On May 28, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:40 pm to 1:17 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 506-010 of the White House Tapes.
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asked Tom Hughes about the military, you know, ceremony.
And he said that the way to do the most people the most good is if you wrote Secretary O'Leary.
And so, with copies to, yeah, with copies to Moore and the head of the Military District of Washington.
He grabs the letter, which you all are going to be in charge of.
Good.
Good.
Let us start.
Good.
Are you ready?
No.
Senator Munson.
Oh, sure.
You're suggesting we bring him into the White House.
a political hand-over Midwest guy, farm area operator, et cetera, in this area.
Well, Bryce, and Hyde-Murray, and Cowan, and John Mitchell, and Whitaker are all saying that it's a good idea.
OK. Also, they think we've made some good with the senators back in 2008.
Use it, you know, in the den.
In fact, we need another guy in there that can handle it.
It doesn't look like we're stuck here.
I don't know if some of them are going to make the way to West Virginia or the Northern River or California.
Excellent.
Good.
Okay, what the hell's gonna happen on the month?
Just gonna sit around.
As of now, it's better not to have anything happen.
We don't want him to.
I'm just curious, because as long as he stays alive, nobody has a seat.
Nobody's after him to get him to resign or anything.
No.
They will.
He won't resign.
He's like, he didn't live 20, 30 years.
If he stays alive, at least it's a blank.
I don't know about that.
The basic question, I guess, is whether you want to go to the hub team.
You're pretty well set up to do it if you want to, by going out, either going out to California, well no you wouldn't be, if you went to California early, you'd miss the dinner, which would be on the 24th, Thursday.
There's a suggestion to go out that day, do the Indianapolis dinner, and then go on out to California.
You've got to get you there late Thursday night.
You leave for Midway on Sunday.
Stay there Sunday night.
Have a meeting on Monday.
Come back to California Monday night.
No, Tuesday.
Because you're going to be screwed up.
Or have that meeting in California on Tuesday.
Can we move it?
I think so.
I think we can move it.
There's people from around the country.
I think we can just move it.
Or you can move it to California and move it there too.
I would guess we can move it today.
I don't see why not.
It seems to me it would be better to move it today, back a day, so you get the Tuesday clear.
I mean... And do it Wednesday.
And then you've got Thursday, Friday, you can do those goals meetings or budget meetings.
And then...
See what we do on the 4th of July, I think.
Oh, no.
I see.
Well, I'll look it up.
I'll look it up.
I'll look it up.
Florida.
I hope you can go on out to California.
I don't know if I'm not pretty to do out there, Bob.
I'm a 19.
If you want to do the AMA convention, that is the 21st.
I haven't checked the availability, but I mean, I've got the information on it again.
I'm sure we can get it if we want.
And it's a possibility.
There's, where is it?
It's near, you fly to Bangor, Maine.
Yeah.
And it's, there's an Air Force base
right nearby, and then you can helicopter out to the island.
It'll be a two-hour run total, flying in China, out of Rockport, Maine, which is on the coast.
Rockport's right on the coast.
It's a short boat run off the coast, or easy helicopter.
Anyway, we would helicopter back
That's the problem.
It's a long ways from New Hampshire.
The possibility in New Hampshire would be Portsmouth.
We'd do something with the Naval Yard if we wanted to, which is a hell of a big deal for both Maine and New Hampshire.
As long as we were taking these modes through, Portsmouth is right on the border of Maine and New Hampshire.
You'd have to, you couldn't chop her down, you'd have to fly down the thing.
We kept it there.
I don't know, maybe you could chop it.
Yeah.
Oh, choppers.
I'd rather fly.
Chopper back into Banger and then fly to Air Force Base right by Portsmouth, so I'm sure we could land right there.
And do some Portsmouth mid-learn on the way back from Banger or something like that.
Do Portsmouth come out?
Watergate goes down.
You ought to be a fine metal hero there.
Trying to see where we would be.
So far.
Not too bad.
They say the weather's good from, uh, the marginal month is May, and it's good from June through, uh, September, October is again March.
The island has a place, uh,
staff and what we bring to staff.
It is staff.
There's a cook there.
There's a staff.
We take a couple students.
Yes, the main house has three or four bedrooms upstairs and a couple downstairs.
And there's a guest house with... What does it have?
It has...
putting green, that thing.
And there's a boat there.
You can take a boat ride out from the place.
It has a little dock.
And there's a boat that belongs to the Florida State of Toronto.
There's a tennis court.
That's right.
There's a tennis court.
And there's a beach.
And you will see.
It shouldn't be too cold, I'm sure.
You wouldn't be alive in the water.
Why don't you think of the possibility of flying up there on the 18th?
Oh, okay.
You were talking about that after Trisha's wedding the other night.
Now you're a week late.
Would that be better?
Well, I wouldn't go to Trisha's wedding.
I'm just not going.
I'm not going there.
I'm not there.
That's right.
That's the problem because you have to be back here on Tuesday for the brand, Monday.
You're clear on Monday.
That's right.
The driver's side of the 19th.
for the Rochester background around the 17th.
But what we can do is move Rochester the other way.
Do it on the 21st.
Work a little trip, do Rochester and Maine and New Hampshire.
We do it on a pretty much basis.
We've now laid out a policy where they are likely to do it for two nights with a little flexibility.
for some reason just stretch it out or something like that.
But we had, don't worry about it, it's good just so you know.
Now we go to, we could go to Manatee in the 18th.
I mean, I didn't want to stay there anyway.
And then during the 21st, you could go to Portsmouth.
And then in the afternoon to Rochester.
I don't want to go to the chopper, I don't want to fly.
I don't want to fly.
I don't want to fly.
I don't want to fly.
Three.
Three.
I don't even know if they're here.
They're later than 10.
Better than 10.
That's...
If they do do that, we'll take an hour there and catch Rochester on a probe and run it first.
And all by the day of the evening.
Just to keep up with my...
Still up sometimes.
I suppose.
Basically, that's what it is.
It's the people of the states.
Yeah.
Well, everybody's looking for contributions, possibly.
Well, the AMA is a bunch of good for contributions.
ANPAC actually is.
We've got ANPAC working on this.
I'll tell you, they've been working on this for decades.
That's right.
Yeah.
No, the other place.
The AMA, we're now more getting into bed with them to try and get them ginned up.
You're going to do it, but it seems to me you're better off to do it now that you've got your health proposals in.
I want to do it, though, in terms, like I did with VAR.
I don't want to do it in terms of kicking them in the ass.
Right.
I want to do it in terms of praising the doctors and the medical profession and fighting for a free medical profession and our bill is that sort of thing.
And it must be a 2,000-word speech in almost 15 minutes.
It's the only way to work in the right spot.
He doesn't even stay with that.
I noticed the West Point still has 1,700 orders.
500 after you said it.
What, they came in?
Well, what do you got last night?
Remember this morning?
What's that?
Last night, though, I had worked, I worked, I worked over the entire day there.
No.
I don't.
The one you've got, we needed last night to work out.
I mean, 1,700 are out there talking.
Two of us, Mark.
12 of us.
That's too long for you.
2,000 orders.
Okay, okay, okay.
That's what my chance is going to do is keeping him on or anything.
Yeah, there's a lot of federal counsel for the humanities or something.
Why don't they put him on the AGWs?
He's so high-priced, he wants to be the cabin officer.
Correct.
Isn't that how?
What is it?
Yeah, the question is really what works and doesn't.
That's what we don't have now is
I think the idea of going up there, but let's go to Wagner.
It's right through Muskie's town.
See what I mean?
And if we did, if we did the hubby dinner, you wanted to get into Chicago, the milk producers is September 3rd.
I've got to do that.
And they're in Chicago.
September 3rd.
Yeah.
Not a bad time.
Oh, it's not a bad time.
We're probably going to have dinner or something else we have.
Well, let's sort of go forward.
Anything else?
Yes.
We go, it's the Friday of Labor Day weekend.
Well, you could commit it, except for international about this.
Well, gracious.
Coming on to the .
We saved that auto testing .
So that's .
We're still working on the right .
He said it's only 30 or 40 people that are going to be laid off.
Then we did some further checking and found that there's 1,200 people that are going to be laid off.
What do you think?
Do you like my idea or not?
You don't like it?
Not particularly, but I don't know why.
It's probably not a bad idea.
If you do it on the way out, if it's not a thing for you, that shoots the chance of getting a crowd in Indianapolis and all that.
Last year.
It's a political thing, certainly.
It's a way to come by and say, well, why isn't it time to work our time?
You'd probably get a pretty good little airport crowd there in the evening.
I think you could.
Right.
I might stop talking and press a little on the way.
Yeah.
It's probably at a hotel or something.
Probably in a crowd just here in the lobby.
I think it's probably a pole or something.
Yeah.
Going on to California, what you got to do anyway?
We're arriving that night.
You have to go within the next few days there, anyhow.
And end up leaving at least a little rest.
It's Friday and Saturday, and Sunday you're going to have to fly to Midway.
All right, then Sunday to Midway, and Midway is on the 28th, and coming back, we have a long, long flight.
And you do that that night, because I don't know if you want to say another night.
No, I'm going to fly.
Yeah, I'll just go to bed at night, right?
Four hours, seven.
Seven.
Good, I'll just go to bed at night.
Seven hours, we leave there at about four o'clock next night.
When she gets you into the 11 o'clock midway time, which would be 2 a.m. California time, which is still not that great.
Then the next day I have a productivity day.
No, I'd skip it.
I know the day.
I think.
You're going to have to still be... Of course, my wife.
It doesn't really matter, does it?
It doesn't matter.
I don't give a damn.
It's in the afternoon.
It's in the afternoon.
You see where it matters to that?
Yeah.
And his idea on that was to tie the flag day, which is the next day, to the one we should be proud of.
Uh, you know, I've got to think of a major speech for Peterson, you know, Peterson.
Peterson, we want to have a big major presentation on soul thinking, you know, in terms of what the hell is America going to be in the next 25 years.
What about that report that you all have?
Oh, thanks.
This is 30 minutes.
This is a real piece.
The whole background here is very much my character.
I mean, it's a key that will not be done if it's all over again.
And maybe they'll be done primarily for purposes of .
I also told the economic people to work out some sort of a speech I could make on .
Or say something on drugs.
I mean, I really do like talking about drugs.
I don't know how to deal with that.
Do you think that should be radio?
Could that be radio?
Yeah.
Or is this something where I have difficulty?
I don't think I can read on, for example, on the drug speech.
I just don't think I can sit there and read the speech on drugs to kids.
I agree.
So therefore, it either has to be radio or it has to be television where I've got to get it in my head.
I want to talk to you and show a few charts and so forth.
I just don't know.
I think it's a radio talk pretty much is general.
He wouldn't raise the point of education on TV for it.
I kind of think maybe radio is better than that.
I kind of think a good radio talk is highly related on the line.
If I was on that talk, I'd have a way better edit.
He knows what a Washington piece gives him, what will not wash him.
I agree.
I agree.
I agree.
I agree.
I agree.
I don't know whether letters have gone to those where they have suggested calls or whether they have .
I know this one.
I know this one.
The other day, my fellow boy, he had already received a letter congratulating his 50th year, so I've never written it.
But I need to know, you know, a letter has gone, a letter has not, but that's all I can answer.
Maybe I'll send it.
I don't know.
I've seen people like Henry.
It's really quite remarkable, the people reaction on it was a lot of people who were there, and people who were there.
That's right, but they're, I don't know, it's just a few people, but they're people, they are influential.
Influential, and they have constituencies.
They aren't just like the Chamber of Commerce guy who was just out.
These are people who, while they run an organization in their area, or a national organization in their area, that's cranked up for a cause, and they now think,
They hear the Greatest Innocence Hotcakes, and I call them.
And I go, I don't do it for two heavy coats.
Did you hear that?
No.
But they make reference to that, the personal asides.
Yeah, one aside was the... All of them.
Yeah, okay.
That's right.
I know.
And others, they think they're doing something worthwhile, so they're just doing what they're doing.
And the other thing that keeps coming up in the comments is it was not political.
You didn't start out by saying my fellow Americans.
They so much appreciated that.
And that you then, that there was nothing political in what you said, that you were, you were obviously saw some substance to what they were concerned about.
You were doing something about it.
I would.
There are articulate people who get, get out and around.
I think something, something like that does do some good.
I mean, they all apparently do some political work.
I guess, because I use it for all the radio and speech.
The president said it.
The reason there is a subject that's back to normal is because you're changing the speech box from simply one that you've read to one they're going to remember.
Korn.
Oh, that's Korn.
Pure Korn.
But what the hell?
That's why you back them up.
Korn.
You're safe in Christ.
That's why they're working on you with everything.
The general weakness, though, the general weakness, basically, in particular, is the cold.
And the weather hasn't been great, but they know it.
They know it, which is why they do it.
That's right.
You want to do anything for red blood?
It's a high first period on the, or the post office Sunday.
Yes, I have to.
Yeah, but it wouldn't have to be that day, but, you know, sometime after that.
On the 4th of July, they should have thought that we'd go to some place on Sunday before.
That's one thought.
We still haven't come up with a really good place.
And Champaign is in summer session.
There'll be 10,000 students there, so we should go to Champaign to treat the other disaster.
And, uh... No, I think we'll catch them in between.
The other thing they're still working on is the Evening at the White House idea of yours.
I don't feel accredited.
I kind of feel like the greatest patriotic.
People come back.
The tourist comes on and says something.
I can do it for an hour's evening.
It would just be fantastic if we could celebrate this all together.
John and I used to wear gold.
Is that Gallagher on the same team?
Yeah.
That's the one that they pulled last October.
They pulled last October.
October they had 35-49.
No.
Their question was, do you think communist China should or should not be admitted as a member of the United Nations?
No.
Now it's 45-38, yes.
But you must not get rid of Ezra Harris.
Harris is 43.
Gallop 48, 27.
That's 20 points.
I tell you, you can't trust that guy.
48, 27.
He's loaded.
What do you think?
Harris has a much higher unsure.
He has 25 not sure.
Gallop only has 17.
48-27 is an enormous thing.
45-38, as I call it.
That's not so goddamn far apart, you know?
See, Harris had it before at 32-54.
So he had a 22-point spread, where Gallup only had a 14-point spread.
35-49.
Don't you think Harris is blowing them up a little tonight?
Why doesn't he do that?
Vince Harris screws it up sometimes.
But hey, both of those showed up this time.
And Bob, the only thing that has intervened has been the China initiative, don't you think?
Yes, and the thing that shows that is the greatest change is Republicans.
In October, Republicans saying, yes, we're 30%, now they're 45.
Democrats were 34, now they're 40.
That would indicate that Republicans think you're doing something about it.
and that therefore we should do that with money.
That's what Gallup says.
Gallup says the sharpest shift between the two surveys has come among the rank-and-file Republicans who may be responding to the Nixon administration's efforts to maintain the current thought.
I heard call rockets and I'll send it to you.
It's on the two poles.
Now, if it kills the ship,