Nixon, Rogers & Finch on Diplomatic travel and Latin American relations

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Good eye, all right.

Good.

Thank you.

Is the floor heater still there at the present?

Yeah.

I'm trying to find a cure for cancer there.

The first time they did something like that, it worked.

Yeah.

I thought it was up on the bench.

It was turning and, you know, you never know.

Then they, when they put him on the ground, I realized we were getting some territory.

You know, he was working on it.

Yeah, it was really too big.

And walking over, he pulls his leg, you know, he has a lot of chairs to dance in.

He is a nice fellow.

Very nice fellow.

I know Bowie Coon is a high-class fellow, too.

Very nice.

Baseball, there are a million more this year than last year.

A million more?

A million in attendance.

Increased attendance.

Pretty good.

Very good.

There's a very good team.

Well, let me ask Bill, who's on your department's side.

Well, I've worked with him somewhere on the right, though, and I think they've come up with a really good, a very good schedule.

We didn't want to have anything that wasn't like that.

Fine.

When does he leave?

He'll be still on his side.

6 November, we come back around the 21st, 22nd, we cart that back.

What I had planned was to go back to Concord for a couple of hours a week, and go out and do it again.

I thought, when we were going earlier, that these first stops might be nice to go.

You already know that.

We're going back to that way.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

First, I heard it, and then Tom heard it, and then Trudy, and then fucking a lot of people coming in from the population.

And he feels that I'm his closest friend, because he was a vice president when I was a vice president.

Oh, my God, yeah, yeah.

He's been here for half a year.

Yeah, he wants everybody to go to Bob.

Well, and Billy Graham, of course, is going, because he's advising him.

So he spoke to Pat about it, and she's going to go.

And I think it's a hell of an idea to listen to this.

That will have some other applicants come.

The point that I wanted you to check, if you would.

I don't think you could take any tour, but if there was one other country that was having a ceremony, or a, we're giving them something, or they've had a flood, or...

kill somebody she could do it you know i mean i don't or maybe it's just best if you go to the library and come back but uh you went there of course

But the other, of course, is not the reason to go there.

Let me look.

The other would be Donald.

Of course, Donald is a good friend of ours and needs help and is having trouble.

And he was there in 1957, so he could make a return there.

It's close.

It's closed.

You could go there.

Nigeria, of course, would be good for another standpoint.

But I think the way you could do it would be to just justify it on the basis of, let's say, the way out of it.

I think what we ought to do, you work out when it should be announced that he's going.

And we'll announce Graham, of course.

And then the other thing is, if you could pick, if there is a, I don't have any.

But if she could, she could do a couple of others, one or two others.

But, you know, in God's mind, she could do both.

You know, I hear you.

But the way it's going on, I was thinking, is it you who would give the word?

to, uh, if they got the word that she was going on the one, maybe to disannounce the one.

That's what I would do, to announce she was going to go there.

And then the word would come to you from them, saying, we, uh, we urge you to come, and then you excite the invitation.

How about that?

And I'm sure they'll ask, they might ask.

Well, that'd be wonderful to do that.

And, uh, for example, what I was saying is that we were getting this,

a school or an agricultural station or something like that or a peace corps or anything like that.

I think that is very good.

Good.

Well, that's a one for that.

Now on your trip, Bob, how many, uh,

You're going to go for how many days?

About 20, 29 days, 19 and a half.

Well, this is it.

So, uh, South and Perth, uh, Argentina, uh, Ecuador, um, Brazil, Brazil, and, uh, we're doing it, uh, I don't know, I don't want to talk, you know, I don't know.

And, and I guess, uh,

whether or not I wonder if

But we're taking on some people like .

We're going to put some more money into it now, where there's stable governments.

And he says .

Yes, sir.

That's good.

Are you going to have any small country other than Argentina?

Argentina.

We have a vision.

It's all .

How do you think you ought to try something like ?

That is the way it is.

I was looking at those votes.

I don't know.

No, I mean, you know, Columbia's bus building.

I don't think I go to this building.

Columbia is friendly.

And they are.

The reason you might go there is that they are considered to be very democratic.

Yeah, I'm sure of that.

I think you'll have a great day.

What do you plan, in a way, how to do it?

Well, like I said, there are two meetings that are responsible, that I need to propose, which should come to fruition, and that I get the sponsorship of.

Oh, yes, one is on tourism, and that's in, where that's always there.

All right.

And one is on, and by the way, this is on the Palmer Highway in the center of the horizon.

That's where you had to get the desk account.

Well, that's where the link goes.

That's where the Congress is in Keto.

In Keto, correct.

Yeah.

So as a matter of fact, that's one of the few things I did as a matter of fact.

I pushed that crew.

You made a commitment to, well, we got a crew to, you know, over to Little Texas, what they call Little Texas, or Panama.

And that was a reenactment.

So I think the Bureau of Public Heroes was going to be a big, I asked them, 25 years, and I said, five years.

And I had learned a lot.

And, you know, even my own kids learned a bad job.

That's a good one.

So I think it's going to be a good show.

And we've got some, we've got the head of the International Highway Association, a few other people from the Delegation of Commerce, and a few other people.

Well, you're going to take how many people then?

Well, we're going to take the delegations themselves because they're in travel separately.

So we'll take a few resource people that are out of the state with some private, we'll bring them down these private operations too.

We will make investments.

We will not try to adopt the majority interest.

And so it is important that we are, we have some things that we're willing to expand on here, like Parson, like El-Mahdi and these other companies.

And we're watching all the landmines

And we're going to have some real technical assistance on this infection and infectious disease thing.

We're taking them free, including the head of the American Health Organization, who is now our surgeon general.

And we're going to have a big bunch of technical assistance.

So we're coming very soon.

I tell you about it ahead of time.

We're just going for these two-step events.

We're not trying to make a good wheelchair.

We're going to build as it builds.

I was good about it.

But the rest, the planters, the doctor, the studio, all their pieces, they're now

And the other thing is the 10%.

Well, you've got some time.

By that time, you may have some.

And I guess an imposter.

He is exactly totally discouraged.

That's true.

We were going to get a call this morning.

Well, we'll have to talk to him before he goes, because he's going to go to his other room.

Oh, wait a minute.

When does he go?

Oh, he doesn't go.

He doesn't leave for a while.

But you ought to have a look at it.

Well, I think I have a comment.

The other thing about this, and I just want to say this, Mr. President, after having two miserable damn days, but that kept me on the same street in Chicago, New York,

and they're up in the garage, and there's some men, they're being gerrymandered in Chicago, they're born and died in Chicago alone.

In California, where they're gerrymandered on, they're simply assassins.

And we had 25 or 26 of their so-called community groups in there, and they are up in the garage, and there's just no question about it.

Goodbye, Tom.

I don't know about this, but I've lost my race over there.

I don't know whether that's on, but the point is that she's got an entirely bad rap there.

That goddamn Otis Tanner has wetbacks for the thousands working for him.

Does he?

How many wetbacks are there?

800,000.

They all have a relative or brother or something.

I can hire myself.

And that's how you pay them exactly the same.

And there's nothing, you know, you can't check the individual who hired you.

They have no responsibility to check on seeing whether or not the guy, are you here legally?

They have no responsibility whatever.

And actually they would come and work for the Mexican law.

And what they're asking is something else.

And we're at the right time to tell them that.

Sanchez, who's not Israeli, or what's the name of the one, and he's from Jersey, he's weird.

They haven't had to...

And either so, they're just, I think, right to your conscience, and they're holding the whole thing up.

They ought to be in that doctor, too.

I think that's a very nice question, and it speaks to the next.

So I'm going there, and I took a chunk of that book.

The original is there.

Well, they're some goddamn Democrats.

I mean, it's not what we've done.

But the others have.

But we've done quite a bit for the people.

You've got a lot of strength there.

Well, that would be a good trick for you to know that.

They'll have to take the hell out of you.

Yeah, right.

Well, that's what we get in the way of.

Right, Bill?

You've got to do it now.

You've got to do it well.

You've got a long time to do it.

Okay, you've got to do it.

That's what makes you an interesting man.

Well...

After all is said and done, they are an awfully nice bunch of people down there.

They are basically, they'd like to be our friends.

They deserve some attention.

I don't think you can under the 10% thing is now.

Oh, I don't mean now.

That's sometime next year.

Well, we left a little problem there.

We didn't know what it was going to be.

I think it would be very useful.

Well, we went out to the spot and picked a safe place.

That's the reason I haven't gone.

It's not safe.

No, we moved here.

We got a safe place.

What about the possibility of routine courtesy letters that I can take to the peasant state on this trip?

Oh, sure.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, we did do it on a Western European trip for another reason, but I just wanted to... Oh, this one's your... Oh, yeah.

This is gone to be yesterday.

We want to build up the trip in terms of that.

We would appreciate the courtesy.

You were there this morning.

you know, personal representative, et cetera, et cetera.

And if you're prepared to discuss various matters, we'll do that.

And you'll report it directly to the attorney.

That's what I had to do in my life.

Mrs. Marcus, thank you for what you said.

She's a tough guy.

I've never been.

She just likes you.

I don't want to see you get a small party with little Christian and the rest of you because...

She's been, well, she's called me and asked me.

Yeah.

I guess she's asked to see you, but I don't know where she is.

She's up in Veracruz.

I don't know where they're, I called your people and said it was all right.

And if I were Marcus, I wouldn't be playing around with her.

Well, she's been on my own for a while.

I can't believe you're not.

Well, she's been around for a while.

I didn't trust her.

She's a little desperate.

.

And he's his, he's her cousin.

Why didn't Charlie and the guy, they drove out of there?

No, I think they didn't.

Nobody knows.

They can't.

He's a businessman.

Because why?

Nobody knows.

They screwed some business deal.

That's why they have to do it.

Yeah, all right.

All right.

You know, but this is Matt, you know, who's the foreign minister of Indonesia.

And he's now president of the General Assembly.

So this is very well-awaited.

Yeah.

It's worth it.

It is.

I think it's important to somehow knock that down because if we lose the conservatives, we'll make an attack on them.

Andre.

And he's his, he's his, he's her cousin.

Why did Charlie and the guy get in trouble out there?

Well, I think they didn't.

No, they don't.

They can't.

He's a businessman.

Because why?

Nobody knows.

They screwed some business deal.

That's why they have to figure it out.

You've got a lot of people waiting on the streets to talk to each other.

They should push you anymore, huh?

Yeah, all right.

Well, we are having trouble.

We are having trouble.

It's illustrated by this.

That's an hour and a half.

Three minutes, huh?

You know, I agree with all of you.

But this is Mal, you know, who's the Foreign Minister of Indonesia.

And he's now President of the General Assembly.

So his comments carry a lot of weight.

Yeah.

He's quite a fellow, too.

He is.

I think it's important to somehow knock that down because if we lose the conservatives, we'll make an attack on them one at a time.

Great.

So I realize, I think this thing .

I think another thing would be .

I think it would also be helpful if you could tell Jim to push personally.

I think one time you saw him suddenly say so, Jim, he's not sure whether you're going to want to do that.

So you could tell him.

So what about having meetings?

I think we could do it, or I think we should do the meeting without banter, because I think it would be helpful just to, I mean, I would go along with listening, but I just think that we should just sit down and go over that thing.

But we should do that.

Could we do that maybe this week?

And I'd like to, I'd get a head yes, because he knows what he needs.

He's talked to you and Bush and myself.

Fair enough.

Sure.

Now, are there any other, any other oral messages you'd suggest at this moment that we haven't sent?

There may be one or two others, but not any.

I don't want to, you shouldn't get too much.

You can't be in a position to make the basic currency too much, too, if everybody gets it.

Well, pretty much, if we lose it, I don't want it to appear that it depends on people.

Well, I'd like to ask you what it is, how big a stake that my cigarette is.

Well, with regard to the White House's position.

Yeah.

What do you want me to say?

What do you want me to answer?

Well, I think if you have a question, just find a question.

Any kind of question, I'll be really for it.

Yeah, if there's someone, if there's someone who wants to talk, just say what they're saying.

I've taken out a lot of the things that might have irritated the communists.

Uh, and I think it's, I think it's a good speech, and it's a tough thing to sort of...

It really is.

...to ask him to, if I like, yell and steal a few words.

They're not very worried about what they say about us and that kind of thing.

Oh, I am.

And Dylan lies about everything about us.

That's right.

And I think we've got to be careful we don't appear to be... We can't appear to be... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's right.

If we can't, uh, they know we're gonna, they know that this is going to happen.

They have all the news about this.

And, uh,

If we're going to get a charge, you're calling a police station.

Yeah, that's true.

I'm sure he's a retired general.

Well, how's the rest of it?

What is that supposed to be?

It's a five-picture.

Just to get out of the action story.

In fact, I might suggest that when you're ready, you just step in the bathroom and look at all the dirty people in here.

Just thank them for their efforts.

All right.

Well, you know, I was just thinking one other thing.

I don't know what else to go around.

I would like this.

ask you to consider the possibility of my, maybe after the NATO meeting, going to Russia and doing what Henry's doing in China the same way, low-key, for the same purpose, particularly to talk about the European security conference, because I think we could play that in a way that would be very helpful to you.

We could play it in a way that would permit a preliminary discussion about the European security conference.

to result in your visit, and we can announce that it will take place sometime in, say, July or August before the election, and we can do it just exactly the way we want to do it, but we can turn it on, turn it off, and we wouldn't have to commit ourselves to it.

There's a movement in this election, of course, you know, in Europe, and there's...

there's a lot of support for the general idea, but everyone is aware of the fact that it probably doesn't have much practical, won't have much practical effect.

But having a, agreeing to a preliminary discussion about it before the election, I think would have some advantages.

First place would show that everybody expected us to win.

And secondly, we could have a preliminary discussion without making any

planning the business, we could just have a discussion with all the countries involved, or we're representative of our, and then be at, what, the secretary level for our ministry.

Yeah, because we could have those, we could play exactly the way we wanted to.

But I'm thinking about if we could have that, and maybe, of course, if we could get a solar agreement, this would kind of get it done.

that the Moscow trip would be quite a song.

Now the reason I suggest that I think there's some advantage in doing some questions about what we've done in Chinese, no more, no less, but saying that we're preparing for the trip and that we take no press to do it the same way.

And furthermore, I think a little visibility like that will help

Me doing the campaign, I think I'd be in.

I'll go back to the system before it's just a little bit of a build-up.

And I can do the things with television and the news groups and so forth that I've been doing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We don't have anything to get to decide now, but what I think about is the Albany and Brussels anyway.

That's in December, which is not a bad time.

and I thought I might, I moved south of Iceland, I think, on the way back anyway, and I could take a group, you know, just as Henry's doing in China, and say that it's just to make the arrangements for you to visit, do nothing else.

I don't want you to decide it, but I thought it would be a good thing, but I appreciate it.

Thanks, Senator.

Well, of course, we wouldn't have to do it at that time.

We could do it, yeah, by the time... Let's see what happens when we come back.

We'll have to think with the trains to see how soon that is.

Are we still talking about those things?

That's all that he's prepared to offer.

But that's what they have been, that's been submitted to them.

So they're prepared to discuss that.

I guess it'll have to be, I guess it'll have to be two weeks apart, three weeks apart.

I think it'll have to be

later a little i think so if i just tell you probably a little bit much smaller but it's a little bit more out of the winter it's in the spring it might be a little better it's going to be it's going to tell us a great deal about what they're reading you know he said the main problem is you call the press well the press requests are two thousand

So let's say we're counting down to 400, and so I said that's traditional, so I said they're going to take 400 press.

So we've got the damn thing down to, what they say is a minimum of 80, which would be about... See, we had... We got a minimum of 350 to 400.

Well, even if he was talking, they had 400 press with us.

But that includes, you know, the camera and all the rest.

But now the Chinese, on a particular part of the year, now that people can still hang.

This is, this is our going into a place where we didn't see the service, right?

So we cut that down.

Now the president, and of course the official party is extremely small.

We're not, we're not taking a lot of secretary response.

I cut the dam pretty hard.

But even at that, they say the largest party they've ever had up to this point is 40.

When I say they say that, this is what the study shows that they've made.

The Chinese, on the other hand, have got to be aware of the fact that we're going to Moscow.

The question is, do they want to appear to be more restrictive in Moscow?

They may.

You're calling Jankins on this, who is still with him on the trip.

Disagrees, hand your leads, they're going to be very restricting on him on 40.

Jankins believes the other one.

So he's got to go the way he says.

I told him, I've got chicken.

I said, well, now the main problem is we want to realize that it's to our interest.

We have just as many as they'll take, and particularly television.

So if I put television first, you know, I'm really screwed.

If I put the order of priority, television comes first, and if necessary, just one team.

The two wire services come next.

Then, and a much lower order of magnitude, we just leave them out.

Otherwise, we put the news magazines, and then specials like the New York Times, Washington Post won't get on at all.

Because you don't need them.

I mean, they all get into the wire services.

They all get into the wire services.

And they also take it from the...

So whoever put the television up, they're high.

Because the television, this is more important than anything else.

That's what people...

It's all the little people who... Now in Russia, it would be a very different thing for Russians to ride their bus to talk with the Chinese at that.

And of course, in our world, in society, we're more used to having Americans...

And a lot of the press will squeal because they're going to go to China.

At least they're going to go run around Russia.

I think on the Russian one, though, the substantive results should be impressive.

The Chinese air fight itself is important.

The Russian trip has to have a solider.

No question about it.

It's got that's the best we have.

And it's got some other things.

Well, we can do some things.

I mean, we can make some sounds about music and stuff.

You know, that's a great idea.

We can make sounds about music and stuff, voice reduction.

Hopefully, we can make sounds about at least music and everything.

Well, that's a good way of working.

But in terms of what people are interested in here...

Don't get a traitor in.

Traitors.

Now, we've got a hell of a lot to give them there.

They want it.

But people here are just, they, you know, they all have visions of these, of these millions of Russians, a billion Chinese, not really looking for our products, but at least you know what's in there.

But that's about it.

Not totally.

But the trade area in some places, we're bound to come out with that.

We'll get some trades, some exchange.

The whole idea of the leader is helpful.

But there's some cosmetics.

But if we can move on to some of the other areas, and salt, and of course, in terms of European security, that's something they want.

The reason I would like to do this, I think my first place, I'd have a good relationship with Mito.

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