Conversation: 298-032
Prev: 298-031 Next: 298-033Start Date: Thursday, November 11, 1971 9:29 PM
End Date: Thursday, November 11, 1971 10:20 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Scott, Hugh; Kissinger, Henry A.; White House operator; Bull, Stephen B.; Stennis, John C.Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:36:55
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:25:44
NARA Description:
On November 11, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Hugh Scott, Henry A. Kissinger, White House operator, Stephen B. Bull, and John C. Stennis met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:29 pm to 5:20 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 298-032 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 298-32
Date: November 11, 1971
Time: 4:29 pm - 5:20 pm
Location: Executive Office Building
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
The President talked with Hugh Scott.
[Conversation No. 298-32A]
[See Conversation No. 14-49]
Henry A. Kissinger entered and talked with Scott at an unknown time after 4:29 pm.
[End of telephone conversation]
Hugh Scott
-John C. Stennis Amendment
The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 4:32 pm and
4:36 pm.
[Conversation No. 298-32B]
[See Conversation No. 14-50]
[End of telephone conversation]
Foreign aid program
-Senate vote
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Melvin R. Laird's call to Kissinger
-H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
-Leak
-Kissinger's attendance at Newsweek editors dinner
-Leak
-Kissinger's conversation with John A. Scali
-William P. Rogers
-Laird
-Newsweek
-Laird
-Haldeman
-Call to Kissinger
-Scali's conversation with Newsweek
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
-Lloyd Nolan
-Conversation with Daniel Z. Henkin
-Rogers's view
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:32 pm.
The President's schedule
-Byron Schumacher
Bull left at an unknown time before 4:36 pm.
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Rogers's views
-People's Republic of China [PRC] trip announcement
The President talked with Stennis between 4:36 pm and 4:37 pm.
[Conversation No. 298-32C]
[See Conversation No. 14-51]
[End of telephone conversation]
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Withdrawal rate
-Timing of subsequent announcement
-PRC trip announcement
-Residual forces
-Possible effect on PRC
-Timing of subsequent announcement
-Question and Answer [Q&A] session
-Evaluations
-Residual forces
-Negotiations
-Prisoners of war [POWs]
-Ceasefire
-Forthcoming announcements
-PRC trip announcement
-Withdrawal rate
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
-Negotiations with North Vietnam
-Possible “peace offensive”
-Nguyen Van Thieu
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Rogers
-Laird
-The President’s schedule
-The President's meeting with congressmen
-Gerald R. Ford
-Timing of subsequent announcements
-Negotiations
-[William J. Porter]
-Possible return from Paris
-Rogers and Laird
-Views regarding the President's decisions
-Laos, Cambodia, the President’s speech, November 3, 1969
-The President’s speech, May 14, 1969
-Rogers’s schedule
Cabinet
-Abraham Lincoln
-Carl Sandburg's book
-Edwin Stanton
-John N. Mitchell and John B. Connally
-Kissinger’s conversation with Haldeman
-Connally
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Rogers's conversation with Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
-Rogers and Laird
-The President's policy
-Prospects
-South Vietnamese capability
-Thieu
-Recent election
-Foreign aid
-Residual force
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Timing of subsequent announcements
-Negotiations with North Vietnam
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
-Rogers's views
-Administration critics
-Possible proposal
-Withdrawal rate
-POWs
-Volunteers
-The President's forthcoming trip to PRC
-Administration critics
-Dean G. Acheson's theory
-Negotiations with North Vietnam
-The President's forthcoming trip to PRC
-Popularity
-Publicity
-Press
-Kissinger’s trip to PRC
-Informing people
-Foreign allies
-Kissinger's conversation with William McMahon
-Thieu
-Korean Ambassador [Dong Jo Kim]
-Congress
-Carl T. Curtis
-Press
-Clark MacGregor
-Leaks
-Laird
-Rogers and Laird
Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:37 pm.
Rogers
-Call to the President
Bull left at an unknown time before 5:20 pm.
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Timing of subsequent announcement
-PRC trip announcement
-Rogers
-Possible call from Kissinger
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
-Laird
-Withdrawal rate
-Creighton W. Abrams's possible call to Laird
-Laird's views
-Rogers's call to the President
-Forthcoming call to Rogers
-Haig
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-Kissinger
-Laird
-PRC
-Timing of subsequent announcements
Kissinger’s schedule
The President's forthcoming press conference
-Possible press questions
-US air power in Vietnam
-Vietnamization
-Communist infiltration of South Vietnam
-US ground forces
-Withdrawal
-Administration opponents
-US China policy
-“One China”
-India-Pakistan relations
-US military aid to Pakistan
-Partisan aspect
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
-Amount
-Spare parts
-Refugees
-East Pakistan
-Self-determination
-Use of force
-PRC
Israel
-US military aid
-Phantoms
-Leonid I. Brezhnev's proposal
-Rogers's treatment of Israel
-1972 election
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-Phantoms
-United Nations [UN] speech
-Egypt
-Negotiations
-The President's role
-Possible meeting with Golda Meir
-[Unintelligible]
-Phantoms
-Joseph J. Sisco
Intelligence
-Reorganization
-Kissinger's conversation with W[illiam] Stuart Symington
-Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board [FIAB]
-Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
-Richard M. Helms
-View
-Role
-Kissinger's committee's role
-The President’s possible comments
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Kissinger's forthcoming call to Rogers
-The President's activities
-Clifford M. Hardin
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
-Pay Board
-Haldeman and Stephen B. Bull
-Pay Board
-Calls to Scott and Stennis
-Haig
-Laird's recommendations
Rogers
-The President's forthcoming trips to PRC and USSR
Cabinet
-Possible meeting
-Rogers and Laird
The President's forthcoming trip to PRC
-Chou En-lai's schedule
-Rogers
-Plenary session
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Kissinger's forthcoming call to Rogers
-The President's schedule
-Laird’s proposals
The President's schedule
-Pay Board
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Rogers
-Forthcoming call from Kissinger
-Possible call from the President
Berlin
-Rogers's phone conversations
-Kissinger and Haldeman
-[David] Kenneth Rush
Rogers
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
David Kraslow of the Los Angeles Times
-Conversation with Kissinger
-State Department briefing
-The President's forthcoming trip to PRC
-Cambodia
The President's forthcoming trip to PRC
-Richard F. Pederson's conversation with unknown person
-Adam Clymer of New York Times
-Planning
-Warsaw talks
-The President's orders to Walter J. Stoessel
-Kissinger's possible call to Kraslow
-State Department
-Rogers
-Pederson
State Department
-Rogers
-White House
-The President's forthcoming trips to PRC and USSR
-Preparation
-Papers
-The President's knowledge of foreign relations
-Knowledge of foreign relations
Vietnam
-Forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement
-Kissinger's forthcoming call to Rogers
-The President's activities
-Pay Board
-Haig's memorandum
-Laird's memorandum
-The President’s policy
-Prospects
-Rogers
-Kissinger’s forthcoming calls to Rogers and Laird, November 12, 1971
-Informing people
-[McMahon]
-Australian Ambassador [Sir James Plimsoll]
-Korean Ambassador [Dong Jo Kim]
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF
Tape Subject Log
(rev. 10/06)
Conv. No. 298-32 (cont.)
-The President's possible call to Rogers
Kissinger left at 5:20 pm.