Conversation 442-001

TapeTape 442StartMonday, June 4, 1973 at 10:16 AMEndMonday, June 4, 1973 at 11:19 AMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President)Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building

On June 4, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 10:16 am and 11:19 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 442-001 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 442-1

Date: June 6, 1973
Time: Unknown between 10:16 am and 11:19 am
Location: Executive Office Building

The President played a portion of a recording of a meeting with John W. Dean, III.

[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was initially prepared for the
Watergate Special Prosecution Force (WSPF) and can be found in Record Group (RG) 460, Box
172, “Transcript of a Recording of s Meeting between the President and John Dean on February
28, 1973 from 9:12 to 10:23 a.m.,” pages 32-48; Statement of Information, Book III, Part I, pages
663-687 (47-71); and Statement of Information, Book VII, Part IV, pages 1780-1782 (59-61).
The Nixon Presidential Materials Staff reviewed the transcript and made changes as necessary.
This transcript has been reviewed under the provisions of the Presidential Recordings and
Materials Preservation Act of 1974 (PRMPA). The National Archives does not guarantee its
accuracy.]

[See also Conversation No. 865-14]

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The President stopped the recording at an unknown time before 11:19 am

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

Ladies and gentlemen, please remain seated.
So, the theory is that we should have the application in June.
I'm impressed with some of the case arguments that Scott and the others were arguing with the committee that might have brought in the mandate to include other elections.
They were getting around some of the interpretive cases before they did develop that.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I had a hand-to-hand talk with a vendor.
I've known the vendor for 20 years.
The first manhole life I ever met, his parents knew me.
I was a roommate in school yet.
So I talked to the man.
I agreed to the man.
I would say
Good.
A great story.
It's late this week.
More likely sometime next week.
I guess it's late.
Well, hey, today there's been problems with preparing the pre-sentence report.
The judge sent out probation officers.
I know everybody who's been asking for those videos.
We're trying to work on this for eight months.
You can probably tell that they've been interrogating officers for more than normal probation reports.
They're trying to, uh, appeal to the investigation by the judge himself, but he didn't really set up any rules here.
So, they got there and they completed an out-of-state U.S. Attorney's Penalty, which is the only thing possible about a 30-mile-an-year camp.
Um, you're talking about a 30-mile-an-year camp, right?
So, we're going to wait for you to write a 30-mile-an-year letter to us.
So, that's what we're going to do.
That's what we're going to do.
They, uh, that's what they said to me.
I'll be flashing a little bit here, a little while later.
And, uh, and, uh, they gave me two meters, and they were waiting a minute, a minute, I don't know, on the phone, during the time, and he, he said, he said, he felt he could not get out.
And, uh, they had a deal, they were doing well, all at once.
Husband, he's a volunteer, they all went to jail.
They got $100,000.
Sure, if you want to go to the beach, they have to put up a natural cloud.
I mean, I don't need to go to my house now.
The Coral Field has been sitting for two weeks.
They're better now.
I'll have them review it with the volunteers.
I know you don't need to go out and prepare the beach.
They're quite a good place to go.
I'll have them evaluate the Coral Field.
Okay, that's okay.
Uh, you know, on the digital, uh, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
That would be easier to be closed off.
He's ready for an attack to keep the city awake today.
I don't think he can last.
We're gonna have to work from now.
Detroit.
Yes.
Well, I would like for your recommendation to say, folks, I don't want to be involved anymore.
I mean, if there's nothing we can do, I don't need to do anything.
I don't need to do anything.
First of all, are you guys going to get a full bar?
Are you going to get a year or two?
Are you going to get a year and a half?
Are you going to get a year and a half?
Are you going to get a year and a half?
When it comes to car deaths, you can't do it alone.
You can't do it all by yourself.
You can't do it by yourself.
You can't do it by yourself.
You can't do it by yourself.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I have all the labels in the next three, all four years.
I know it's going to be three years, but it's going to be three years.
And finally, I'm going to go back.
I'm going to go back to where I was when I said it.
It's going to be four years.
It's going to be four years.
It's going to be five years.
No, I haven't done any of this stuff yet.
Uh, usually I don't want to go to bed.
Probably early in the morning.
Morning was a bad day.
Well, at least I didn't want to be screaming.
And probably I didn't do any good work out there.
I probably didn't work in my office.
Uh, an intern here at White House out there writing good morning was a sweet man.
And, uh, not doing a lot of good work.
Yeah, it was on the scale.
So we've been looking to find a way to go through life without getting stuck.
And we've been getting on this as bad as we can.
And we've got time to go through it all.
I can say for a fact that today was so rough.
It was.
It was.
It was.
The other thing is the coordination.
That's why they use a little bit of a barrier system.
A lot of times, a lot of times, a lot of times, a lot of times, a lot of times, a lot of times, a lot of times, a lot of times, a lot of times,
We're going to be marching with our lives, better than ever, because we love energy.
Uh, uh, I deserve to be here.
I love to be here.
I'm strong.
I'm going to be happy to be here.
I don't think we'll last, slightly, without energy.
Uh, we're winning without energy, because that's what I'm saying.
We're going to be powerful without energy.
I read the book, and it was written in English, and it was a rough job.
I took it later on, and I learned from it.
He said, well, I'm going to be here.
Well, he said, I'm going to be here for a long time.
I'm going to be here for a long time.
I'm going to be here for a long time.
I'm going to be here for a long time.
I'm going to be here for a long time.
I'm going to be here for a long time.
Well, there you go.
It's not like I wanted to do that, sir.
Sir, I mean, he was not including me.
That was one of your properties.
He didn't bother, I guess.
But, you know, what do you want?
Can you handle the fact that he's not going to get a search?
No way.
No way.
Whatever it says, I can't really go in the direction.
Direction, I'm telling you, I'm not going to go anywhere.
I'm just going to sit here.
I'm just going to sit here.
I'm just going to sit here.
I'm just going to sit here.
I think it would be good for me to talk to you guys and get advice on getting some of the respect you want over 70,000 clients and those we have to grow up.
And all companies are going to need some of these Democratic coaches that are hopeful that I can see the right kind of clients.
So, yeah, that would not be all that I'll pay for calls.
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Thank you.
Thank you.
So he told me about a deal that was starting to come up.
And he said, you know, sorry, it's a little bit weird to say, but I'm going to say it.
I'm going to say it.
I'm going to say it.
He said, you're going to pay me.
That's what I said.
And I didn't want to mention it.
He said, you know, you're going to pay me.
So he said, this is all private.
And he said, you know, here's what you're going to do.
You're just going to break off my organization.
You're going to break off my organization.
You're going to break off my organization.
You're going to break off my organization.
You're going to break off my organization.
I don't want him to say anything.
I don't know.
I just want to tell them that this is part, certain part, and this is like the biggest part.
It's right down the line.
I got a little bit, you know, we got a guy that's got a lot of money on him, and I'll say, when you come to the world, you can work out a better quality work, and you can be responsible for that.
So that's what I'm trying to do.
We got a guy that's a manager.
Check this.
The lawyers never really used to say, oh, I don't think that they did.
I could ask them to purify it out, and then they'd put it on the court, because that's the hard part.
It's not the end.
It's not the end.
It's not the end.
It's not the end.
It's not the end.
It's not the end.
It's not the end.
I do.
I do.
I do.
I do.
I do.
We are ready to take off.
We are ready to take off.
Ready to take off.
We're trying to lie to you out here and say, I'm part of these candidates.
I'm not a part of that issue.
I'm just a pro.
A pro-plot.
I'm not a candidate.
And you have to be.
You have to be.
You have to be.
You've got to be, you know, I told people this.
We don't want to have a race that we can't remember.
It's a race that we can't remember.
It's a race that we can't remember.
It's a race that we can't remember.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I've waited 10 years to find a part of my life where I feel like I'm grounded, where I feel like I'm a part of my life, and I feel like I'm a part of my life.
I'm sorry, but my point is, if anything works in that direction, then we'll just, basically, we'll just come up with a new policy.
Huh.
and so forth and so on and so on.
We got it in about a half a million years ago.
We were very late.
We just tried to do it, but it was actually on the bench.
So we had to go there, and she was all along, and no doubt, we were dealing with things in that way, and the sentence did not become reasonable, and I think that's the reason for that.
We trained in a way where she was not able to use the sentence.
For all of us, we certainly had no certainty as to what the sentence was going to be like.
Great.
Great.
Thank you.
You know, you know, you know, you know, you know,
I don't know if we can hear it on the floor.
No, I'm so sorry.
I didn't mean to be an impactor.
I'm sorry.
I don't think so.
I have nothing to say about it.
I worked with him for a number of years.
I worked with him for a good amount of years, and I think his desire to do the right thing.
I tried to, you know, take it up with him.
By the way, his boots are terrible for putting outside, so...
He didn't become, he did become bitter to be cut back and wait for you to come back in.
Uh, he did try to force or blackmail his way around, but it's not like he can.
But I know back on time that he is a reliable man who thinks of regular demonstration and abuse.
The only thing that's a problem with me is that Peter is gray and that I'm just a kid that I should have.
I'm not hard, I'm just a devil, and that's what really helps me.
And so, I need to spread the time.
It works for me.
I can go through the pictures and the problems.
I can do this to Peter because I'm making all the important stuff up there.
It's a little awesome.
There's no doubt about it.
You want to see it, go to the back of the line.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
There's a very evil track in Europe, at least the theater is a long time apart.
I don't have a foggy sense of the background, I really, I don't think there's a chance of winning.
I'm sorry, I can't make it really.
I've got to go.
I've got to go.
I'm a little tender.
I said, I've never gone through that point.
But you can't go through that point.
But there's a, there's a capacity for our, you know, our Jewish friends to come.
We can have that where it is.
We've already gone down.
It's the ritual for our faith to go to China.
In fact, our mission is to come to China.
We all need our own.
Alright, that should run it.
I really have my officers, I really have my goals, and I'm not a kid, but I want to learn how to do it.
Well, I'm not a kid, but I want to learn how to do it.
He delivered to me.
He delivered to me.
Because he wanted me to operate.
And then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then,
They gave it to her.
I don't know if it's like that for those kids.
I don't know if that's part of what happened to her, but she gave it to us.
They're carrying this stuff right now.
I don't know if it's like that for those kids.
I don't know if that's part of what happened to her, but she gave it to us.
I think one of the things we'll have to watch very closely, for example, if you let it go, if you let it go, you know, you could, if they make themselves let it go through all these areas, that it is, it is more, you know, because if a death is just made so often, even if it's not seen as made so often, there's just a,
It's pretty inundated.
They have been heavy.
I can't deal with it.
I can't deal with it.
Right.
Lady Ann McCord, who was back in the department, will both be on the field.
And we don't know how long that will last.
Thank you for working with us.
We want you to take a look at what I do to stay on in the club.
So if that's not the right answer, we'll refer to you on our team.
That's right.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I do stay on in the club here at this point because I know that they will be connecting properly.
And I know that I'll have to call in to talk to you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't think it's quite the same when I'm working around the office.
I think that's a good thing.
I'm sure it's a good thing, but I don't think it's a good thing at all for me to do.
The people that are most concerned about my future, I don't know how many of them are.
I don't think it's a good thing.
I don't think it's a good thing.
I don't think it's a good thing.
I don't think it's a good thing.
I don't know if we can take it this way.
I don't know if we can take it this way.
I don't know.
I believe that the governor has picked up on the estate rules and picked up on the down tax and the new down tax on the ranch.
So it's going to be a prime down tax.
So that's going to be a loss.
It's going to be a loss.
It's going to be a loss.
It's going to be a loss.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Why did you guys go out here?
I don't know.
What's the matter?
My plan was to create a plan that would take a couple of days, but I didn't think it would all work in terms of how long.
Yes, I heard this guy.
So he did his record.
So he did his record.
And I'm all over the elevator all the time.
So I'm glad to be here.
You know, I've heard this kind of message.
This is what we did around here.
I've already seen these things.
And so I'm taking care of those.
I'm holding on to those records.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, and see if there's a whole lot of things I can say with regards to innovating and getting the characters to where they might have been done.
Some of the questions I have to say, that is very, very difficult.
You have to be able to do the same thing in the lifetime.
It's just so far up now that, uh, we have, you know, you know, a lot of things to do.
But, well, you see, that's just something I've figured out every day.
So I don't want to talk here at all.
Oh well, it'll be hard for them because they're going to be out all night.
It's, it's, I suppose it's a big business, but I don't think it's going to be that easy.
I don't know how long it's going to be.
I don't know how long it's going to be.
I don't know how long it's going to be.
I don't know how long it's going to be.
I don't know how long it's going to be.
And I had to get it back a little bit of time because I was in front of the same window.
And then I got there and I didn't find it.
One of the things you ought to do every day is not try again.
You know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know,
So, over here you can see all that bleeding, and that's the matter of fact.
So, you can see all that bleeding, and that's the matter of fact.
So, you can see all that bleeding, and that's the matter
And that's how we're going to go.
I don't have the right to express the argument, but I think that he just will, will, stand up as a constitutional man, be a judge, will be a judge here, so that we can try to convince him that, uh, uh, that we'll try to get him to perform in a way that will make it look very partisanly different, and I guess all of that, I think, is why I'm telling you today what I think about it.
uh
Well, I have a pair of options.
I'm involved in the correctional investigations.
The one with the outpatient child in the investigation was an unfortunate affair.
We didn't take care of it.
We didn't take care of it.
We paid a special fine for that.
We did have an investigation to deal with it on the judgment.
Again, same sort of thing.
We went to the judge's office on that very last night.
We had to go around on those signs.
We were part of one of those meetings, and we got the best of it.
We held up.
And how did he, uh, did he come forward to discuss, you know, the invasion of Egypt?
Well, in fact, I'm finding for a brain test, there's a committee in Idaho, who is relatively very important to the United Arab Emirates, and, uh, is, uh, is very important to that.
They're all going to sit in the path of faith.
They're going to wait in the path.
And a lot of their parties are the racial ones.
They're the parties that are in trouble.
They're the parties that are in trouble.
They're the parties that are in trouble.
They're the parties that are in trouble.
Well, I was going to be on a long road on this thing now.
I just thought it was impossible.
And we had to hold together and go out of the election until things did not start working out the way they did before.
And I'm going to remain in the old roads of the thing.
The funny thing is, I've been sitting here for about a week or so, and I've got to look back at what I've done.
You know, it's not a lot to read, but I think it's a very small role.
Now, I can't wait to run it.
After a little bit, you've got to get to see my back.
Part of me is supposed to do it.
I know that, but I've got to find it.
I've got to find it.
I've never been a hacker, but I've been a hacker since I was a child.
I've been a hacker since I was a child.
I've been a hacker since I was a child.
I've been a hacker since I was a child.
I've been a hacker since I was a child.
I've been a hacker since I was a child.
I've been a hacker since I was a child.
I've been a hacker since I was a child.
I've been a hacker since I was a child.
They didn't want to be there for me at all.
They said I was going to be in the wall if I ran.
I never ran into people.
You know what I mean?
Oh, I'm sorry.
I will not talk to you again until you get out and report to your contractor.
No, no, no, no.
But I did try to report to you and report to your contractor.
I'm really sorry.
And I can't forget about the fact that he's mad.
I don't know if he's mad, but he takes everything.
I don't know why, but I think he's mad.
I don't know why, but I think he's mad.
I don't know why, but I think he's mad.
I don't know why, but I think he's mad.
I don't know if you can see it, but I need to go somewhere.
I need to go somewhere.
I need to go somewhere.
I will try to eat that.
I used to eat a few of them.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Alright, that's right.
Okay, I've heard a lot about this.