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Good eye, all right, good, thank you.

Are teachers still there at the present?

Yeah.

All right.

Trying to find a cure for cancer there?

The first time I did it, it didn't work.

I thought it was up on the bench.

I was trying to, you know, you never know.

But when they put him on the bench, I realized we were getting some territory.

You know, you do that.

Yeah, it's really too big.

I've been walking over and he doesn't like a lot of chairs to dance in.

He is a very nice fellow.

I know Bowie Coon is a high class fellow too.

Baseball drew a million more this year than last year.

A million more?

A million in attendance.

Increased in attendance.

Pretty good.

There's a bad reaction.

Well, let me ask Bill, who's from your department's side.

While his words were so far in the radio, I think they came up with really good, very good schedules.

We didn't want to have it, but Mr. McDowell, fine.

When does he leave?

He'll be still on his side.

6th November, we come back around 21st, 22nd, we cart that back.

What I got from the last concoction, what about our next concoction?

It's a week and 11th, but I, uh, I thought, uh, we were going earlier, but he's first stop might be Nashville, and he's, you know, we're back, uh, so that'll be, uh...

Okay.

Thank you.

Hi, thank you very much for coming.

I appreciate your time this evening.

I want to talk to you about some of the issues that we've been dealing with over the last couple of years.

One of the issues that we've been dealing with over the last couple of years is that we're going to need to buy a little system.

And one of the issues that we've been dealing with over the last couple of years is that we're going to need to buy a little system.

And one of the issues

First, he feels that I'm his closest friend because he was a vice president when I was a vice president.

Oh, my God, yeah, yeah.

He wants everybody to go to job well.

And Billy Bray, of course, is going because he's invited him.

So he spoke to Pat about it.

She's going to go.

And I think it's a hell of an idea to listen to it.

That will have some other applicants come and find that I'm going to need you to check if you wouldn't.

I don't mean to be taking tours, but if there was one other country that was having a ceremony or they were giving them something or they had a flood or...

killed somebody she didn't do it you know i mean i don't i thought or maybe it's just best if you go to the library and come back but uh of course

Well, the other one, of course, is not the reason to go there.

Let me look.

The other one would be Donald.

Of course, Donald's good friend of ours, and he needs help, and he's had trouble.

And he was there in 1957, so he could make a return there.

It's close, close.

You could go there.

Nigeria, of course, would be good from another standpoint.

But I think the way you could do it would be to just justify it on the basis of, let's say, the way out of it.

I think what we ought to do, you work out when it should be announced that he's going.

And we'll announce it great, of course.

And then the other thing is, if you could pick, if there is a, I don't have any.

But if she could, she could do a couple of others, one or two others.

But, you know, in God's mind, she could do both.

You know, I hear you.

But the way it's going on, I was thinking, is it you who would give the word?

to, uh, if they got the word that she was going on the one, maybe to disannounce the one.

That's what I would do, to announce she was going to go there.

And then the word would come to you from them, saying, we are particularly urging you to come, and then you accept the invitation.

How about that?

And I'm sure about that, they might ask.

Well, then we would do that.

And, uh, for example, what I was saying is that we were getting this

a school, or an agricultural station, or something like that, or a peace corps, you know what I mean?

You might have to think about it very, very good.

Good, well that's a one for that.

Now on your trip up, how many, uh,

So you're going to go for how many days?

About 20, 30 days, 19 and a half.

How long time is it?

Well, just a little while.

So you're going to set up in Peru?

Set up in Argentina, Ecuador, Brazil.

Brazil.

And who's doing it?

I don't know.

I don't want to talk to them.

And I guess that's it.

whether or not I wonder if

But we're taking on some people like .

We're going to put some more money into it now, where there's stable governments.

Yes, sir.

That's good.

Are you going to have any small factories other than that?

We have a vision installed.

How well do you think you ought to try something like this?

That is the way it was.

I was looking at those folks.

I don't know.

You know, I came to the thought, you know, Columbia's bus building.

I don't think I've ever been to Columbia, maybe.

Columbia's friendly bus building.

And they are, the reason you might go there is that they are considered to be very democratic.

Yeah, I'm sure of that.

I think you'll have a great day.

What do you plan in the way of how to do it?

There are two meetings that are sponsored.

Well, the idea is that you propose we should come to fruition under that kind of sponsorship.

Oh, yes.

One is on tourism, and that's where that's always there.

Right.

And one is on, by the way, this is on the Clark Highway in the center of the horizon.

That's where you had to get a desk account.

Well, that's where the link goes.

That's where the Congress is in Keto.

In Keto, correct.

Yeah.

So as a matter of fact, that's one of the few things I did as a matter of fact.

I pushed that thing through.

You made a good one, didn't you?

Well, we got it through to, you know, over at your little Texas, what they call it in Texas, or Panama.

And that was a really, and then as soon as I came to the Bureau of Public Works, I asked for 25 years to finish, and I said five years.

And I learned a lot.

And you know, these young kids learn a fat job.

That's a good one.

So I think it's going to be a good show.

And we've got some, we've got the head of the International Highway Association, a few other people, and the delegation of Congress and DOJ.

Well, you're going to take how many people then?

We're going to take the delegations themselves because they didn't travel separately.

So we'll take a few resource people that are in the state with some private, we'll bring them down to one of these private operations too.

who will make investments, who will not try to adopt the majority of the risk.

And so it is important for those who are, who either have some things or are willing to expand it on their own, like Parson, like El-Mahdi, and these other companies.

And we're watching all the landmines

And we're going to have some real technical assistance on this infectious disease thing.

We have three, including the head of the American Health Organization, who is now our Surgeon General.

So we're coming very soon.

We're not telling you about it.

We're just going for these two-step events.

We're not trying to make a good wheelchair.

I was good about it.

But it's a great answer.

Not just for the other cases.

I was surprised they were ever going to meet with us.

Well, and the other thing is the 10%.

Well, you've got some time.

By that time, he may have.

He may have some time.

And I guess an imposter.

He's exactly, totally discouraged.

That's true.

We were going to get a call this morning.

Well, we'll have to talk to him before he goes, because he's going to go to his father's home.

Oh, wait a minute.

When does he go?

Oh, he doesn't go.

He doesn't leave for a while.

But you ought to have him.

Well, I think I have to talk to him.

Yeah, I think about this.

I just want to say this, Mr. President.

After having two miserable damn days, but that kept me on the same street in Chicago that you were in.

And they're up in the garage.

And there's some men, they're being gerrymandered in Chicago.

They're born and died in Chicago alone.

And in California, they're being gerrymandered on their own.

And we had 25 or 26 of their civil community groups in there.

And they are up in the garage.

And there's just no question about it.

Goodbye, Donald.

I wonder, I don't know about this, but I lost my race over there.

Is she on or what?

I don't know.

But the point is that she's got an entirely bad rap there.

That goddamn Otis Chandler has wetbacks for the thousands working for him.

Does he?

How many wetbacks are there?

800,000.

I know that.

I have a relative, a brother, or a wife, and I hire myself.

And that's how you pay it exactly the same.

And there's nothing, you know, you can't check the individual who hired you.

It's not responsible to check on seeing whether or not the guy, are you here legally?

It's not responsible to do whatever.

And actually, they would come and work for an extra month.

And what they're asking is something else.

And we're aptly right to think of them that way.

Because they're Sanchez, who's not necessarily a Western actor, but one.

And even from Murray's perspective, he's kind of weird.

They haven't acted like that yet, and neither have you.

They're just, you know, right to your conscience.

And Greg said it, and they're holding the whole thing up.

They ought to be a master of writing them up.

They ought to be a master of two.

I mean, that's a poor, nice question.

And he speaks with an accent.

So there's something going there.

I mean, it's a chunk of that load.

You've written negatives.

Maybe they are.

Well, they're some goddamn Democrats.

I mean, it's not what we've done.

It's what the others have done.

It's just what we've done quite a bit, and we're going to do more.

And you're good.

You've got a lot of strength there.

Well, that'll be a good trip for you and all that.

That'll have to take a hell of a

You've got to do it now.

You've got to do it well.

It took a long time, too, you know what I mean?

Oh, did he go through, is this what makes him interesting?

Well, tomorrow, I swear to God, he's going to beat me, you know what I mean?

I mean, you know what I mean?

You know what I mean?

After all I've said and done, they are an awfully nice bunch of people down there, and they just, I mean, they believe your class in Latin America.

They are, basically, they'd like to be our friends, and they deserve some attention.

What about the one that, you know, you're not doing any more talking about village, what we're going to do with the Latin Americans, you know, whether we can have some people meet there?

Yeah, I could, I don't think you can, none of the 10% thing is done.

What about the possibility of routine courtesy letters that I can take to the peasant state on this trip?

Oh, sure, yeah, oh, yeah.

Oh, I know we didn't do it on this for another reason, but I just wanted to... Oh, this one's yours?

Oh, yeah.

In fact, this is gone to be yesterday.

I, uh, I just, uh, you just haven't, haven't... We want to build up the trip in terms of that.

We would appreciate it, Curtis, if you were there to talk, you know, personal representation, et cetera, et cetera.

And, uh, Jerry, we're prepared to discuss various matters, so we'll do that.

And you'll report directly when you return.

That's what I had to do, you know, I...

I think it was Mrs. Marcus in the back here, 4th and 7th.

Mrs. Marcus, she's a tough, I, I, I've never been, she just likes you.

I don't know, I don't know if she's too good a small part of you, but I'm pushing the rest of you because you've been, well, he's called me and asked me.

Yeah.

I guess he's, she's asked to see you, but I don't know.

Yeah.

She's up there in Barracuda, you know, and I don't know whether, I, I called your people and said it was all right.

And, uh,

I'm a fighter, Marcus.

I'm going to be a fighter now, in fact.

Well, you know, I always said, you'll fight if you can't lose your job.

Well, she's been around for a long time.

I didn't trust her.

She's a real sister.

Well, she's a kid.

Well, she's right.

I asked her what she meant this weekend.

I checked with both of them, and then the shot was in the head.

Oh, sorry.

He's asked Stigley to pass her in on her daughter's credentials.

And he's her cousin.

Why did Harold and the guy get in trouble?

I don't know.

Nobody knows.

They can't get a piece of business in there.

Because why?

Nobody knows.

They screwed up some business deal.

That's why they have to do it.

Uh, you do have a lot of people waiting on the streets to talk to each other.

Yeah, all right.

Well, we are heavy.

We are heavy.

You know, I agree with all of you, but this is Mal, you know, who's the Foreign Minister of Indonesia.

And he's now President of the General Assembly, so his comments carry a lot of weight.

Yeah.

He's quite a fellow, too.

I think it's important to somehow knock that down because if we lose, the conservatives will make an attack on us.

That's right.

And he's his, he's her cousin.

Why didn't you tell them that I didn't throw money there?

No, I committed him.

No, they don't.

They can't.

He's a businessman.

Because why?

Nobody knows.

I'm screwed with some business team.

That's why they have to hear it.

Well, uh, we do have a lot of people waiting on us, so we can talk to each other.

Yeah, all right.

Well, we are heavy.

You know, we are heavy.

So it's good, but it's, uh, it's hard for me to agree with you on that.

You know, I agree with all of you, but this is Mal, you know, who's the Foreign Minister of Indonesia, and he's now President of the General Assembly, so his comments carry a lot of weight.

Yeah.

He's quite a fellow, too.

I think it's important to somehow knock that down because if we lose, the conservatives will make an attack on us.

Great.

So I realize, I think this thing .

I think another thing would be .

I think it would also be helpful if you could tell James Bush personally, I think one time you saw him or something, he said he's a little jumpy, he's not sure whether you're gonna talk to him or not, so you could tell him.

So what about having meetings or something like this?

I think we could do it, or I think we should do the meeting without band fairs, because I think it would be a couple different.

I mean, I would go for one.

Let's see if I can see.

We should just sit down and go over it.

I think we should do that.

Could we do that maybe this week?

I don't see it.

And I get hate answers because he knows what he needs.

He's talked to you and Bush and myself very much.

Sure.

Now, are there any other, any other oral messages you'd suggest at this moment that we haven't sent?

Maybe one or two others, but not any.

I don't want to, you shouldn't get too much.

Well, you can't be in a position to make the basic currency too much, too, if everybody gets it.

Well, pretty much every little bit I want to do here doesn't mean that it's too much.

Well, I mean, what it is, I would say that my signature is, well, in regard to the White House's decision.

Yeah.

What do you want me to say?

Well, I think if you had a question, just find a question.

Any kind of question, I would be really for it.

Yeah, if there's someone, if there's someone who wants to talk to you, say it, say it.

I think that's very helpful.

George is making a speech today, and he told me how he got relaxed when I went over, and I've taken out a lot of the things that, like, have irritated the communists, and I think it's a good speech.

It's a tough thing to ask him to, if I like, yell and steal a few words.

They're not very worried about what they say about us and that kind of thing.

Oh, I am.

And Dylan lies about everything about us.

That's right.

And I think we've got to be careful.

We don't appear to be... We can't appear to be... That's right.

We can't.

They know we're going to...

They know that this is going to happen.

They have a little news about this.

And...

If we're going to get a charge, you call the police, please.

Yeah, that's true.

I'm sure he's a retired general.

What is that supposed to be?

Is it just a five-picture?

Is it just a job?

Just an only-action story.

In fact, I might suggest that when you're ready, you just step in the back room and look at all three of these people and just thank them for their efforts.

All right.

Well, you know, I was just thinking one other thing.

I don't know if you have to go around.

I would like this.

as to consider the possibility of my, maybe after the NATO meeting, going to Russia and doing what Henry's doing in China, the same way, low-key, for the same purpose, particularly to talk about the European security conference, because I think we could play that in a way that would be very helpful to you.

We could play it in a way that would permit a preliminary discussion about the European security conference.

to result from your visit, and we can announce that it will take place sometime in, say, July or August before the election, and we can do it just exactly the way we want to do it, but we can turn it on, turn it off, and we wouldn't have to commit ourselves to it.

There's a movement in this election, of course, you know, in Europe, and there's a lot of support for the general idea, but everyone is aware of the fact that it probably doesn't have much practical

But having a, agreeing to a preliminary discussion about it before the election, I think would have some advantages.

First place would show that everybody expected us to win.

And secondly, we could have this preliminary discussion without making any binding commitments.

We could just have a preliminary discussion.

We're all, we're all more representative than far out.

on the Secretary level for a little bit.

We could play exactly the way we wanted to.

What I'm thinking about, if we could have that, and maybe, of course, if we could get a solar agreement, it's worked out by the time I get it done, that Moscow trip would be good.

The reason I suggest that I think there's some advantage in doing the Russian style over the Chinese, no more, no less, of saying that we're preparing to trip and that we take no press, just do it the same way.

And furthermore, I think a little visibility like that will help to

Me doing the campaign, I think I can get in and I'll pull what I can do.

It's just a little bit of a fiddle up.

And I can do the things with television and the news groups and so forth that I've been doing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We don't have anything to get to decide now, but what I think about is, they'll be in Brussels anyway.

That's in December.

Which is not a bad time.

And I thought I might, I would have started in Iceland, I think, on the way back anyway.

And I could have taken you, you know, just as Henry was doing in China, and said, it's just to make the arrangements for you to visit.

Do nothing else.

I don't want you to decide it.

I thought it was interesting, but I appreciate it.

Well, of course, we wouldn't have to do it at that time.

We could do it, yeah, by the time... Let's see how soon that is.

Oh, he's still talking about those things that are going to get him to take over as a plumber?

Yeah.

That's all that he's prepared to offer.

That's what they had meant.

That's been cemented now.

So they're prepared to discuss that.

I don't know if they're going to make changes on that.

My guess is that they'll take the... My guess is they'll spend eight hours on it.

So two weeks apart, three weeks apart.

I think they'll take the...

later, a little.

I think it's probably a little bit smaller, but it's a little bit more out of the winter.

It might be a little better.

It's going to tell us a great deal about what they're agreeing on.

The main problem is you've got all the press requests for $2,000.

And so they were counting down to 400.

And so I said, that's traditional.

So we got the damn thing down to, what did they say, a minimum of 80, which would be about, see we had, we got a minimum of 350 to 400.

Well, even if he was talking, they had 400 pressers.

That includes, you know, the camera and all the rest.

But now the Chinese, on the digital part, you have to have people instead of having

So we cut that down.

Now the president, and of course the official party is extremely small.

We're not taking a lot of

But even at that, they say the largest party they've ever had up to this point is 40.

When I say they say that, this is what the study shows that they've made.

The Chinese on the other hand have got to be aware of the fact that we're going to Moscow.

The question is, do they want to appear to be more restrictive in Moscow?

They may.

You're calling Jankins on this.

Who is still with him on the trip?

Disagrees to hand your leads, they're going to be very restricting on the 40.

Jankins believes the other one.

So he's not going to go the way he says.

I told him, I've got chicken.

I said, well, now the main problem is we want to realize that it's to our interest.

have just as many as they'll take, and particularly television.

So if I put television first, you know, I'm really screwed.

If I put the order of priority, television comes first.

And if necessary, it is one team.

The two wire services come next.

Then, and a much lower order of magnitude, which is leaving them out.

Otherwise, we put the news magazines.

And then specials like the New York Times, Washington Post won't be on at all.

Because you don't need them.

I mean, you all get into the wire services.

They all get into the wire services.

And they also take it from the, uh...

So I thought I would put the television out there high, because the television and this is more important than anything else.

That's what people...

It's all the little people who can look at it.

Now, in Russia, it would be a very different thing.

The Russians will ride their bus to talk with the Chinese about it.

And, of course, in our world, in society, we're more used to having Americans.

And, uh...

A lot of the press will squeal because they're going to go to China.

At least they're going to go around Russia.

I think on the Russian one, though, we ought to try substantive results.

It should be impressive.

The Chinese air fight itself is important.

The Russian trip has to have a soldier.

No question about it.

It's got that's enough.

And it's got some other things.

Well, we can do some things.

I mean, we can make some sounds about who's been accomplished in the United States.

We can make sounds about who's been accomplished in the United States.

Don't get a traitor.

Traitors.

Now, we've got a hell of a lot to give them there.

They want us.

But people here are just, they delay all that business of these, of these millions of Russians.

A billion Chinese not really looking for our products.

Well, they shouldn't want some of that.

But, not totally.

But, okay, the trade area is someplace we're bound to come out with that.

That's when we'll get some trade and some exchange.

The whole idea of the Libra is helpful, you know.

But there's some cosmetics.

But if we can move on to some of the other areas, and salt, and of course, in terms of European security, that's something they want.