Nixon, Haldeman & Ford on Agriculture and Supersonic Transport

13:12I'm trying to figure out whether they expect a major statement tomorrow or just a brief remark.
13:19No, of course.
13:21Just so that I don't know.
13:24They just want to welcome him and get out of here.
13:28You know, I made a speech last week.
13:31As he's trying to say, he's trying to put together remarks that should not be a speech.
13:37Do you know?
13:46Call me when your turn is.
13:48Okay, I just want to know what they .
13:52The leader of the fact that the administration is including agriculture, what would we consider agriculture to be?
14:02We're glad you're here.
14:03Now the briefing during the day, the discussion that they're going to have when you open, when Secretary Hart opens it, very briefly,
14:15Uh, it will include a law and order briefing by the Attorney General.
14:19Uh, what would make very good would be that an indication of what they're going to, other things they're going to have, and I can discuss that as a morning call.
14:28So, and Omni has a rural revenue sharing thing after lunch.
14:31They have lunch at the State Department.
14:34How many of them are coming to dinner?
14:36And then at 3 o'clock they come to the South Lawn.
14:39I don't make a speech then.
14:40You have nothing to do with the South Lawn.
14:44You do that this morning.
14:46That's all you do with the South Lawn, Jeff.
14:50What about the dinner?
14:51How many of them come to the White House for dinner?
14:57Yeah.
14:57I'm not completely clear.
14:59We've got to get all that together.
15:02That's good.
15:03I've got a thing in mind.
15:05I just speak once.
15:10And I say, I told you at the dinner, I'm not going to get closer to the dinner.
15:13I'm just going to welcome you.
15:16You see the point?
15:17I can't do it twice.
15:18I can't, is that right?
15:19I can't remark to them twice, and then they go through the same stuff.
15:22So we know closer to the dinner.
15:26Just get up and say, well, go ahead now.
15:28We're going to have entertainment at the dinner, aren't we?
15:30Yes.
15:30Well, yeah, well, yeah.
15:33Uh, what you might want to do at the dinner is the thing you do all the time to get off the hook on those is toast to Barnard's Lines, which...
15:42They're white.
15:43That's good.
15:44I just want to pick my mind.
15:48She don't give a flip.
15:49Is that a card?
15:51I don't know what it is.
16:48I wonder, is there some problem with that?
16:54No, I don't think so.
16:56He said urgency on some other specific other commitments to do money.
17:07I believe so.
17:21It might be worth seeing him.
17:23Maybe he's leaving Monday this evening.
17:26Come in Saturday morning.
17:28Or, uh...
18:15And I was wondering,
18:44Of course, they're going to testify as smart as we've already shown them today.
18:47But in the future, when we've got fellows like, you know, Peterson and Charleston, you know, non-political people working on this, and all we're trying to spy on is Flanagan or somebody, or somebody with political... Flanagan saw this and didn't catch the idea, of course.
19:01I mean, I saw it, and I just want to go down there and find out what's going on over here.
19:08talking to them.
19:09That'd be a good one, wouldn't you?
19:10You know what you need to talk about?
19:13It's life or death for those bastards.
19:16It's the same with the oil thing, you know.
19:18The oil people say, you know, it's life or death.
19:20But in the military, it's always done that way.
19:25It's always done that way.
19:27Now that's, of course, what Colson's been trying to do with those associations.
19:33He's been a lawyer, maybe not, maybe he's the guy that, yeah, but maybe he's the guy that ought to be looking for it, because the other guys worry about the substance.
19:41I'd say they do.
19:43Rather than the benefit to us and the foreign policy in the room.
19:48I talked to Henry McCormack last night, and I have a lot of reasons.
19:55He brought up the fact that he had called in all the prisoners of war while he was there, and he'd been with me for a few years.
20:01I didn't do that.
20:03Yes, I checked it.
20:05And the reason is that because they have met with him before, it will look to them as if we're pushing them away, if they don't meet with him.
20:13That is what they do want you to do.
20:15And they will buy, I want to be sure, first that a briefing should be given of Henry as to how to handle it.
20:21Yeah.
20:21By you, do you know what that means?
20:23Just tell him that.
20:25He takes advice well.
20:27I didn't know which, I didn't actually try myself because I didn't know whether he was making up his own or whether this was something else.
20:34Thank you.
20:36Thank you.
20:36Thank you.
20:38Thank you very much.
20:40Thank you very much.
20:50Well, he isn't ineffective.
20:51It's just that you can't rely on him alone to be effective.
20:54But on the other hand, you can't let them not see him.
20:58He doesn't exist.
20:58He doesn't stand in the way of them.
21:00Although there's a tendency to say that he's really going to arrive now.
21:03I don't think he might fly.
21:05I don't think he's going to arrive this time.
21:11I think he's just fine.
21:14Except I have confused him.
21:16I realized I just thought he was going to level with him.
21:27He must not have any pressure.
21:29He did something that was too rough last time.
21:32He had to say it.
21:34Some of these are terribly sensitive.
21:36The best way to get it across is to say this and that.
21:40The fact that the press conference reassured him a great deal.
21:44He certainly takes that tone and that temper and so on and so on.
21:56Maybe Colson is the one who looked at those things.
21:59I think he is.
22:00That's what he originally came in here for, was to get the political mileage and the stroke out of the thing about the money, such of the things that we did.
22:08Money fighters stole terribly.
22:12You know, you've got to be so goddamn careful that I'm not bloodthirsty and look what I'm trying to do.
22:17Commonly, of course, is that Ruthless is home.
22:19I can tell you about anything.
22:20Well, we need to do that now.
22:22It's pretty good on the money side of that stuff.
22:24You know, it's got to deal with those things.
22:27And Henry, you can move the leak into the money.
22:29I don't want Colson to harass anybody for money.
22:31But Colson has to be alert to what's going on and then, you know,
22:38I had a thought.
23:07This vote next week that they may have in the war resolution, it now becomes imperative that not only do I have to vote again, but imperative that each individual member, they don't just read this paper, they just got to get it brought to them, hands held, you know, not specially delivered, not delivered to their homes, you know, all that sort of thing.
23:52You know, on this SST thing, we're getting very close to hell here, for reasons that you know, but I want you to know that today I'm going to have Conley announce the... Now, I told him about it last night.
24:11I said that we had this, and he was delighted, and he said, well, another way to play this game, of course, he's got us out.
24:16He said, in the Senate, he said, Maggie and Sue Jackson
24:23and a ton of cold turkey over here.
24:25We're not going to go to Rocky unless you reload for SSG.
24:28See my point?
24:30Now, yeah, and that's where it's going to play out.
24:33Now, second point is that, I know Eugene's going to leave town on me, but I'm going to try to get him in.
24:40I couldn't make breakfast today.
24:42My funeral ended up Saturday for him.
24:44I couldn't make it.
24:45I'm going to try to get credit, and I'm going to lay the books right to him.
24:48On both, I'm going to put both issues, but I'm going to tell him that we may have an SST vote.
24:52I can't be trusted, but is that all right with you?
24:57Fine.
24:57And on this whole thing, mind you, that you just get your nose down on anything that you can, if there's anything that we can do that only solves, I mean, there are various things.
25:11For example, take a follow-up to Smitty.
25:14Now, he ought to change his mind on this.
25:16Lockheed is involved in this thing.
25:18He just put it on the basis of his jobs and he says, I can't do it.
25:23We can't get Lockheed in this.
25:24They can compromise it.
25:26I don't know if anybody will remember it.
25:31Johnson can't be beaten.
25:33If you could beat him, I've got to kill his grandmother, she's living, or his mother, she's living, or his wife, she's living.
25:38But they do.
25:40I know that district.
25:41That's a district.
25:41He was in the state legislature, Terry.
25:44He had that district carved out for him so that nobody could beat him.
25:48Frankly, it couldn't run anybody against Johnson.
25:51This does not have nothing to do with that.
25:53I'm waiting for your leaders not to go on.
25:55It was just ridiculous.
25:56So I think this is one time where I'm going to agree with Cole to talk to you about this.
26:02Now, one is about 20 meters in length.
26:11Yeah.
26:21Yeah.
26:29And then this now is an appropriation bill, which then goes to the Senate, so it will not go into the Congress.
26:42It's not a matter of what they've got to go over, but it's something that the Senate cannot go over.
26:50They have to work.
26:51So if they go to the Appropriations Committee of the Senate, they got to go around.
26:56Then they'll go to the Senate floor, and then if the Senate votes the other way, then it goes to the Commons, and then the Appropriations Committee.
27:03So by God, we don't have to bring the Commons out of that, except we have to do it out there.
27:11Well, let me say, I think she went in the house.
27:13There's a reason.
27:14I really feel I didn't want her to get out of the house and take off and so forth.
27:20By now, on the other thing in this bill, why don't you let the vote take place on the end of the war resolution?
27:25That's him.
27:26She went and she won.
27:33Yeah?
27:36Well, if they're, if the boys, if they find this, uh, this, uh, this bold material that's coming out, something good or something, I've told them now to get a hand over to you, to us, and then you follow us.
27:50You know, the way you take a poll, these guys don't read.
27:52You've got to just go show them, you know what I mean?
27:55Because these guys are on the wrong side of this issue now.
27:58You see, the wrong side in this sense.
28:00They all think everybody wants to end the war.
28:02We all know that.
28:03What they don't realize is that as far as the people are concerned, if you put the issues straight out, don't know if you want to end the war or turn it back your way to Congress, the people are against that.
28:12See, that's the thing that we've got to get across to them.
28:16So that actor must be trained against now.
28:18That's right.
28:31The whole group organized on it.
28:37Now that's state defense.
28:41If we get off their ass this time, get over there and work, okay?
28:47I'm on the whole thing.
28:54I want to be wise.
28:56It's worthwhile if you were to run.
29:06Say, were you aware of the demonstrations in Washington, you know, that, you know, ain't stopping the government from letting somebody down?
29:13Say, if you're aware, do you approve or disapprove that, uh, then, uh, demonstrations?
29:25Then, then I get to more specific, uh, do the remark.
29:28We don't have too many, of course, just, I made it almost just so well on this point.
29:47get it signed, do you approve or disapprove?
29:50Not in the way we handle it, but why don't the government arrest them, you know, and prove the arrest by the Washington Police Department, you know, demonstrators who refuse to clear the streets and many of them, they have to implode it a little.
30:05Do you approve or disapprove the sanction?
30:10Or keep it?
30:11There's ways that can be put.
30:14In other words, if I can get the
30:21of the way we handle demonstrations in terms of arrests.
30:24I wish that, even though we had the questions previously, but in the two war questions, do you approve of President Nixon's plan to end the war, so-and-so, so-and-so?
30:39And do you debate, even though that would mean
30:45I think it might be worth doing this again because I think you have a very current, newsy type of thing to make it hot.
31:00That's probably a good idea.
31:02Unless the other one's already going to be printed.
31:04It is, but that doesn't matter.
31:07We should hold up on the other thing this morning for Sunday.
31:12Uh, it hasn't gone out.
31:12It won't go out until tomorrow.
31:14It won't go out until then.
31:16We can hold it.
31:18I'm not sure.
31:20Why not hold it?
31:21I don't know.
31:22Yeah, because you were going to say this one was the, huh?
31:24If we do this, this will get the, the word, the demonstration reaction should be worse now.
31:29So we've got to hold up on demonstration reaction and do this now.
31:33And I would think it would be.
31:35I think this would be around that war question anyway.
31:38Yeah.
31:38And the war questions ought to go more on our paper.
31:43I wouldn't run.
31:46Release this on Monday, release this on Monday.
31:49That's all we need is a search engine.
31:51We might be able to.
31:52We didn't even get it for Tuesday's release, which is bad.
31:58I mean, yeah, as long as they get it out, because then we can use the release even though that's a run.
32:02You run it, and it's hungry.
32:03Here's a release for hungry people.
32:05That poll is coming up tomorrow.
32:07The lead deal with the congressman is also going to have an effect.
32:10You just get it out to them and say you can't tell anybody because it's not good for a money release.
32:15Then they'll get it out.
32:16Either way, you get this one.
32:17It's not as good as you want it.
32:19Yeah, I think it's worth doing this just to take aside how much this, my own, talking last night to Kissinger, he's, you know, running around, he's been in search and all that shit, but he says, he says, I don't know what the situation is like, I don't know, he says,
32:40People are just totally outraged by what's going on there, and they're totally, they're just like, if you had a coal president, you'd support him, I mean, much higher, because of the furnace.
32:50They like the furnace.
32:51That was his reaction.
32:52The whole thing is calls around, and apparently he told you the same thing.
32:59I don't know to what extent, but at least he's running into the idea that people are pissed off at the demonstrators.
33:06The idea that we're, you know, using your civil rights and so forth just is a question.
33:11How, uh, are any views from the other side?
33:13Do you hear any?
33:15Just, just from the, I think, the very few, very vocal sources that you could predict.
33:21I mean, the ACLU, that's their shopping trade.
33:23It's not their development.
33:24It's what they're there for.
33:28And he did have a damn deal, and there were a lot of them praising him.
33:32So Colson said that Teddy's thing didn't go as far.
33:38He said that there was a staff member who was playing, that Teddy hasn't solved enough.
33:42He says, Teddy's playing a very strange game, and he's out, he's disappeared someplace.
33:48He was here, but he said he wasn't, and now he's gone.
33:53He was out in Ohio.
33:54He had a speaking engagement in Cincinnati and there was an inadvertent leak in calling his office where the girl said, oh, he may speak on that point.
34:03He can't speak tonight.
34:05And then a staff man on his office said, no, the senator is not speaking in Kent State.
34:11100%.
34:11Well, he had booked himself into Cincinnati, obviously, so that he could do Kent State if he wanted to.
34:16And then was watching to see whether he wanted to do it, and for some reason decided he didn't want to and didn't do it.
34:22Some of this is just clever as hell.
34:24I mean, he played that second line.
34:26His office thought he was going to do Kent State.
34:29It's always good to play a certain way.
34:33He's on one side of the day, one side of the other, so then he's playing all sides.
34:37He's talking to our assistant solver.
34:38I said, stop.
34:39Stop the argument.
34:40Pull him out.
34:41I said, work out that.
34:42I think we ought to do a little more.
34:45But he didn't, uh, he didn't go in.
34:47He can't stay.
34:48He may just have, he may just have pulled it after I had to.
34:51He's running it.
34:53You know what I mean?
34:54Enemies don't act without checking the wind.
34:58Could be that that's part of it.
35:03Great.
35:04I had not thought you would make it over.
35:07When Henry gets back, why don't you get him to see Howard Stein?
35:13I don't want to change anything.
35:16Jack Dreyfuss or another.
35:20I'm so obsessed with the peace issue.
35:22I mean, it's so Chinese.
35:24Don't do it.
35:26So it's gone a little bit further.
35:27But I mean, what I'm getting at is that
35:31call center or anything.
35:32Of course, Jack Dreyfuss would be delighted to come in anyway.
35:36My view is that, looking at this two ways, one, the purpose is to, is to Scott's, is to try to cool Stein off.
35:46He's supported our opponents.
35:49The other purpose is to set Dreyfuss up for maybe supporting
35:59The driver's own personal feelings.
36:02Pretty good.
36:03And he said, why don't you put Finch when he gets back on that art of assignment thing?
36:10Art of assignment means attention.
36:12A lot of the things that kind of go right around getting too many bucks and all that sort of thing.
36:17And then you hang over his head with possibilities.
36:19I'm just going to have him here.
36:21I said, yes, ma'am.
36:23Yes.
36:24But there again, it wouldn't be a bad idea to get that
36:27Get Norton in to see Henry.
36:28All right, bring him in.
36:30See Henry.
36:32Henry.
36:32He says, all right, look what we're doing here.
36:36We can't tell you.
36:37You're going to look awful bad.
36:38Norton's a tough one.
36:39Believe me, he does look like Henry.
36:41Just like Simon said, this is what we did.
36:43Really?
36:45Yeah.
36:45All right.
36:46Now, you arrange that.
36:46And of course, it's in Henry's schedule.
36:48He's so much more important to others.
36:50Yeah.
36:51A lot of people, he does see it.
36:53Yeah.
36:54These things, these three, could be enormously important to us.
37:00You see, I have a feeling, it's not just, they'll not make a reaction.
37:09I mean, people like Manolo and others, and other people say,
37:16Who's paying for these kids to spend all this time on them?
37:18Somebody is costing a hell of a lot of money.
37:21You know that, right?
37:22These demonstrations cost money.
37:24They had Modern America.
37:26They held some of our richest people.
37:28They had to have about $5,900 a box apiece.
37:31You know, it cost a million dollars.
37:32It was a lot of money, and this thing took a lot of money, too.
37:35In some ways, this was better organized than Modern America, as far as money spending was concerned.
37:41So my view is, there's a lot of, we might be able to begin to pull some of the, and as Jewish, not for the most part, except for that crazy mob.
37:52It's worth taking another poll on this one, you then shouldn't count like this.
38:07makes it newsworthy and timely at the moment, rather than just, well, what do you think of this, and what do you think of it?
38:13It's a new subject.
38:15Then you throw the other into it, too, see?
38:18That gives you four questions.
38:19Getting down to four questions, I believe, or five.
38:25If you go, or see, we can ask all the questions we want in different ways, and then only release those we want to release, et cetera.
38:31No, we don't want to ask too many.
38:33No, that's right.
38:34You can only ask a limited number of them.
38:39Can you do this on a one-night deal with $507,000?
38:44Yeah, I'm not sure they can do $1,000 in one night.
38:48On this kind of, I don't know.
38:50Why?
38:51I mean...
38:54Yeah, well, they can take it and see.
38:56Thursday night and Friday night, we have a Saturday.
38:58We can give it a try.
38:58I don't understand.
38:59It's Monday morning.
39:00I'm sure.
39:02Right on the papers.
39:03Really not.
39:04It doesn't get, well, it depends on the balance.
39:11Once in a while it gets a bunch of papers and sometimes it doesn't.
39:15I don't think you can overlook it anyway.
39:21The other one made the magazines and TV and everything else.
39:23So you never know.
39:26These people up here started getting shot in the house.
39:28We did a good thing on this thing.
39:31I see last night at College Park they had a demonstration.
39:34Three college students came out to block the road.
39:37And Mandel called up the National Guard and moved National Guard right onto the campus.
39:42Bang, just like that.
39:43Now there is an example of what you were talking about.
39:46We've set the example here on how to deal with this stuff.
39:52No destruction of classes.
39:55They put a, Mandel put a curfew on from 9 p.m. last night to 6 a.m. this morning until all the kids get back in their closets here to get hauled.
40:04Put the national, 500 National Guard troops on the campus.
40:06And this is a little Jewish Democratic government who's moving in and doing this.
40:12I'm doing it with, he was on the radio explaining it to me.
40:15He had no waverings about what he was doing at all.
40:26And maybe we should do a little search into some other people's bonds on some of this, too.
40:32And that, if you get some credit for that, could do some good.
40:37I don't think we're really going to get some stuff with them.
40:42And as John wrote, it's been a very good handout that gets some people to think, well, we don't need to stop them.
40:48We just don't have this.
40:49Yeah.
40:50And beyond a certain point, people get their confusions, their credulousness against the war.
41:04answer is that no citizen has a constitutional right of freedom from arrest.
41:12Constitutional rights don't extend to arrest.
41:15The constitutional right extends to punishment.
41:22There's harassment all the time with people who are later found not guilty.
41:26That's what the whole legal system's about.
41:28The one that's a reasonable, if a constitutional right is not to be held as unreasonable at the time or not to be tried.
41:36He didn't get a fair trial.
41:37He didn't get a fair trial.
41:39And these people have not been held.
41:42A lot of them have been let out without convictions.
41:45But they've got a very good case on this whole thing now about Chief Wilson had to move in on this basis.
41:53Do they have any kind of statistics with regard to damage done or anything?
42:01Or are they good enough to use?
42:04They have some.
42:04They didn't do a hell of a lot of damage.
42:06That was when you used the horrible examples.
42:09That's the specifics.
42:10There's also been a good thing building up, which helps in this regard, which is
42:15a, uh, a taxpayer's role in the district, because they had to pay for all this, and they're talking about the cost of it, and the cost was high.
42:24And, and police, and, and, you know, crews, emergency measures, and all that.
42:32And, um, so the district taxpayers are paying for the cost of these people coming in.
42:37So, a little area.
42:38You got one in the laundry.
42:40Oh, well, I'm going to come back.
42:53related to what this kind of stuff costs.
42:57They haven't given a dollar a day to start .
43:00I don't think you should.
43:15Wait, at one point we did this, it was going to be outside.
43:18Now it's going to be inside.
43:19I don't know whether she's ended up buying it or not.
43:22I don't know.
43:22If it is wine, it should all be domestic tonight, including domestic champagne.
43:28No foreign wines.
43:31Everything domestic.
43:34If you can't have it, too.
43:39This is a very old business.
43:41Of course, if you say the cost...
43:50so many million dollars to get a revolt, that would be great.
43:56There's a fuss starting to build on the district residents because they pay the property taxes here that have to support the police force.
44:07And one thing they may do is come to the Congress and ask for funding for this, which is a perfectly justifiable
44:15And it's coming back to our candidate people.
44:18Do you think we are, aren't we just tempting Bob to just temporize the whole thing because everybody's got a reason not to do it?
44:25I mean, say, well, we can't let Bolshevik do it.
44:29We can't let the pardon go and so forth and so on.
44:34I mean, it's a, I get back to Congress more activist.
44:37People are going, oh, look, God damn it.
44:40You can't, there's not, you've really got to get going.
44:43I look over at Kennedy's
44:47I wish.
44:49Too often, they're just sort of relaxed.
44:51It's like the cancer thing.
44:53How's that coming?
44:54They've got a program they've got together for me.
44:57I haven't seen much of that.
44:59I don't know.
45:01I've got to know.
45:01I've got to see it.
45:02I don't want them to do that.
45:04And it's not something to appeal.
45:07It's not something to appeal.
45:08I'm taking it out of that goddamn NIH.
45:10I want a cancer program.
45:12I'm going to get the next cancer program.
45:15Get me a man to do it.
45:17How's that?
45:18Yeah, there it is.
45:19I'm going here.
45:20You know, I know the whole game, and I think, well, it's going to wait a little while.
45:24Forget it.
45:24I'm not going to forget this.
45:25I'm self-serving.
45:26It's black time.
45:27I'll show you all the missing ones.
45:31It's going to be easy.
45:34Otherwise, we'll spend it with the other person.
45:36Mm-hmm.
45:38The same way the Breeder Reaction thing was presented, they said, well, we've already got enough money in there.
45:43We should rehab a set of programs.
45:45Let's move it over there with the other so on and so on.
45:49And I said, no, we've got to do it.
45:50We can find out at any point in the program and get a little credit for it.
45:55And our thing is exactly the same thing.
45:57Everything we do is done in a workmanlike, bureaucratic, dull, uninterested way.
46:04And that's what carried it back to the cabinet.
46:09I'm sure one day we'll go get Peterson over there and send him to John.
46:14It's just the ideal of that, I think.
46:15I don't know about God, but it stands as one thing for Peter.
46:22He can make it in the fall.
46:24He can make it anyhow.
46:25He might be a sinner.
46:27He might want to go out and take a couple months for a sobari or something first.
46:32He's very big on the journey.
46:33He's not a good one.
46:36He shouldn't be sighted.
46:39I had Peterson move probably that quickly considering it would be a very important staff job.
46:47Paul's really timing it out, but then if we could start, if we let Peterson know, he could start building towards it.
46:54Let Sam know, and so on and so forth.
46:59That's a good point there.
47:00Somebody just might start.
47:05Well, they started letters to the editors and stuff like that.
47:08Right.
47:08Yeah.
47:09Great.
47:10And a lot of reaction, which shows the importance of just the little things.
47:17A lot of reaction to that new guy at the Capitol that people were really upset about.
47:22What do you mean?
47:23I didn't know they were at the Capitol.
47:25Oh, yeah.
47:26The guy stood up on the top parapet on the House side of the Capitol steps.
47:32took off all his clothes, and just stood there like this, just hanging there with his balls hanging out.
47:40Wake up, full view, another guy next to him with a Vietcom flag, and they made a big point of both of them.
47:45Washington Post has a picture of him on the front page this morning, with a little black square covering up his vital parts.
47:52And they said, the photograph was retouched.
47:56But they couldn't get anybody through the line.
47:58It was on TV.
47:58They had a guy.
48:01He said the police would let people through the line to tear down the flag.
48:03I said, well, it's too bad.
48:07No, somehow we got it busted.
48:09Hell, they wouldn't.
48:11They wouldn't let congressmen through the line.
48:15They wouldn't.
48:16They hit Dell in the stomach from the club.
48:19He said it was false.
48:21He said, if I'd been a white guy,
48:29And Mondale, I guess, had stopped.
48:33Yeah, Mondale's lying, too.
48:35He hit the police.
48:36Mondale hit the guys and said, get out of my way.
48:38I'm the United States senator.
48:41That's how they're getting credit for it, isn't it?
48:45It's hard and so forth.
48:47They're very, very angry, right?
48:48Yeah, they were talking about one senator who was standing there, one of the peacemakers, shaking his head.
48:55He was very discouraged.
48:56He had a...
49:00There's so much harm to the whole life.
49:04I mean, to build it, it kind of deserves some call.
49:12We are all trying to get it out.
49:15Did you see the reverse column on the veterans thing?
49:19He did it well.
49:20He did a huge job of making it apparent.
49:25for a while now.
49:25But I do read that all the time when I read the first page.
49:29And that's all you need to know.
49:31There isn't a hell of a lot more to me.
49:32There's a good deal of it from that.
49:33And there's really a ton of help on that.
49:36The basis of it, on TV last night, was the economy completely overrode the European, and Germany in particular, which I'm not questioning.
49:49I read bacon food and gave you the whole dollar.
49:57It was that contract that came on with the lead on and on for 10 minutes.
50:01Nobody knows anything about it, so they all went on and they didn't.
50:03It was spirited.
50:04They didn't know anything about it.
50:06Our people don't know anything about it, including Willie Brown, who was trying to figure out what to do, and they had no money.
50:11Well, they can't blame us for it.
50:12They can't do it.
50:12They've got to do it.
50:16The Germans get to, you know, have themselves, well, they'll squeeze them hard, but right now, too, they shouldn't.
50:22They're the cause of it.
50:24You've got to watch.
50:28He tried to, but I didn't bring him in.
50:31He was in one direction, and I was in another direction.
50:37And, of course, Schultz was in another direction.
50:44McCracken was in another direction.
50:58All that much I'm just keeping it.
51:02There's a lot bigger play here.
51:05Painters here, particularly, are obsessed with painting.
51:13The other times, as occurs on the left side, Washington Post has a door-to-door banter every day.
51:28Yeah, that's actually a Los Angeles secret.
51:30That was the thing he thought about every day.
51:33Right.
51:34Screw this guy.
51:40Sorry.
51:41Well, I'll tell you what.
51:44We handled these people and this guy well.
51:48I'm glad we arrested him.
51:51I'm glad that also ended up in Toronto.
51:53Back when we got that shot.
51:55Yeah.
52:01The success of Vietnamization and the collapse of North Vietnamese morale and capability, were they out there?
52:15No?
52:17got some report from somewhere.
52:20And they extended this to help a column that we're going to get around.
52:26We're going to use that up on the Hill.
52:28Because that can be effective in Congress.
52:31Because they believe that it's a no-back.
52:33And they use them when it's against us.
52:36So we might as well use them when it's with us.
52:43It was interesting because there was a North Vietnamese attack on a... See, they're attacking civilians now.
52:48This is another interesting story that's developing.
52:53At least the line that's being played is that they have the capability to mount military action against South Vietnamese or American military.
53:02So they're now moving to undefended civilian villages.
53:11The Home Guard in those villages has been successfully able to repulse them even on those attacks.
53:29They're breaking the casualties because of the screwing down.
53:33Because of that MIA.
53:36Well, they're not that worried about it.
53:38Now, let me tell you, they say, well, they didn't want to change the reporting like they should probably do.
53:44Now, if they had those MIAs, and actually they'd have collected over a period of months.
53:50Why?
53:50I just put a message up here.
53:51I said, this is just a coincidence.
53:52It's a figure to put off and leave it for demonstration.
53:55I'll lend you money.
53:56There's some son of a bitch in preacher's office.
53:59Some son of a bitch in that office.
54:01They moved a letter and they decided that at this time, they'd put him out.
54:05You could have taken 25 months, maybe 25 the next week, you know, to give it a proper.
54:09And what'd you do?
54:10They did me 51 minutes.
54:11Because we weren't missing.
54:13See, my point is that they didn't all miss this one.
54:15They didn't all miss him one week.
54:17And therefore, we don't all have to catch up in one week.
54:20Why in the hell, there's never, no reporting procedure that says a backlog is not an impairment, is there?
54:26Correct.
54:26Most of you are alive.
54:27Why can't you say it?
54:28Did they announce it?
54:29Is it all within our practice on the week of May the 7th?
54:32To have all the backlogs put out?
54:34Not what the hell are we talking about?
54:37Most of your assignments, only in your practice.
54:39It could have been done.
54:40Fine.
54:40No, I mean, if this doesn't sound right, they could have done it in 10 weeks or the next five weeks.
54:45Wow.
54:46And that, one of our actual fields was only 17.
54:53Okay, we should be down now.
54:58All right guys, it's only 17 this week and it'll show us 68.
55:03Then next week, we should be about 15 here, son.
55:13In the end, that was going to be bad.
55:15I don't think he was going to notice much until this week.
55:18Well, anyway, since we didn't still have what it was a year ago, so what I've said is our cash flows are going to see.
55:24You can always only compare a week with the same week, the same year, because of the season, if I remember right.
55:33And so now, and your thing was just superb on that, what you decided a year ago, two years ago, three years ago, four years ago.
55:41Done, right?
55:42Wonderful.
55:43that one bit that one sets up.
55:45The same one.
55:46I love the thing in that.
55:50I mean, it's called the war thing, let's face it.
55:54They got us in and we're getting them out.
55:56I want to thank y'all.
55:56I've been crying about it.
55:58See, everyone's a bad thing, which we've got to give them a little credit for.
56:01It must have been an accident.
56:02But they had a damn good episode last night of a guy coming home from Vietnam.
56:07See, yes.
56:09Real, real good-looking young kid, huh?
56:13Army Sergeant.
56:15And I showed him arriving, or I showed his wife there to meet him.
56:20you know, runs up and kisses her, she's holding the baby, and he pokes the baby and kicks the baby in his arms.
56:25They say this is, you know, one more, and then they went through the hundred, I mean, you know, there was a test on halfway point.
56:32And we did it.
56:33And that halfway point is a good, good, a new, good one, halfway point.
56:37And it would be two-thirds.
56:38You see, from now on, it's all about, you know, you get halfway point, and the next thing is less than $200,000.
56:44Now it will be down to 14 o'clock, very soon, and they're not going to be able to, I talked to him many times, they're not going to be able to get a draft.
56:58Damn.
57:00Goddamn, why aren't you going to speak?
57:04But you're really going to be able to get that.
57:06Does that mean you won't be able to get it at all?
57:08I don't know.
57:10Good.
57:12Well, the campus thing is done now.
57:14They go into finals in the next few weeks.
57:15Campuses don't matter anymore until September.
57:20We should get it.
57:21We shouldn't do it until then.
57:23There's no point in doing it in the summer.
57:27Well, the combat thing, we can make that announcement.
57:30It seems to me, the draft thing all the way, the story of the two Henrys, she's fighting with you now.
57:39But you know, he's so worried about his little games.
57:42You know, he can't do a game until he has a chance to rehearse.
57:45I said, God damn it, I'm not going to take him to the rehearsal.
57:51He goes, why doesn't he go to rehearsal?
57:53I thought he was going to be a man.
57:55Hell no, I'm asking you.
57:58He said he wanted to meet me, so they brought him to me.
58:01So what I thought, so they made, what I did was come back and did it all over again.
58:06See what I'm saying?
58:07Why didn't he give them another name?
58:08We could always have been in a lot better position.
58:11He first, I rewrote the whole thing twice.
58:14He wanted to give them the ninth and the sixteenth.
58:16I said, no, give them one day.
58:17He said, give them the ninth.
58:19He didn't do that.
58:20He gave them the sixteenth.
58:21All right, now they got the sixteenth.
58:22Now they got the ninth.
58:26I think that's why you didn't want to go over there, but that's all right.
58:32The 16th, that's the last.
58:36He doesn't have any, but that gets it out of the way before you and me.
58:42Yes, yes, and well, he won't have their reply.
58:45I said, oh, Henry, for Christ's sakes, forget their reply.
58:49The 16th is still that one.
59:01He wants to live a long life.
59:03That's one thing he has to do.
59:05That's one thing he has to do.
59:07He loves it.
59:10He loves it.
59:15He loves it.
59:15He loves it.
59:32You know, I think one of the great commissions I need to do is knock off these commissions.
59:39That's the next thing.
59:41That isn't worth it, that commission.
59:44They're not going to go into the Federal Reserve.
59:47That's not any of the matters.
59:49That's why the Federal Reserve dropped their support.
59:52We put White House money into the support.
59:54We've got to get things done as soon as we have to.
1:00:02So what do we have to do?
1:00:06I have to go in there and sit there.
1:00:11Why did we set this up?
1:00:13Why the hell did we set up this study?
1:00:15I don't know.
1:00:16I'm not really sure.
1:00:17I didn't realize we had it.
1:00:18It's one that apparently Arthur Burns got into way back.
1:00:26I'm going to do this.
1:00:27Senator Higgins, when you make a point, I'm trying to get the mission to stop now.
1:00:32I've seen three or four states across here recently.
1:00:35But watch the distance and no more conditions.
1:00:39Don't let them set them up now.
1:00:42When does this point of action run so good?
1:00:49You know, it's interesting.
1:00:50They're rockers, and they're good at what you're doing.
1:00:54They play all the time.
1:00:56They're good at what you're doing.
1:00:57Good.

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