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Tell me, is your wife waiting for you for dinner?

No, sir.

Have you had dinner?

No, I need to eat.

No, no, sir.

Excuse me, what do you mean?

I was going to have a listen.

How about that right now?

That be good for you?

Yeah, all right, sir.

Fine, all right.

For two, I know.

Fifteen minutes.

This is a crumbly patch, eggs, you know, this is a likely fix.

Well, I'm bringing him, uh, scotch and soda.

That'd be fine.

Or scotch and water.

Soda.

Scotch and soda's one.

I have to talk to Richardson.

I gotta keep, I gotta keep this over, bitch.

I'm glad you talked to him.

I understand.

He should have said that.

No, he said it helped.

He said, believe it or not, it helped.

Well, if it did, I don't give a shit.

They can piss on everybody else all they want if it helps.

He said the name, uh, the names that he gave to Brown and, uh, that fellow just knocked him off their pins.

What Frank's name did he give him?

Uh, you know, the ex-cover.

Pat Brown, did he give that as a name?

Yes.

Well, that's my suggestion.

Well, it was.

No, what I'm saying is, they said, he has four names that he put in.

Oh, I should count the list of the man named Kyle in New York.

But they said, did you get any suggestions?

He said, oh, I had suggestions from a lot of people.

Did you get any from the White House?

He said, yes.

Oh, he said Brown and Hearn.

And Hearn.

And they went, of course, that's true.

We were suggesting Democrats and the Post.

So he said it really helped.

But this was just a suggestion, and it was a very strong...

Caveat that I had absolutely, completely way ahead of this was just to give me some ideas to find something for him.

So, he said I didn't have it.

I was going off the water.

I'm having his act of David reproduced now and get popular.

Wow.

It's very good for you.

Sure.

Very.

In fact, it couldn't be better.

But it is not good for Bob and John.

Why?

You know, as we said, we went to that meeting where they told things to Gordon and Greg.

They tell Greg that the CIA was involved and that we should finalize that investigation.

That's the end.

Then what did you say?

Yeah, he said that, uh,

Gray said, well, I had had a report yesterday from him.

He said, well, there may be some, and I went back and checked.

All right.

So he went back the next day and told me, through an LDI, that he had checked and talked to him, and we're back with the CIA.

All right.

And that was a Thursday, and the following morning, Ben Caldwell was invited to see him.

And I think it was the guy who was his father.

He was after David.

He was after David, and he was testing him.

And he said, look, he says that he told him, God, you're trying to drag the president down.

He said, I'll resign.

The inference was that he would go to you if you want to, if you feel as strong, you better order me, and it better be the president who ordered me.

And he would back off.

So at the end of the assignment, he said, well, it's very clear, very clear, that there's no presidential involvement in this issue.

And he goes around and he said, I'm sure that everyone agrees.

And they all agreed.

Now, Hill was just coming in.

He's in now.

And Walters is out with him now.

The important thing we have to find out about Hill is whether he remembers this meeting, whether he's happy to meet him later.

That's right.

He doesn't remember me, but he doesn't make any difference.

I know if it's necessary, I'll get that fire on him.

It's only you and I know about it.

But the other thing is, we've got to be sure of this.

I don't know whether he was meant to work on the illness.

Why?

We made three hearings that day.

No, no, he would never go to work on Helm.

Don't worry about that.

Don't worry about Helm.

He never would work on Helm.

Because Helm is considered to be a Democrat.

He would work on Walters.

I can assure you.

I am not worried about that.

When can you hear from Walters?

With Helm now.

Yes.

I said we'd have to know if there would be any surprises or any issues.

And he said, I can assure you, he said, God damn it, he's got to know this.

Nothing said, if I get water, it doesn't mean anything, but I'm totally supportive of him.

I hope not.

He's a great kid.

I know he is.

And he's really, his problem was, he overstated it for a minute.

Yes, and the fact that, that Gray had apparently, uh, he had checked with Gray's testimony, and he felt that he hadn't portrayed it the way he did.

It looked as if he was trying to get Gray to mitigate towards the ID call, and it was not.

Is that correct?

Now, we've got only one thing that we've got to defend the presidency, but by God, Bob and John didn't get out of this for a reason.

None of it was done.

You can't be convicted of anything, not under our system of law.

Do you understand that?

And as I understand today, Bob got grilled and grilled on this thing.

They asked him about this so-called EU.

He said, I have no idea.

He said, I only ever had one discussion.

on the CIA involvement, and to... and, uh...

I can't quite go into the details of the other matters discussed today.

Not because of the national security, Frank.

You should stick right with that.

Let Bob keep his privilege.

Don't let anybody talk to you about, uh... talk us out.

Bob and John have got to keep their privilege to the butt right up to the outpost.

You know what I'm saying?

I think, uh...

They're drunk.

You know, 18 out of the 20 are Negroes?

Shit.

What kind of jury do you think this is?

They're getting the bag out of these juries.

No wonder it's taking too long.

I'm not sure.

You know, I, uh, Applemont called.

Oh, how'd they get, did somebody get to him?

Uh, yeah, because the lawyer was putting the facts together.

He's read the story, too.

He said, God damn it, don't say anything yet.

Let him get in deeper and then clobber him.

He said, because we're doing this, he is a whistle-blower.

Of course they are.

B and Bob are on the whole goddamn thing now, which is wonderful.

They have friends that would do that for you, like Johnson, the son of Extola.

Here are two guys at home.

You know what I mean?

It's really a great story.

I don't want to put it out right now.

The hell with it.

I'm not going to put out my credit card.

But screw it.

That's the right thing to do.

Or to reiterate what we've put out before.

Just think of what we've done before.

Huh?

Think of what we've done now.

We were defensive about that.

What we owe to be is absolutely out of reach.

The thing about this...

You put out a story of, now as a result of the investment, the story of the Santa Ana Register, the president admits that Robert Ackerman, the C.R.R.

Bozo, invested in this.

Shit, it looks as if they forced us out.

The thing to do is to say, it's held in trust, the president has only that, and that is our line, and stick their little greases on it.

Now somebody at the trust company, at the title company, blows a fine, and will say, sure, that's true.

But don't, let them put it out there.

Don't be so anxious.

This is, Len is wonderful, but Len tends to want to go out and hang everything out at a time when you don't need to.

Al, you know how this is.

So you just hide it and you don't care.

If they want to start feeding more and taking more and making more of you in those tracks, better get out there and deliver it.

I said, look, he said, we'll let him get out all the way.

And I said, well, you've already reported it.

He said, well, now, I want you to know, anything, if you want to put the whole thing out on, what do you have?

And I said, well, we're going to...

The whole story is so goddamn good, it's so nice.

The two friends, nice guys, which makes not a goddamn cent for them, you know, put up the money for this property adjoining mine.

It's a great thing, isn't it?

That's right.

Who else would do such a thing?

Interested in the presidency and the legacy.

And the foundation, they said, well, look, we don't want a bunch of, frankly, cikes to get this place, which they would have, which is sure as hell.

If I bought this property, they would have chucked it all over and sold it off.

So Bob and Bigby decided, we'll buy the property.

So they put it all in trust.

I'm in the trust.

What the hell?

Are they going to hold them back?

Well, he said before, he said this before, and I've been waiting for it.

I told him we're not going to put up with it.

any more than what we've put out before.

That's right.

Don't put out any more.

If you do it out, if you put out more, it makes it appear that we are being driven.

I heard him say, this is the statement and this is the truth.

And let's find out if it isn't the truth.

The only thing I wanted to do was to be sure that the lawyer had checked out the old statement and be sure it was true.

Oh, it is true.

It is true.

I hope the truth changes the detail every time.

I just purchased 15 additional acres.

I know nothing about them.

That must be somebody else.

That's what I think.

I don't, I'm sure Bob or Len, but Bob or Pete, I don't think they're buying the property out.

It's not a good investment.

They're too smart.

So you see, that must be something else, you see.

I don't know what it is.

I haven't seen it.

I haven't heard the person.

Well, Richardson says he thinks he's coming along all right.

I want him to get it confirmed.

That's what I'm getting at.

That's what I'm trying to tell him.

He was locked down, Michael.

I want him to keep his fucking dog around.

Start fighting.

I didn't want him.

He was very apologetic.

He said, well, there's a need for me.

And I said, well, there's a goddamn thought that has to go on here.

I have an idea.

I'm going to give you the idea.

We're trying to get on with this and get to the truth, get to goddamn good.

Anything I say to you, from now on, is going to be for the record.

I couldn't agree more.

And me too, Beto.

I will never trust the son of a bitch again.

Don't worry.

I will never trust the son of a bitch again.

You know, we've only got a few people you can trust.

I trust nobody in the cast, as you know.

And I will never say a single thing to anybody.

If you take Henry, if you start questioning him, now, I'd never say anything to Henry.

And they don't expect to be on this recorder, which is not recording what you and I are saying.

You've got to know this.

We won't tell them, but it goes.

But it's all now.

I've got it all.

And it has to be.

I see why Johnson did it.

Do you agree or not?

I think in your position, you've got to know it.

No way.

Do you think Henry knows that I had this recording?

I didn't know it, so Bob told me.

I didn't know it happened, so I didn't know.

Well, I'll tell you quite a funny thing.

I suggested that you found this video.

To Henry?

What did he say?

To Kerry.

He took it aboard.

I guess you're good.

You want to go back and do it again?

Yeah.

Good.

I said to Henry,

You have no way to protect yourself.

Look Al, I have recorded every telephone conversation I've ever had.

And I have recorded everything in this room, everything in the Oval Office, everything in the Lincoln sitting room, everything at Camp Data.

Alright.

That ain't bad.

I thought you told me to let him know that.

Huh?

I thought, okay.

But you got it across good?

Yes, sir.

Good.

He knows that.

I want him to know that he can't go out swinging wild without knowing it by the time he's got the record.

He'll kill him.

Because Henry, as you know, will target his flank.

We must not let him do it at the expense of the presidency.

Oh, he doesn't want to do that, does he?

No.

No, he's...

I agree with everything.

I just want to be very honest with you.

He was really very concerned about what's coming up in the summit.

I said, but look, Al.

Look, Al, you and Henry are going to take the line.

Of course we ordered this investigation.

Of course we approved it.

Of course we looked at these.

We had to protect the national security.

Can we get that across at all?

He got smoked out of the house by a local house owner.

He said, Henry was the one that requested all of this stuff.

You recognize his name?

I said, eh.

So Henry had pigments all over his hands, and I said, God damn it, I'm proud of it.

I tried, proud of it.

He said, yes, of course I requested it.

Absolutely.

And he did, he laid it out.

Oh, did he say that?

Yeah, he had the four newspaper guys talking about what he said.

And he said, these were, uh,

Investigations of people in my office.

And I authorized it.

Well, I don't think he said he authorized it, but I very clearly was part of the thing.

Correct.

He can't get away from it after a crisis.

Everybody knows that because he's had a big spurt over this ship.

He loved it.

But he didn't, uh, he was the frightening, the frightening...

Exactly.

You and me and all the rest.

And you should have too.

You know that.

We were all after these damn traitors.

Basically, there were traitors on the NSC staff.

You know what I know.

Take that goddamn helmet.

He was a goddamn traitor.

He was a traitor.

That's right.

Of course, Jay Edgar was the one who came over back in.

That's right.

And they, right, and Henry wouldn't believe it, would he?

Remember?

Do you remember that, Tom?

Well, I, at that time, I casually got very close to him for the operation, but the chairman of J.A.

Earle Wheeler, both came over here.

The chairman?

The chairman of the Wheeler.

The chairman of who?

Earle Wheeler.

Yeah, what'd they say?

They tell him, knock him around, help him in the NSC stand, because of his transfer.

Get that out.

Now, that has got to get out now.

I want to help her destroy it.

Now, we've got to start playing the PR game here.

We've already said that we shouldn't be honest with the staff and the rest.

You know what, really, why are we going to get out of this thing?

The stuff we sent to the judge, is that going to get out or not?

We haven't met.

Tell me about it.

I don't know what it is.

Who did you leave it to?

Somebody had a question.

The guard.

Do you think he knows how it was done?

He didn't call me.

Everything was layered as it is.

All right, fine.

A layer is good.

That's bizarre.

He thought it was a good thing to get out.

He takes it essentially.

It's going to help for every sign.

How is he going to get it back?

In other words, it will appear in the press what this man's plot was.

If they're willing to print it.

You know, it's another one of those things.

If they are willing to print it, we'll give it to Jack Anderson.

Huh?

That's the one.

We should use it.

He will have it.

Shit, if that doesn't work.

Anderson will print it back.

I picture Bazaar close to Anderson.

In a curious way.

Yeah, I'm not sure.

I think it's great that he is.

Because he would use him rather than have us use him.

That guy's later used him.

He's already has more lines.

Good.

See, he's been to every investigation in this town in the last three years.

Right in the middle.

And he knows that they're going to have a fight.

We've got contacts in all these communities.

No, I'm looking at the Dean thing.

That comes up, we think in the morning.

No, that's the next thing.

The last and fourth thing.

What in the name of God is the matter with the judge here?

What in the Christ is the matter?

I don't think it matters.

I just think being a guy who's playing this for all it's worth is... Who?

The judge of the Dean.

Oh, the judge.

Yeah, but he is...

He wants attention.

He's getting the humanities done.

Because for years I had to get mentioned to the big guys.

I did the Dean stuff.

Thank God I did take the time to make it.

Your insistence.

I don't like to check my own records because I do my recollections.

There's a goddamn thing in there for me.

Except a new sign.

One, he's making news on everything, and four years to this son of a bitch.

Why?

He's just, he's got nothing.

In the present.

You understand?

I don't understand.

Well, he probably got stuff from Hunt.

That's what I think is private stuff.

There's Hunt, there's this, there's that.

And there's only, there's only reports.

Well, there's only reports.

But I think there's stuff from Hunt that say that early on he was so concerned about Hunt's stuff getting out, that early on,

And my guess is that the president, whatever he could, he avoids having that come out.

You know?

That's the worst we can have.

But Dean is not a very believable fellow in our ACL.

That's the trouble with him.

He's very eerie.

That's what I know.

In fact, even Peterson told Bazaar, he said, I'll be very effective.

One prosecutor is never going to get himself out.

He said, you need a pen.

He said, there isn't one witness that's consistent with the night.

There's no way, based on what we have now, to be in the night.

He said, it's an absolute nightmare.

Really, he has no way in the night?

Well, he's like a breeder, I'm sure, a breeder's professor.

He apparently doesn't even care that he's got that on him.

It's hard to believe that the guy just laid it out.

This isn't the God that he's playing.

There he is, but it's not so bad.

Oh, that's not so bad.

You can have it in Houston.

I agree.

But now, you and I have got to get off and visit this goddamn country.

We can't be obsessed with it.

Today we have to be.

Tomorrow I want to be, I want to find out what the dean's documents are over there.

But beyond that, nothing else.

You understand?

Screw it all.

I don't care what Walters says.

I don't care what Helms says.

I don't care what other people say.

And you mustn't care.

You and I have got to get on with the business of this damn country.

That's right.

You read it.

That's the lawyer.

That's how the bazaar is in charge.

And at the end of the day, he can tell you, well, we had this, we had this package here today, and this package here tomorrow.

Otherwise, we're going to be in the middle now of every stinking little thing that's going to happen.

We can't do this.

We've got to run the country.

We're going to take the attrition.

Look, I'm talking to Rob.

Now, Rob, you're worried about the fact that we're taking some attrition from the press and the polls.

Screw it.

We're going to take it for another two months.

And then we'll come back.

But don't worry about it.

Don't react to the goddamn period of attrition.

Now we just do the job.

Don't you agree?

That's the best solution to this problem.

Don't react in a jumpy, panicky way every time somebody comes up.

They want a job.

The more we react, the more these bastards will play.

Except on one thing.

On this million-dollar thing, we've got to attack them, assault them, and destroy them.

Don't you agree?

Yes.

Because that is a libel of unbelievable pretension.

I think it is true.

I think that can tend to discredit the measure.

I am almost in the mood to do it myself.

No, I mustn't.

Boy, tomorrow, I'm going to make the goddamned mistake that you ever heard of.

They don't retract this publicly.

It just has to be a fake one.

A fake one.

It can't be working the other way.

That's not even nothing defensive.

Oh, it's defensive.

It's defensive.

Good God.

There's a liar in this question.

You're not mistaken.

That he stole a million dollars.

Shut up.

It's totally untrue.

Now this is one where we've got the people committed by the balls.

And they're not retracted.

They've allowed that kind of a libel to lay 24 hours here without retracting.

Do you mind pointing out a little bit more of those?

We've got carnivores and that means enthusiasm about this.

It's like staffing this period all the time.

That's, this is what we've been waiting for.

I know they can't stand it.

They always do.

The committee is due, you know.

Yes, sir.

They're due.

You need to get discouraged.

You're carrying a hell of a load over here.

All this crap is flowing in and out.

Believe me, we're going to beat these guys.

We've got to beat them out.

They're going to be able to go stay tough on you.

They're going to stay tough on you.

That's right.

Stay tough and say we're covering up.

Fine.

Yes, we are.

Okay?

The more you give them, the more they care about you.

That's right.

Don't give them a damn dime.

Huh?

This is a month in our climate.

Everybody says it's bad.

Bizarre is the belief that you give them more stuff than they give you.

Anything but.

He's very strong in it.

He's got a very strong hope that this will strip us all away from it.

That's awesome.

Thank you.

You have to pull it all the way.

Oh, absolutely.

Take the scotch away and see what kind of red wine you've got.

You've got a nice bottle of good red wine.

Yes, sir.

That's the wine.

No, he's the guy who was fighting all the way.

He said, why don't you go out and announce the fight?

Now they know.

Now if they obstruct this blow, screw them.

It's going to be tough.

All of them will appear like a liar.

They're going to start to do tricks and that, and hurt themselves.

They can say it's a false national security.

They're not going to do it, right?

They're going to do it.

They don't have any money to pay.

I'm not sure.

I don't.

Now they're paying us over.

Well, their stuff is, you know, they said, spicy.

But, it was always sultry.

Directly against those, uh,

Oh, so you think this does show that we did the right thing about it, don't you?

You mean, your personality, uh, you're talking about the CIA?

I'm going to get into that.

You ready?

I'm going to do it one more time.

Is that bad?

Yes, you're right.

Now, I'm going to get into that game.

I'm going to get into that game.

We didn't try to arrest him.

I don't believe in that.

I stand on my own words and stand on my own words and stand on my own words and stand on my own words and stand on my own words

That was a good line, a great line.

I'll leave the bottle here in the car.

Okay.

But Bob and John should not go right up to that bed and try to respond.

Stay the hell out of it.

Don't lose family.

Stay the hell out of it.

Well, one might need to know tonight is that Helm is going to become a son of a bitch.

He's got this whole career of writing and writing.

I thought he was a hell of a chorus musician.

He's a good whine all the way.

Well, let's take a look at the setup.

I've been finding they can also play with their helmets.

Right.

It works for me because I can't find them.

So I need to go to the tech center and see if I can find them.

So I need to get a license, right?

I know.

Oh, I know.

We're gonna look back on this, one hell of a battle.

But, you know, I'm for awards.

You wouldn't want to go through it again, but you wouldn't miss it.

Right?

That's right.

We're gonna win.

In fact, we're gonna get a fellowship at the 15th for another month.

Don't worry about it.

But we've gotta get the...

Don't.

Go off and on and say, well, the president goes down the next note of television and says, should I have made one last two weeks ago?

You see, that's a very major mistake.

I think what's denied is that every two weeks, the Congress will say, deny it.

You need to hear reassurance from the president.

Oh, shit.

I've got to do it.

Or you read it.

But at least you're going to be able to illustrate what it means to monitor the economy.

That's going to be the last thing.

Maybe we'll have white papers on the town, right?

We're going to be migrating before the nation again and building this goddamn issue up just too damn much.

Building a writing press.

That's why the idea of those bigger papers.

And they should be the white papers on the whole thing.

But not now.

Not now.

Wait until they see the rights of their eyes.

See, I feel that, struggling now, answering to life.

I spoke two weeks ago, but I thought it was great, you know what I mean?

That was fine.

Then, next week, other things come out.

And they say, well, we should maybe just cover it again.

No.

Oh, I think it was good.

I did speak to some of them.

And it was good.

We did have Bob called in, Irving Lee Hunt.

Given this time.

Very difficult.

I've had a demand, see, I've had a demand that I do under pressure.

Well, I don't want to.

Like I didn't know about this problem.

I read it.

This part is scary.

There's totally nothing anybody can do.

I read about it all the time.

It is totally fascinating.

Have you ever heard of it?

No.

Sorry, I've never heard of it.

Nobody.

We're wasting our time.

Let the whole goddamn world go to hell.

Maybe.

No, this is what I'm talking about.

The point is, we don't care whether it goes to hell or goes to heaven, it depends on us now, and we must let this son of a bitch and little thing tear us down.

That's what these assholes want.

They want it.

Actually, they want it.

They want it.

Our animals.

And they ain't gonna get it.

Right?

I'll have to do the bizarre thing.

What do you want to do?

I'll be sure he's, you know, I've been relying on Dean and all of them.

Frankly, not all of them, but early in the system.

He's done a great job.

Chef.

I said, you know, John's a bad judge of a man there.

Huh?

Well, I thought he was a nice guy.

He was a hot shot kid, right?

That's what he was.

You know, he'd do big things.

Work for the eventual office, or the eventual president.

He didn't be in the student union.

Why?

That's my water.

The water's in the building.

The water

I think Dean was on his own at that time.

I think he decided to be a smart ass.

Did he testify?

No.

Walters?

No.

That's not bad.

My problem is not holding her up as much as it would be for the proper reason that the guy would agree to discredit me and become the enemy of the crime.

Okay?

And realize that we discredited him.

Just tell someone you asked that.

They didn't know what I said.

I can't believe you told Walter to put these statues on their table?

Now I am.

Do you think Bob or John would have suggested to come and see?

Maybe they did.

I don't know.

I can't believe it.

I guess I wanted to do something.

Yeah, that's what I asked you to do.

What?

Tell me.

I'm not there.

If I see one, huh, they can see one.

And I'm pretty black, what do I do?

Put these guys on their heels, shit.

But it wasn't true, and it was there in the military.

But it's really the best way to treat the state.

That's all I'm going to do here.

Second, I'm going to leave that.

Everything is cold blooded.

There's cold medication.

Tomorrow's the 14th of April, not May.

Tomorrow's the 15th.

We'll kick the ass.

We'll kick the balls tomorrow.

Let me tell you, we are going to kick the shit out of them on this million dollar show.

You may not realize how bad a loo-loo that is in there.

That's a hell of a landmine, right here.

We can destroy everything that committee does.

We need, we need to get one out tomorrow.

And put it on the camera.

Let's try it.

Four seconds to take on the evidence.

Put it on.

Otherwise, the committee is destroyed.

It's small.

Indicted itself, that's I do as an attorney, not this one.

Indicted itself by irresponsibility, by failing to retract the libel of the President of the United States.

Do you know what I mean?

I trust they don't do it.

I hope they don't do a goddamn thing.

I don't want them to retract it.

I know, I know.

Yeah.

Nothing further from the committee they still think they're stopping the nature attitude.

Yeah.

That's very good.

However, we've got to understand that it's not to our interest really to have Earl and Taylor who are both just one-eyed sassholes.

You know, repudiate this thing.

Tomorrow, however, when you go on, for your brief, at 10.30, forget this goddamn thing that's going to be going on with the leader.

You go out there at 10.30 with Cameron.

Now, you understand?

And Ron, take down what I told you.

You've got it down, you know.

That means that the committee will have died itself.

It hasn't.

This committee hasn't died itself.

Tomorrow is the time to start attacking the committee.

You understand?

Because they will not, they will not have access.

You understand?

They will not have access.

They can't do the long run.

They never will have access.

That will force them to act later in the day.

And I would say to this committee, but don't put it in any nice terms, but I would very tough that they have, by their failure, to allow this story for two days.

But that will be too big to understand.

Do you understand?

For two days they have allowed it.

They have allowed it to lie there without repudiating it, without doing it.

That, first, they've abetted themselves for the responsibility.

Second, to demand an apology from the committee and a retraction.

And third, to demand an immediate benefit of abetting the committee's duty to be responsible and to discharge that person.

Now, have you done all that or not?

But we've got to do this, and don't let him get you off of this.

I don't think he will want you to.

Because basically, this, you've got to hit him.

Now, there may be a half-assed thing, like Irving, you know, the night, or like, I don't know.

They have a copy, and they have to have it.

What do you say?

I know we want to demand a formal retracting by the whole committee of this space.

Yeah.

All right.

Now, a formal retracting of the whole committee is required.

And you lay it right out there and fight her and fight the rest.

All right.

Okay.

The register says we've identified their stories as assholes.

You've got to know it's not true.

No, they've got us.

We've asked the rest of them if they can.

Well, they don't.

Yeah, they do.

Maybe you put that off the timeline.

We think we were out there figuring it out.

That's what we need to look at.

I know him.

I know him very well.

He's tough and totally untrustworthy.

But we want to get at him.

Maybe we've got to charge him.

But let me say, we're not going to put them through the sort of mess.

No doubt about that.

That's, in fact, this is the one that's returned now.

I think we're going to have to fight the committee.

Fight it hard.

There's got to be one out of the rest of y'all.

They all do.

Who is he going to pick?

It will be Tyler.

Who is Tyler?

Harold Tyler, New York judge.

He's a man.

They're going to pick his son over there.

And I think we've got to understand, it's always different.

You know, I've heard John, never listen to any of the questions that come first.

When I'm asked, what do you say to me?

Screw it.

I don't send a goddamn thing to the United States.

No president has ever asked you to do anything for me.

You don't ask me to be a prosecutor.

The only person who can try to prosecute me is a goddamn senator of the United States.

Is that clear?

Nobody's going to ask me to do all this stuff.

Let's see how much you'd rate me.

In fact, it's the only thing.

Thank you.

The less you're in this thing, the better the whole thing is going to be.

Leave it to Holt and Hurley, the rest of the fight is coming down.

They've done a great job out of this thing.

And they'll play it pretty good.

They won't play it.

I mean, they're pissed off.

They're going to be a hell of a lot more credible than Deacon.

But they're, you know, just in their way, they're better at it.

The committee does not have a good witness for that reason.

That's me.

We have all the hurdles in the city.

And that's what we're going to do.

I'm going to give you a train of bulletin energy.

Regardless of what Irving has asked him to say in the paper, he's got to strike that committee and strike it hard.

A formal apology and retraction from the committee.

Apology, retraction and apology from the committee.

And discharge, immediate investigation of whoever was responsible and discharge of that individual.

And leave the story happening the other time is not my belief.

Leave the story.

Have that leave.

And I'm waiting.

Thank you.

You got any other problems?

Well, this will call it for us for today, sir.

I gave you an interview before I left the place.

Oh, my.

I'm sorry to make my quiet a little busy for you.

Well, that's good.

But let me tell you, when I meet these bastards, I'll be gone.

They might have done something to make me mad or anything like that.

Jesus Christ, huh?

Oh, there we go.

There we go.