Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 20 › Conversation 020-019

Nixon phone call with Downing on Social Correspondence and Congress

Wednesday, February 2, 1972 · 9:14 AM–9:15 AM ET · White House Telephone · 47 sec

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Downing, Thomas N.Conversation020-019 on Tape 20 (tape position 00:43:48–00:44:35)StartWednesday, February 2, 1972 at 9:14 AMEndWednesday, February 2, 1972 at 9:15 AMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 020-019 ↗

President Nixon and Representative Thomas N. Downing engaged in a brief, informal exchange to exchange birthday greetings. During the call, they discussed shared birthdays among acquaintances, including Congressman Charles Gubser, and compared their physical appearances to that of Billy Graham. The conversation served primarily as a social pleasantry to foster rapport between the President and the Congressman.

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Fine.
I have Congressman Downing.
Hello.
President.
Hello.
Mr. President.
I just wanted to know that Bill Timmons is telling me he had a birthday yesterday.
Oh, sure.
And I thought you should know that you're in the same category as Charlie Goops, you know?
Is it Charlie, my age, too?
He's not your age, but he's your same birthday.
He's older than you are.
Mr. President, you do me a great honor, but to tell you the truth, I'm getting to the point where I don't want to talk about my birthdays anymore.
Well, as a matter of fact, Billy Graham was in to see me yesterday, and he's exactly your same age.
And if you just look as young as that guy does, you're doing okay.
I was at the prayer breakfast yesterday morning, and both of you all look younger than I am.
Don't say that.
Well, anyway, you keep in good health.
Thank you so much.
Keep in good health.
I deeply appreciate it.

On February 2, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Thomas N. Downing talked on the telephone from 9:14 am to 9:15 am. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 020-019 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 20-19

Date: February 2, 1972
Time: 9:14 am - 9:15 am
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with Thomas N. Downing.

[See Conversation No. 664-5]

     Birthday greeting
          -William E. Timmons
          -Charles S. Gubser birthday

     William F. (“Billy”) Graham visit to President

     Downing’s schedule
         -Prayer breakfast
  • 020-016 8:51 AM · 8 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 8:51 am and 9:10 am.
  • 020-017 9:10 AM · 58 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles S. Gubser talked on the telephone from 9:10 am to 9:13 am.
  • 664-002 9:10 AM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles S. Gubser met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:10 am to 9:13 am.
  • 020-018 9:13 AM · 9 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 9:13 am and 9:14 am.
  • 664-003 9:13 AM · 34 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:13 am and 9:14 am.
  • 664-004 9:13 AM · 33 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:13 am and 9:14 am.
  • 664-005 9:14 AM · 46 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Thomas N. Downing met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:14 am to 9:15 am.
  • 664-006 9:15 AM · 49 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Ronald L. Ziegler, Henry A. Kissinger, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:15 am to 10:05 am.

Conversation 020-019, February 2, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/020-019 (accessed October 12, 2026).