Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 797 › Conversation 797-015

Nixon, Bull & Sanchez on baseball and Ralph Branca

Friday, October 13, 1972 · 12:40 PM–12:45 PM ET · Oval Office · 43 sec

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.; Sanchez, ManoloConversation797-015 on Tape 797StartFriday, October 13, 1972 at 12:40 PMEndFriday, October 13, 1972 at 12:45 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 797-015 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull engaged in a casual discussion regarding baseball history, specifically reflecting on the physical stature and aging of players like Ralph Branca and Bobby Thompson. The conversation transitioned into a brief review of the President's upcoming schedule. Manolo Sanchez joined the meeting briefly toward its conclusion, though the discussion remained informal throughout.

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I expected them to be a lot older, and that is who called him Frank.
Frank, yeah.
Frank was very old.
And I had the same observation.
He was a lot smaller.
Good.
I spent more time in the field than I did in school.
Yeah.
That's why I told him, yeah.
Oh, gee, I did.
That was the greatest driver of all.

NARA Description

On October 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:40 pm and 12:45 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 797-015 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 797-15

Date: October 13, 1972
Time: Unknown between 12:40 pm and 12:45 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

        Ralph Branca and Bobby Thompson
            -Age and size
            -Bull’s experience
                -Ebbetts Field
            -New York Giants-Brooklyn Dodgers rivalry

        The President's schedule

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:45 pm.

Manolo Sanchez entered and left at an unknown time before 12:45 pm.

Also recorded on October 13, 1972

  • 797-010 11:43 AM · 58 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:43 am to 11:45 am.
  • 797-011 11:45 AM · 13 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, Charles W. Colson, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:45 am to 12:02 pm.
  • 797-012 12:02 PM · 18 min — President Richard M. Nixon, staff, and members of the executive board of the Utility Workers of America, including Donald F. Rodgers, Willie J. Usery, Jr., Harold T. Rigley, James Joy, Jr., Patrick Gallagher, C. J. Luciano, and Valentine Murphy, members of the press, and the White House photographer, met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:02 pm to 12:20 pm.
  • 797-013 12:22 PM · 46 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at 12:22 pm.
  • 797-014 12:22 PM · 17 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Claire (Hodgson) Ruth, Bobby Thompson, Ralph Branca, Henry C. Cashen, II, White House photographer, Harry O'Donnell, Mrs. Patrick E. O'Donnell, and Tony Butrico met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:22 pm to 12:40 pm.
  • 365-006 12:40 PM · 13 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:40 pm and 12:45 pm.
  • 365-007 12:45 PM · 15 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:45 pm and 3:00 pm.
  • 797-016 12:45 PM · 25 sec — United States Secret Service agents and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:45 pm and 3:00 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 797-015, October 13, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/797-015 (accessed October 10, 2026).