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Conversation: 475-004

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Start Date: 6-Apr-1971 11:55 AM

End Date: 6-Apr-1971 12:20 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ehrlichman, John D.Morgan, Edward L.Mead, Dana G.McLane, JamesGartland, JohnEvans, John F., Jr.Harper, Edwin L.Waldeman, Raymond J.Rhatican, William F.Rice, Donald B.Crabill, Donald E.Page, DavidAdkins, RogerNathan, Richard P.Robinson, WilliamBlum, JamesHavens, Harry S.Hamm, WilliamRommel, Wilfred H.Fischer, C. WilliamSweeney, NaomiCook, Richard K.Deane, John Russell, IIIFuller, BillWeidenbaum, Murray L.Joss, RobertJohnson, William H.Velde, Richard W.Copf, JerryOrlebeck, Charles J.Ahlgram, HenryBlunt, William W.Olsson, John P.Lovell, Malcolm R., Jr.Cross, Christopher T.Ottina, John R.Granlich, NedThompson, LarryWhite House photographerMichel, PeterBarzel, RainerPauls, RolfHamm, William

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:04:13

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 00:27:50

475-004.mp3

NARA Description:

On April 6, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, Edward L. Morgan, Dana G. Mead, James McLane, John Gartland, John F. Evans, Jr., Edwin L. Harper, Raymond J. Waldeman, William F. Rhatican, Donald B. Rice, Donald E. Crabill, David Page, Roger Adkins, Richard P. Nathan, William Robinson, James Blum, Harry S. Havens and William Hamm, Wilfred H. Rommel, C. William Fischer, Naomi Sweeney, Richard K. Cook, John Russell Deane, III, Bill Fuller, Murray L. Weidenbaum, Robert Joss, William H. Johnson, Richard W. Velde, Jerry Copf, Charles J. Orlebeck, Henry Ahlgren, William W. Blunt, John P. Olsson, Malcolm R. Lovell, Jr., Christopher T. Cross, John R. Ottina, Ned Granlich, Larry Thompson, White House photographer, Peter Michel, Rainer Barzel, Rolf Pauls, and William Hamm met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:55 am and 12:20 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 475-004 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 475-4

Date: April 6, 1971
Time: 11:55 am - unknown before 12:20 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman, Edward L. Morgan, Dana G. Mead, Jamie McLane,
John Gartland, John F. Evans, Jr., Edwin L. Harper, Raymond J. Waldman, Peter Michel,
William F. Rhatican, Donald B. Rice, Donald E. Crabill, David Page, Roger Adkins, Richard P.
Nathan, William Robinson, James Blum, Harry S. Havens, William Hamm, Wilfred H. Rommel,
C. William Fischer, Naomi Sweeney, Richard K. Cook, John Russell Dean, Bill Fuller, Murray
L. Weidenbaum, Robert Joss, Wallace H. Johnson, Richard W. Velde, Jerry Copf, Charles J.
Orlebeck, Henry Ahlgren, William W. Blunt, Jr., John P. Olsson, Malcolm R. Lovell, Jr.,
Christopher T. Cross, John R. Ottina, Ned Gramlich, and Larry Thompson; the White House
photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting

     Greeting

     General conversation
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President’s message to Congress
     -Timing

Revenue sharing proposals
    -Praise for team’s preparation of legislation
          -Gratitude to everyone involved
    -Importance of revenue sharing reform
          -Previous legislative programs                   Conv. No. 475-4 (cont.)
          -Bureau of the Budget
          -Reform “revolutionary”
    -Difficulties
    -Congress
    -Support in the agencies
    -Support in the Cabinet
    -Need for support
    -Necessity for reform
    -Congress
          -Expectations
    -Achievements of team
          -Components of team
                -Preparers of program
                -Sellers of program
                -Those working with Congress and country
    -Need for confidence in proposals
    -Battle in press, Congress
          -Prospects
    -Absence of alternatives
          -Types of revenue sharing
          -Tax credits
          -Welfare reform
    -Prospects
    -Judgement of team
    -Faith in people
    -Mood of the country
          -Intellectuals
    -Praise for team’s efforts
    -Machinery of government
          -New “engine”, “body”
    -Achievement
    -Ehrlichman
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                                       Tape Subject Log
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     Presentation of gifts
          -Paper weights
          -Wives
          -President’s conversation with motion picture actors and producers, April 5, 1971
          -Wives and secretaries

     [General conversation]
                                                                       Conv. No. 475-4 (cont.)
Morgan, et al. left at 12:08 pm; Ehrlichman remained

     Clifford M. Hardin
           -Special revenue sharing
           -Agriculture Extension Service
                -President’s possible call to Hardin
                -Avoiding reductions in service

Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 12:10 pm

     Photographing President during talk
          -White House photographer
          -Other photographers
          -President’s instructions to Butterfield

[The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 12:10 pm and
12:14 pm]

[Conversation No. 475-4A]

[See Conversation No. 1-5]

[End of telephone conversation]

Ehrlichman left at 12:14 pm

          -Pictures

[The President talked with Hardin at an unknown time between 12:14 pm and 12:17 pm]

[Conversation No. 475-4B]

[See Conversation No. 1-6]
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                                     Tape Subject Log
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Butterfield left at 12:16 pm
[The President talked with Claude W. Gifford at an unknown time between 12:14 pm and 12:17
pm]

[Conversation No. 475-4C]

[See Conversation No. 1-6A]
                                                                     Conv. No. 475-4 (cont.)
[The President talked with Hardin between an unknown time between 12:14 pm and 12:17 pm]

[Conversation No. 475-4D]

[See Conversation No. 1-6B]