Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 38 › Conversation 038-005

Nixon phone call with Bull on Joseph J. Sisco and White House logistics

Friday, April 13, 1973 · 3:54 PM–3:55 PM ET · White House Telephone · 20 sec

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.Conversation038-005 on Tape 38StartFriday, April 13, 1973 at 3:54 PMEndFriday, April 13, 1973 at 3:55 PMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 038-005 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon coordinated his late afternoon schedule with Stephen B. Bull regarding upcoming meetings. The President instructed Bull to inform Joseph J. Sisco that he would be delayed for their scheduled appointment until approximately 4:20 pm. This brief exchange served to adjust the President's logistical arrangements for the remainder of the day.

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Yes, sir.
Steve Bowen.
I'll be over there to see that flow.
Cisco.
Yeah, but tell him it'll be about 420.
I'm going to be a little late.
All right, sir.
Fine.
Thank you, sir.

NARA Description

On April 13, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone from 3:54 pm to 3:55 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 38-5

Date: April 13, 1973
Time: 3:54 pm - 3:55 pm
Location: White House Telephone

The President talked with Stephen B. Bull.

[See also Conversation No. 427-1B]
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                                           Conversation No. 38-5 (cont’d)

     President’s schedule
           -Joseph J. Sisco

Also recorded on April 13, 1973

  • 038-003 2:46 PM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman talked on the telephone from 2:46 pm to 2:47 pm.
  • 038-004 2:47 PM · 12 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 2:47 pm and 3:54 pm.
  • 427-001 2:50 PM · 1 hr 5 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, unknown person(s), John D. Ehrlichman, and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:50 pm to 4:20 pm.
  • 895-023 4:22 PM · 7 min — President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:22 pm to 4:41 pm.
  • 895-024 4:31 PM · 11 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Joseph J. Sisco, Henry A. Kissinger, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:31 pm to 4:41 pm.
  • 038-006 4:42 PM · 10 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 4:42 pm and 5:07 pm.
  • 038-007 5:07 PM · 14 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman talked on the telephone from 5:07 pm to 5:08 pm.
  • 038-008 5:08 PM · 15 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 5:08 pm and 5:48 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 038-005, April 13, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-005 (accessed October 5, 2026).