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Uh, sure.

The first part you need to tell everyone that.

All right.

Thank you.

The first two lines of the second page.

I guess you got me.

I've got to go.

Yeah.

All right.

Should Nelson fall out?

Ernie?

No, just tell him that's the statement that's going to be made.

Go on this time.

Should Nelson fall out?

Yes, he should.

All right.

No.

Let's go ahead and do it.

Thanks.

Uh, we have a...

He says we're ready.

Do you agree with him, Dean, that he's been arguing that with the U.S. Marines?

He's in total control.

He says that the problem is, he says, that those folks, that's the only way to get out of this whole thing.

I said, well, he said, you've got a corroborative function.

I said, yes, of course, corroborative.

It doesn't matter.

I just want to check.

Are we set to go?

I don't know whether I can really make it.

How complete can I go if I order it?

All right.

Don't tell anybody anything yet.

I've got to do something.

All right.

Fine.

Thank you.

I'll let you know.

But it's a great way to be a little too easy at first.

But I said, you know, we're going to do it.

I let it hard.

I said, you did a great thing.

I also said, Rockish, and I talked about it.

Rockish thought I was totally wrong.

He's the president's counsel.

And I didn't.

I wasn't reading it.

Rockish didn't say that.

So I got him.

I shut him down.

However, I talked about the leaks from the grand jury.

I didn't get far with that, but I put it across and eventually I would choose.

Third, he's talking to Pat Gray again.

Pat Gray is not the one that he destroyed.

The big guy who destroyed it.

He should have just had to break that out.

So, Pat Gray... Why did Pat Gray do that?

Pat Gray was told it was illegal.

Oh, he was told, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,

Basically, he says, what are they going to do?

They're going to hold them in court and put a statement on them.

They're going to surrender all these questions of whether or not it's going to be guilty.

They're going to make it as broad as they can, as narrow as they can, at the same time.

By being as broad as they can, they're going to say that they're going to indict them.

That means that he has named certain people.

And they're going to name a group of people that is not indicted.

uh, co-conspirators, and I invited the co-conspirators.

Did I include everybody on that list?

I said three, and he said, yes.

I said, well, he said, uh, he said, frankly, he said, but he didn't quite understand.

He said, we are not going to include all of them in our list.

Why not this one?

Which gives you an option.

I said, are you telling me that if Paul and Earl decide to take a leave, that you will not then proceed with the prosecution?

I mean, no.

He said, I don't mean that.

He said, what I mean is that they're not going to appear on that list.

Well, whether we take leave or not doesn't affect the list that they read off.

Yes.

Well, it does.

They will put us on the list if we don't take leave.

and he says he does that it will appear that the justice department again

It's kind of .

Two questions.

One, should we go forward with the announcement today or not?

Or should I run from your standpoint?

You must.

I think

This thing will get away from me otherwise.

Well, the real question, I suppose, John, is this.

I'm really concerned about the vulnerability.

I don't think they can make a case on this either.

I mean, I don't think they can.

Here's a little question.

What I think he's really saying, in fact, is that if they're, your name will probably be on the list.

That's what he's saying.

Unless you decide not to, decide that you're not going to do it.

You know what I mean?

It isn't just the Senate.

We have to resign.

Suspending us doesn't accomplish anything, does it?

Oh, yes, it sure is.

What does he keep from that?

I don't understand.

The only guy who keeps from that is Dean.

Yeah, by putting us in the same bag with him.

Now, we got our Dean's background.

He said, no, I'm just a president.

He said, you're going to be an employer.

You're going to make a living.

Make a case against this administration.

They're going to try this administration, that's what he says.

I guess that's where it was happening.

to take leave, if you think I should, that is the same effect as being... Well, I'll never come back.

Now, on the other hand, if I'm indicted and take leave, and then I'm acquitted,

Let's see, to take leave and then not appear on the Magruder list is a confession.

So maybe it's a confession.

That's right.

So I think their approach just doesn't work.

Well, then you look worse by that than you do the other way.

You're better off to have us on the list than to have us take leave and not be on the list.

Because that looks like you're covering up something.

These guys are working in the most bloodthirsty way.

I just heard how they worked Strachan.

They lied to Strachan.

They told him they had all this stuff.

They not told him what his rights are properly.

I'm not sure his lawyer's done it straight yet, but it's really something.

They're trying to get him to take a cop out.

They won't make a deal.

They won't make deals with, I don't think, anybody.

I don't know what they're going to do with anyone, though.

They don't want to talk to people.

They told Strachan if he covered everything,

that he had everything he knows, and they assured him they already had it anyway.

They didn't need it, except they always pass it back.

He said, then you, Sean, have a chance of getting out because you'll become a witness and not a defendant.

But they will not give him immunity.

Well, that is immunity.

Well, unless they keep their options open in his clothes.

Right.

But Sean's got to just go through this.

God, I hope so.

And the bastards, you know, strongly made that mistake on the 350.

Called Silver after I had stayed and said, I'd like to correct that.

I made a mistake.

They said, fine, come up Monday morning, we'll straighten it out.

He went up Monday morning, they laughed at him and said, we aren't going to put you before the grand jury.

That's when they kicked him around.

Far.

Yesterday morning.

Then today, when he went in, they said, we will not let you correct your statement on the 350.

We've got you on a perjury account.

That's not true.

That's what they told him.

It's certainly not fair.

Well, it also is actually a little paranoid.

By the law, I think under the law, he would go for that volunteer or something.

I would sure think so.

But they wouldn't let him go in, so he did volunteer.

He didn't get the money, but he sure did it constructively as far as he went.

Well, that's the way it is.

You get to work at the same time.

I'm going to start to Irvin.

Let's get the .

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. .

Are you getting all this for me?

Voluntarily, when requested by the Red Committee.

Okay.

I, in that regard, am concerned about the parts of it.

All right.

Several weeks ago, I began new inquiries.

Should we say?

Well, I don't know.

Again, sir, I, uh...

I, uh...

I don't want to say in person, privately, that this wasn't fair.

They'd say, what the hell was that?

Several weeks ago, I began a new increase in this matter.

It's a result of serious charges, which were reported publicly and privately to me, as you can see there.

Publicly common and privately the name.

Which in some cases were reported publicly.

Several weeks ago.

Why don't we say, should we set a date?

March 21st.

That sounds a hell of a lot stronger.

All right.

March 21st.

I can't say it was an investigation.

I ordered it as an investigation.

I knew him for his drop gun.

which were reported publicly and some of which were reported publicly and some of which were reported privately.

Some of which were reported publicly and some of which were of which I caused to be developed.

Some of which I subsequently, as a result of the service charges, reported publicly.

Some of which were reported publicly.

And then I'll say about the rest of them.

I... As a result of the service charges.

Reported publicly.

Which were publicly reported.

I made, uh, a series of, I'll get this down, which were publicly reported.

I instituted, no, I began intensive billed inquiries.

I began intensive billed inquiries into this whole issue.

Okay.

Last time we didn't turn it down.

I think we better get Peterson back in.

Thank you.

Attorney General.

And Assistant Attorney General Peterson.

And Assistant Attorney General Peterson and I met.

Yeah, I didn't say something.

Back in the view of the facts.

Back in the length.

Back in the length of the view of the facts that you've come to meet.

In my investigation.

In the progress of the Department of Justice investigation.

One second.

In my investigation.

My investigation.

the progress of the Department of Justice investigation.

I can report today, I can report today, that there have been major new developments in the investigation.

or in the case, right?

That's not right.

How about saying, just saying, have been major developments in the case.

I know, but in the case concerning, and then tie back to that sentence maybe, concerning which I should not be more specific now, except to say that real progress has been made.

Yeah.

getting to the bottom of this matter, what do you say?

Has been made in exposing the truth.

In finding the truth.

In this whole matter.

Well, we said matter, so I can report today that there have been major developments in the case concerning which it would be improper to be more specific now except to say that real progress has been made in finding the truth.

Real progress has been made in finding the truth.

And so...

Then you go into this executive branch, then you think you want to say, right?

If you don't mind.

If anything, I do, I don't mind.

I don't want to put the immunity thing in, unless it's public.

Since I've said it privately to him, I don't think there's a hell of a lot you can gain by saying it publicly.

Except this sets it in concrete.

All right, fine.

If any person in the executive branch is a guy by the range, my policy would be to immediately suspend him.

Should we say, should we let the view of what we know is going to happen?

Should we say it's indicted, or would you say it's indicted and not indicated in charges today?

Don't you agree?

I think so.

I think indicted ought to be a test.

Indicted, my apologies.

If he's convicted, then I would say it.

And then, the way I put it, I expressed to the appropriate, I expressed to the, to the appropriate authorities, my view, I'm sorry, I'm telling you this basically to get at something that you're, I expressed to the appropriate authorities, my view,

That knowledge of Israel, holding the position of nature important.

should be given immunity to prosecution.

Was that something?

I don't want to see them not say they might say no versus can't expect it to be that piece of item.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's in the new department.

This is fine.

I don't think

the hook and say, you know, well, there's a lot going on just with that next sentence, the judicial process.

The judicial process is moving.

Moving.

You know, the fact, sir, it is moving.

It is moving ahead as it should.

Is that all right?

Or do you want to sit with the ranchers?

That's all right, dude.

Obviously, they'll take me if I don't stab a lot of these men, too.

I'd cover any intention to cover up in the States, you know.

I'm not going to say, you know, I'm a nation citizen or whatever.

If you want to get somebody, you've got to get the right person.

Why did Trey do that?

Trey was told it was political.

Well, he was told there.

He was told it was material.

He said it actually was not a liquid water tank.

But he used to say that it was.

Basically, he says what they're going to do.

They're going to hold him in court and plead guilty and put a statement on him.

He's going to surrender all of his questions.

He says what they're going to do.

And I'm going to give you the details.

It's going to be 12 hours and over the summer.

He says he won't be able to do it.

I mean, the broadest they can.

They're going to haul him out of court.

I mean, they're going to set him to be guilty.

And they're going to put a statement on his name.

They're going to arrest him.

They're going to hold him in the night.

They're going to make it as broad as they can.

They're going to make it as an armistice at the same time.

I mean, as broad as they can.

He is named, certainly.

They're going to set him in the night.

They're going to make it as broad as they can.

It means that he has named certain people.

I'm going to name a group of people.

I'm going to name a group of people that is non-indicted.

Non-indicted co-conspirators.

I'm going to name a group of people that is co-conspirators.

I said yes.

I said no.

Co-conspirators.

He said, am I included?

He said, right.

I said, we are not included.

He said, yes.

Which gives you an option to consider all of it.

which gives you an option.

I said, are you telling me that, I said, are you telling me that if Paul's an early man, if Paul's an early man, if you segregate leave, that you will not segregate leave?

uh, received with the, uh, prosecution.

I mean, uh, that, uh, that he then, uh, no, he said, I don't mean that.

He said, what I mean is that they're not going to go through with that, not that.

Yes.

And, uh, it, uh, it would mean that, uh, they won't be able to arrange or receive money to make the, to the, uh, prosecution.

He's there to determine that.

I don't know what to think about it.

So they're .

No, he said they don't need them.

Well, either we take leave or .

They're not going to move here on that list.

Not.

Doesn't affect the list that they .

Yes, sir.

.

Well, it does.

They will put us on the list if we don't take leave. .

Otherwise, he says, he says it's a record.

So there's a gun on the head.

There's another question under there.

Yeah.

And he's got a question about a homeowner.

Well, whether we take down God, it will appear that they are involved in this.

Because even though he's believe or not, it doesn't affect the list.

He said, well, you're going to hear soon.

They read off.

Yes.

Or does.

And he says if he does that, then it will appear to the Justice Department again.

They will put us on the list if we don't take leave.

There's a reason.

Yes.

Two questions.

One, because otherwise, otherwise, he says, you're going to go forward with the announcement today or not.

He says it's a record.

It's not a question.

From your standpoint, you must.

And it's not a question at all.

I think I'll get away from you otherwise.

people feared that they were involved in this.

Well, the real question, I suppose, John, is this.

I don't, I don't either.

I, I doubt.

Because, even though he said anything, I said, well, you know, I'm really concerned about the, the involvement of both of them.

I think the both of them, you know, I think, I think that, you know, he said, well, you know, he was saying that I don't think there were any casements either.

I mean, I don't think they came.

Here's the whole point.

What I think he's really saying, in fact, is that, and he says he can't do it.

He does.

If there had been a little fear to the Justice Department, that would have began here.

It would probably be on the list.

It's kind of a look.

Unless you've got white people in the room.

You decide not to.

Decide.

Good questions, Mike.

What does he mean?

I don't know.

Go forward with your standard.

Yeah.

I met his dean.

Yeah, by putting us in the same bag with him.

Yeah.

We got our deans.

He said, from your standpoint, you must.

I said, from being a lawyer, they were calling me.

They need to settle.

I think this thing will get away from them.

They're going to try this administration.

Well, it's as broad as it is long, as far as I'm concerned.

I agree.

If I'm concerned about the vulnerability, I think the most I should, that is the same effect as being a victim.

Yeah, I'll never come back.

Of course not.

Now, on the other hand, if I'm in site and take leave, and then I'm here on my Twitter,

Unless you decide not to.

Decide that you're not going to do it.

You know what?

This isn't just a test.

We have to resign.

This is spending.

This isn't a conversation.

This is

Oh, yes, sure there is.

What does he mean by that?

I don't understand.

The only guy who gains from that is Dean.

Yeah, by putting us in the same bag as them.

Yeah.

Now, we got our Dean, Senator Graham.

Now, he said, no, I'm just a president.

So he's going to be an employer to your home.

He's going to make a...

They're going to try this administration, that's what he says.

Well, it's as broad as it gets.

leave, if you think I should, that is the same effect as being, yeah.

You couldn't.

So taking leave here on the Magruder list is a confession.

Well, I never, yeah, I'll never come back.

Of course not.

So that is a confession.

That's right.

So I think there is a confession.

Now, on the other hand, if the diamond approach just doesn't work, well, then you look worse by that than you do the other way.

You're better off.

I'm indicted and take leave.

And then I'm acquitted.

I could come back to trial.

Let's see.

Take leave and then not appear on the Magruder list is a confession.

That's right.

They have us on the list.

And they have us take leave and not be on the list.

Does that look

So I think their approach just doesn't like you're covering up something that hasn't come out.

Well, then you look worse by that.

We're going to be on the list.

You're better off to have us on the list.

And then have us take leave.

These guys are working in the most bloodthirsty way they've ever...

Turned out they worked strong.

They lied to strong.

They told them they lied to strong.

They told them they had all this stuff.

They told them, not told them all this stuff.

They put his rights up.

Not told them what his rights are.

I'm not sure.

It's really something.

They're trying to get him to try to get him to take a cop out.

They won't make news with.

I don't try to get him to take a cop out.

They won't make news with.

I don't think any of them.

They told him they already had Sean.

If he covered everything that he didn't need, they already had everything he knows.

And they assured him they already had anyone who didn't need it.

They already had us.

He said, then you, Sean, have a chance of getting out.

Because you'll become a witness and not a defender.

But they will not give him immunity.

Well, that's not a defense.

That's a defense.

Well, not that.

That is immunity.

Well, that is immunity.

Well, well.

Unless they keep their options open in his clothes.

Right.

Open in his clothes.

Right.

Astronauts are just going to lose.

they last sat him and said we are going to put you before the grand jury that's when they kicked him around they said fine come up Monday morning we'll straighten it out he went up Monday morning they last sat him yesterday morning then today when he went in they said we will not let you correct yourself we are going to put you before the grand jury that's when they kicked him around we've got you on the ground yesterday morning

That today, when he went in, they said a perjury account.

That's not true.

That's what they said.

We will not let you correct your statement on the 350.

It's okay.

I guarantee it's certainly not fair.

Well, it also is actually apparently by the law, I think.

We've got you on a perjury account.

By the law, you go before that volunteer or something.

I would certainly think so.

They wouldn't let him go in, so he did volunteer.

It's certainly not fair.

Well, it also is actually a little paramount.

Your view is the same.

I'm just going to read it.

I think under the law, you go before that volunteer or something.

I would, sir.

Thanks.

I don't think so.

No, sir.

They would let him go in, so he did volunteer.

He didn't get a call, but he sure did.

To urban.

Okay.

I'm having .

I'll leave this.

I'll send my first card to Irvin. .

Voluntarily when requested by the committee.

Okay.

Well, I don't know.

Voluntarily, when requested by which were reported.

All right.

Publicly and privately, I mean, should we say that?

Several weeks ago, I began a new inquiry.

Should we say?

I don't know.

Publicly?

Well, I didn't comment.

All right.

I, uh, I, uh, wait a minute.

In some cases, we're a part of public service.

I don't want to say in the press that's not private information.

I don't want to start this conversation.

All right.

On March 21st, they said, what the hell was that?

Three weeks ago, I began doing it.

march president i uh which we're reporting

Publicly and privately.

I mean, should we say that?

I can't say this enough.

I'm engaged.

I don't work.

Publicly, constantly.

I, uh, am, uh, doing everything I can.

Why don't we say as a result of .

That sounds a hell of a lot stronger.

Which were reported publicly and .

All right.

March 21st.

some of which were reported publicly, and some of which in March, I referred to, reported privately, some of which were reported publicly, and some of which began to increase.

of which I caused to be developed.

How about saying on March 21st, as a result, some of which I subsequently developed.

As a result of serious charges.

Public and in press.

Some of which were reported.

And then I'd say.

Serious charges.

Which were reported publicly and personally.

I.

Some of which were reported.

However, on my part, we restart the investigation because of the public charges.

That's right.

Yeah.

Some of which were reported publicly and some of which were reported privately as a margin, as a result of serious charges.

Of which?

Which were publicly reported.

I made a serious condition.

I...

caused to be developed.

And then I'll say about the rest of them.

I...

In other words, on March 1st, we restarted the investigation because of the public charges.

That's right.

Yeah.

So the result, as on March 1st, as a result of serious charges reported publicly, which were publicly reported, I made a serious charge against John, which were publicly reported.

I instituted, I began intensive building...

I think we better get .

Yeah.

Yeah, I wouldn't say so.

Back to the other facts.

in my investigation, in the Department of Justice investigation, in the Department of Justice investigation, in the Department of Justice investigation, in the Department of Justice investigation, in the Department of Justice investigation, in the Department of Justice investigation, in the Department of Justice investigation, in the Department of Justice investigation, in the Department of Justice investigation, in the Department of Justice investigation,

the progress of the Department of Justice investigation.

I can report today, I can report today, I can report today, that there have been major new developments, that there have been major new developments,

And the investigation.

Right?

That's not right.

Right?

That's not right.

How about saying

but in the case concerning which I should not be more specific now, except that the real progress has been made.

a major development case, a major development case, concerning which I cannot be more specific.

I cannot be more specific.

It's improper for me to be marching city now, except to say that real progress has been made in getting to the bottom.

In getting to the bottom.

What is getting to the bottom of this man?

What are you saying?

John David, why?

What are you saying?

John David, why?

Has been made in exposing the truth.

In finding the truth.

In this whole matter.

Thank you.

If you don't mind, I don't want to put the immune, I don't want to put the immune, unless you put the immune in.

I've said it prior to the meeting.

I don't think there's a hell of a lot of money to be gained when they are saying it publicly.

Should we say, should we limit the view of what we know is going to happen?

And then I go to the end, of course, and, of course, if you suspect it, if you suspect it, you automatically start a ring.

You automatically start a ring.

And then, the way I put it is that

I have expressed to the appropriate authority.

That, uh... That, uh...

Ashford Prison.

You get an immunity from prosecution.

I don't want to see that.

I can't expect it.

I don't want to see that.

I can't expect it.

No, I'm just trying to get you off the hook and say, you know, how's it going on?

His inhibition process is moving His inhibition process is moving Moving Moving

You know, with that, too, it is moving.

It's moving ahead as it should.

You know, with that, it is moving.

especially the members of the White House.

As I have said before, all government utilities, especially the members of the White House .

But with this process, you can .

That's it.

Okay.

Urban.

No, Urban.

Baker out.

And now I think the last sentence should be, I, and now I think the last sentence should be, any of any, I have to cover this case, no matter who's involved.

I have to cover this case, no matter who's involved.

That's our argument.

Obviously, that's not right.

That's not right.

I want to get somebody to write to somebody.