Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 410 › Conversation 410-005

Nixon & Ziegler on Public relations and Media management

Tuesday, March 13, 1973 · 1:49 PM–1:50 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 2 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.Conversation410-005 on Tape 410StartTuesday, March 13, 1973 at 1:49 PMEndTuesday, March 13, 1973 at 1:50 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 410-005 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald L. Ziegler held a brief, cryptic discussion regarding the management of public perception and the status of certain unspecified information. The exchange centered on controlling narratives and building momentum for the administration's messaging. While the transcript is fragmented, the President emphasized the necessity of maintaining internal secrecy while coordinating the timing of their public disclosures.

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Thank you.
Oh, I see.
Well, they don't have, they're not struggling.
I didn't say he had it.
I said what I discussed with him.
But I think it builds it up a little.
When he wants to.
As a matter of fact, it does.
Or not.
I'm over about 2.45 now.
You will, uh, yeah.
And I'll let you take a look at that, John.
John, I'm not supposed to go away.
This is the one that I'm absolutely sure of.
All right.
Yeah.
All right.

NARA Description

On March 13, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 1:49 pm to 1:50 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 410-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 410-5

Date: March 13, 1973
Time: 1:49 pm and 1:50 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President talked with Ronald L. Ziegler.

[See Conversation No. 43-68]

Also recorded on March 13, 1973

  • 410-001 1:42 PM · 19 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:42 pm and 1:49 pm.
  • 410-002 1:42 PM · 24 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:42 pm and 1:49 pm.
  • 410-003 1:42 PM · 14 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:42 pm and 1:49 pm.
  • 410-004 1:42 PM · 10 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:42 pm and 1:49 pm.
  • 410-052 1:42 PM · 14 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:42 pm and 1:49 pm.
  • 410-006 1:50 PM · 10 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:50 pm and 2:45 pm.
  • 410-007 1:50 PM · 14 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:50 pm and 2:45 pm.
  • 410-008 2:45 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 2:45 pm and 3:00 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 410-005, March 13, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/410-005 (accessed October 1, 2026).