Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 38 › Conversation 038-138

Nixon phone call with Ehrlichman on Geoffrey C. Shepard and Administration

Wednesday, April 25, 1973 · 11:06 AM–1:51 PM ET · White House Telephone · 32 sec

ParticipantsEhrlichman, John D.; White House operator; Nixon, Richard M. (President)Conversation038-138 on Tape 38StartWednesday, April 25, 1973 at 11:06 AMEndWednesday, April 25, 1973 at 1:51 PMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 038-138 ↗

John D. Ehrlichman initiates a telephone call to the White House operator to facilitate a connection with Geoffrey C. Shepard. The conversation serves primarily as a logistical administrative step to establish communication between Ehrlichman and Shepard. No substantive policy matters or decisions are discussed during this brief exchange.

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This is John Ehrlichman, would you give me Jeff Shepard please?
Thank you.
Thank you.

On April 25, 1973, John D. Ehrlichman, White House operator, and President Richard M. Nixon talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 11:06 am and 1:51 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 038-138 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 38-138

Date: April 25, 1973
Time: Unknown between 11:06 am and 1:51 pm
Location: White House Telephone

John D. Ehrlichman talked with the White House operator.
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                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                                           Conversation No. 38-138 (cont’d)

[See also Conversation No. 430-4A]

     Telephone call to Geoffrey C. Shepard
  • 430-001 10:51 AM · 5 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 10:51 am to 10:58 am.
  • 430-002 10:58 AM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 10:58 am and 11:06 am.
  • 430-003 10:58 AM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 10:58 am and 11:06 am.
  • 038-139 11:06 AM · 1 min — John D. Ehrlichman and Geoffrey C. Shepard talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 11:06 am and 1:51 pm.
  • 038-140 11:06 AM · 25 sec — H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, unknown person(s), and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 11:06 am and 1:51 pm.
  • 038-141 11:06 AM · 1 min — H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Stephen B. Bull, President Richard M. Nixon, and John D. Ehrlichman talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 11:06 am and 1:51 pm.
  • 038-143 11:06 AM · 2 min — H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, unknown person(s), John D. Ehrlichman, President Richard M. Nixon, and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 11:06 am and 1:51 pm.
  • 430-004 11:06 AM · 2 hr 33 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, John D. Ehrlichman, White House operator, Geoffrey C. Shepard, unknown person(s), and Stephen B. Bull met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 11:06 am to 1:55 pm.

Conversation 038-138, April 25, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/038-138 (accessed October 5, 2026).