Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 44 › Conversation 044-160

Nixon phone call with Bull on Foreign Aid and Otto Passman

Friday, April 13, 1973 · 9:04 PM–9:10 PM ET · White House Telephone · 1 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.Conversation044-160 on Tape 44StartFriday, April 13, 1973 at 9:04 PMEndFriday, April 13, 1973 at 9:10 PMRecording deviceWhite House TelephoneSourceNixon Library record for 044-160 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon consulted with Stephen B. Bull and William E. Timmons to discuss concerns raised by Representative Otto Passman regarding foreign aid policy. Passman, who advocates for loans over grants, was scheduled to travel abroad, prompting the President to manage the legislator's expectations. Nixon directed that Henry Kissinger contact Passman before his departure to assure him that the administration would defer final decisions on foreign aid until after his return.

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Good morning after the dentist.
Any time.
Hello.
Mr. President.
Oh, Bill, I forgot to mention.
Otto Passman said he felt he had to see me pretty soon.
And I don't know what...
I suppose it's on how the foreign aid's going to be handled.
He favors loans rather than grants out there.
I'm trying to get Henry Kissinger together with him.
Otto leaves town today for a month.
They're traveling somewhere overseas.
And I think we'd get Henry to talk to him, at least on the phone, it might.
Well, if Henry could, you might tell Henry to call him and tell him that we want to see him when he comes back and we won't make a decision until he comes back or something like that.
Okay.
Have you got a hold of Henry yet?
No, not this morning.
You want me to tell him to do that?
Well, I can tell him that we should.
You just tell Henry that Passman hit me last night and since Passman's leaving, he should call and let the president ask him to.
check with this and that we'll give it some thought and not make a decision until he returns and then we'll be able to vet it out.
Okay?
Good.
Sure will.
All right.
Thank you.

NARA Description

On April 13, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 9:04 pm and 9:10 pm. The White House Telephone taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 044-160 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 044-160

Date: April 13, 1973
Time: Unknown between 9:04 am and 9:10 am
Location: White House Telephone

The President conferred with Stephen B. Bull.

[See also Conversation No. 825-6]

       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542

       President’s schedule
             -Dentist

The President talked with William E. Timmons between 9:09 am and 9:10 am.

       Otto E. Passman
             -President's schedule
             -Views on foreign aid
                   -Loan arguments
             -Schedule
             -Henry A. Kissinger call
             -Administration's decision on foreign aid

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 044-160, April 14, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/044-160 (accessed October 5, 2026).