not to hand me that office.
I told them to call the president exactly what he said.
I'm not going to be quiet.
That's the best report I'll ever get.
I said to the city, that's what I'm going to do, sir.
I said, make each other say, sir.
I said, I don't think this will be exactly what I said.
You might get out, but that's what I said to them.
I would say that, I mean, I'd say you should give them hard anxiety in the practice.
was not involved, they weren't involved with the, the negotiations with the government, and they were also involved with the government.
So, you know, the, the, the GAN involved, the sophisticated powers, and it was not an imposter, and that's a myth, but it was not an imposter, and the, the, the second imposter, the, the, the, the,
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make sure it's going to be a proper question and answer.
They're clever, but they're not good at it.
Then they get hard.
I guess that's the question.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Yes.
That is one of the things that we want to do.
Don't say that.
Don't say that.
Because that's what the question is.
We want to know what's going on.
We want to know what's going on.
Yeah, I'm just, I'm worried that as soon as we, as soon as, when it's not, when it will not destroy it, when it will not endanger the negotiations.
And that means when we have agreement on both sides, then you can go back to the October 26th.
What happened there was the NOR broke that agreement and revealed that there was a question of that difference.
That was when Dr. Dichter, he didn't break it.
Uh, the coroner was simply confirming the fact that, you know, that, uh, in some cases, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that Dr. Dichter confirmed the fact that we had, remember, we were very close to the grave.
But now, uh, at this point, negotiations are back on the track.
Uh,
I didn't hear it.
When he gets back, as soon as he gets back, we'll call him again.
When he gets back before they go on the program, then you should call him.
so that they at least will know that it's on the way, sir.
How's that?
Yes, sir.
I was just going to say, get us back.
And we don't know.
It might be Saturday or Sunday.
If they get back by that time.
So I think we should really have a very important thing to talk to someone.
I didn't know.
I figured I was in this country.
And I said, as long as I can.
I was trying to understand.
Yeah.
I figured that you were just leading them.
Is that it?
Yeah, I'm just saying.
Not a lot of trouble.
Yeah.
And then you see Sunday morning, you'll get them on the floor and say, got it back.
That's true.
There's been some progress here.
There's been some progress.
I know.
We're not going to have another progress, but one day we'll do it.
I don't know if we're saving that for the following.
Why don't we make the rush and say we're going to do it?
The last time we were going to do it at the same time.
But not in this one.
No, but this one's different.
Oh, Fred, I have to have two announcements now.
That's what I'm going to say about it.
You see, the announcement came to the publisher, and that's the guy who had to do that.
Yeah.
Uh, I don't think so.
Yeah.
The next day, I'm going to say it to the next day, the announcement to the mounting board.
Why don't we save it for the next day?
The mounting board.
You see what I mean?
We don't need two stories.
That's right.
I think it's really better if you might put that in everything that I feel that the announcement of Higgs may build up in my respect of what I would like to do in this country.
It's to announce Higgs to partnership.
I think the better point is Higgs to partnership.
And around the world.
It goes up.
And it basically does progress.
It does progress.
It does progress.
It does progress.
It does progress.
But, you know, they're the first to say, yeah, we're going to do it.
We're going to do it.
We're going to do it.
I think we ought to announce it.
We should prevent it this much.
I think the bombing called it up.
Stop this.
Stop it early.
No, no, but you can announce it.
You can announce it.
Just announce it.
I wish you'd know this.
That's all right.
But you've got to announce it early.
If you're going to signal it, you should.
I think you ought to get that in the message.
That's all right.
And the only thing on this one now, as we have, since we have now alerted Al to the human informant, I just think, I think he, I don't want any company for the damn thing floating around.
Sir, I think you might have Al come over and read this and give me my thoughts regarding the other thing.
Yes, sir.
Do that.
Okay.
Sir, can I say anything at all this evening?
No.
Do you think you should?
Well, as close to time as we're getting now, if I had any, it would be only 36 hours, and I don't know how much time.
And, uh,
We don't want to take her.
What?
Hold on.
Hold on.
I'm sure he would not.
I know he would not.
What did they say?
I think we just want to ask you, General, if you don't mind this man.
He didn't get anything.
You say?
General, certainly he doesn't.
Yeah.
I'm sure Jerry doesn't say something that I'm sure he doesn't.
Let me have a look.
All right.
All right.