Nixon White House Tapes ›Tape 258 › Conversation 258-041

Nixon & Gubser on Congressional relations and Legislative strategy

Wednesday, June 23, 1971 · 2:46 PM–2:48 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building ·2 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Gubser, Charles S.Conversation258-041 onTape 258 (tape position 01:02:40–01:04:37)StartWednesday, June 23, 1971 at 2:46 PMEndWednesday, June 23, 1971 at 2:48 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 258-041 ↗

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President Nixon met with Representative Charles S. Gubser to commend his recent legislative efforts in the caucus and discuss political strategy regarding a problematic colleague. Nixon offered tactical advice on managing the internal conflict and encouraged Gubser to coordinate with White House staffer William Sullivan on the drafting of an upcoming speech. The conversation concluded with Nixon requesting a copy of the final remarks to ensure continued alignment on key policy messaging.

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Charlie, I guess I'll tell you that I was talking to Jerry a couple days ago, and he was telling me how really effective you were in the caucus on that resolution.
And also, I was thinking I'd see you sometime and tell you that I realize your neighbor over there caused a little trouble, and I don't want you to get embarrassed and have to take him on.
Where are you going to be out in California?
Oh.
Yeah.
What kind of issue do you want to get?
All right.
Well, he is.
All right.
No, no, no, you've got it now.
You've got it.
Well, if you've got a speech, Sullivan knows it's better and better than anybody else.
Walk back to him and send me a copy, will you?
And I'll get a copy of it.
But in the meantime, that's good country up there.
One day I'll come in.
And people, I don't know, he's emotional and everything.
But the guy knows better.
He's too smart.
He's like this fellow from Michigan, Greenville.
They're sort of two of a kind, aren't they?
They love that TV.
OK.
Well, anyway, I appreciate it.
I just want you to know we have to, you know, to overlook those things.
Okay.
Bye.
See you next week.
Bye.

NARA Description

On June 23, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles S. Gubser met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:46 pm to 2:48 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 258-041 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 258-41

Date: June 23, 1971
Time: 2:46 pm - 2:48 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President talked with Charles S. Gubser

[See Conversation No. 5-141]

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 258-041, June 23, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/258-041 (accessed September 18, 2026).