Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 621 › Conversation 621-031

Nixon, Haldeman & Eisenhower on AFL-CIO and National Economy

Saturday, November 20, 1971 · 11:13 AM–12:00 PM ET · Oval Office · 47 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); Eisenhower, Julie Nixon; Parker, David N.; [Unknown person(s)]; Woods, Rose Mary; Bull, Stephen B.; Butterfield, Alexander P.Conversation621-031 on Tape 621 (tape position 02:52:55–03:39:41)StartSaturday, November 20, 1971 at 11:13 AMEndSaturday, November 20, 1971 at 12:00 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 621-031 ↗

President Nixon met with H. R. Haldeman and later Julie Nixon Eisenhower to discuss public relations strategy following a contentious speech at the AFL-CIO convention and ongoing economic policy debates. The conversation centered on managing the administration's image, particularly regarding George Meany and the Pay Board, while planning future outreach efforts for the First Family. The President and his advisors emphasized leveraging family members for volunteer and community engagement events, specifically targeting key demographic groups and regions, to bolster support for his policies.

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On November 20, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Julie Nixon Eisenhower, David N. Parker, unknown person(s), Rose Mary Woods, Stephen B. Bull, and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:13 am to 12:00 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 621-031 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 621-31

Date: November 20, 1971
Time: 11:13 am - 12:00 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     The President's schedule
          -Previous speech to American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial
               Organizations [AFL-CIO] convention
               -Press coverage
                      -Helen A. Thomas
               -Public reaction
                      -Rose Mary Woods
                      -Publicity
                      -Mrs. Lou Gehrig
               -Press coverage
                      -United Press International [UPI]
                      -George Meany
               -Public reaction at John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts event
                      -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
               -John B. Connally's views
                      -Charles W. Colson
               -The President's attendance at Khmer Classical Ballet Performance
               -Julie Nixon Eisenhower

     National economy
          -The President's program
                -Pay Board
                     -Meany's pay raise
                           -Colson's views
                           -John A. Scali's views
                           -Popular views
                           -Editorial writers
                           -Polls
                                 -Meany's pay raise
                                 -The President's previous speech to AFL-CIO convention

                                -Reception by Meany

Public relations
     -Previous speech at AFL-CIO convention
            -Thomas
            -Public reaction
Show the rest of the log (208 more lines)
            -Press coverage
            -The President's previous call to Seymour Halpern
            -Press coverage
                 -Dan Rather
                 -Frank Cormier
                       -Connally's views
                 -Lyndon K. (“Mort”) Allin’s view
                       -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
                             -Meany
                       -American Broadcasting Corporation [ABC]
                 -Tricia Nixon Cox's views
                 -Scali's views
                       -John F. Kennedy's visit to Houston
            -Labor leaders
            -Press coverage
                 -US navy
                 -Film
                       -Julie Nixon Eisenhower and Tricia Nixon Cox
                 -Telegrams to White House
                 -Thomas and Cormier
            -White House reaction
                 -George P. Shultz's view
                       -Meany
                             -Pay Board
                             -Scali's view
                       -The President's economic program
                             -Wage freeze

Rumsfeld
    -Possible meeting with the President
    -Forthcoming call from Haldeman
         -The President's economic program

National economy
     -The President's program

           -Meany's pay increase
               -James D. Hodgson
               -George W. Romney

Public relations
     -Previous speech to AFL-CIO convention
            -Popular reaction
                 -Press coverage
            -Thomas's view
            -Associated Press
                 -Cormier
                 -Ronald L. Ziegler
            -Press coverage
            -Content and phraseology
                 -The Vice President
                       -Rather
            -Press coverage
                 -Rather
                 -White House response
                       -Ziegler
                       -Cormier
                       -The President’s view
            -Gen. Walter R. Tkach's view
            -White House response
                 -Meany
                       -Participation on Pay Board
                             -Connally's view
                       -Pay increase
                             -Connally's possible statement
            -The President's conversations with Halpern and Alan Bible

Helicopter
     -Noise

Tkach

Ziegler
     -Gerald L. Warren

The President's schedule
     -Football games

                -Pepper Rodgers

Julie Nixon Eisenhower and David N. Parker entered at 11:36 am.

          -Woods

Haldeman left at 11:36 am.

     Julie Nixon Eisenhower's schedule
           -Haldeman's presence in meeting

The President talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 11:36 am and 11:37
am.

[Conversation No. 621-31A]

     Requested Haldeman join them

[End of telephone conversation]

Rose Mary Woods entered at 11:37 am.

     Julie Nixon Eisenhower's schedule
           -Haldeman
           -The President

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at an unknown time after 11:37 am.

          -William L. Safire
          -Patrick J. Buchanan

     US Navy
         -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II
         -Blacks

     First Family's schedule
           -Location of appearances
           -Television
           -Local candidates
           -Issues compared to politics
                 -The President’s policies

-David Eisenhower and Tricia Nixon Cox
-Mrs. Nixon
-Invitations
      -Case Western Reserve University
      -Youth
            -The President’s view
            -High schools and colleges
-White House staff involvement
      -Scali, Richard A. Moore, Safire and Ziegler
      -Advance staff
      -Secret Service
-The President's schedule
-Invitations
      -Screening
            -Julie Nixon Eisenhower’s view
      -Number
      -Company Christmas parties
      -Jews and blacks
            -The President’s view
      -Catholics and ethnics
      -Jews and blacks
            -The President’s instructions
-Television talk shows
      -Possible questions
            -The Vice President
      -Possible conversation topics
-Volunteer center
      -Director
            -Frederic V. Malek
      -Aged
            -Julie Nixon Eisenhower’s possible participation
-Aged
      -Compared to youth
      -Number
            -Voting pattern
-Volunteer organizations
      -Vocational clubs and boys clubs
      -Julie Eisenhower’s participation
            -Young Men’s Christian Association [YMCA]
            -Boy Scouts
            -4-H

                       -Salvation Army
                 -Presidential awards
           -Presidential awards to individuals
           -Drugs
                 -Efforts of professional athletes
                       -David Eisenhower
           -Television talk shows
                 -Robert F. Kennedy
                 -Issues
                       -Buchanan
                 -Personality
                       -Previous questions on Cleveland television show
                 -Issues
                       -John D. Ehrlichman and John C. Whitaker
                             -Environment
                       -Public concern
                             -Polls
                 -Family life
                       -Tricia Nixon Cox
                       -Woods
                       -Ann Landers
                 -Letters to the White House
           -Locations
                 -South
                       -Border states
                 -Mountain states
                       -Importance
                 -Small states

Stephen B. Bull and Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 11:56 am.

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Julie Nixon Eisenhower, Parker and Woods left at 11:58 am.

     The President's schedule

Bull and Butterfield left at 12:00 pm.

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Now, let's see here.
Well... What did you call it, a labor speech?
Yeah.
Good.
We saw that paper today.
But we made it have a bouquet.
I guess it is my single paper.
So we saw the 13 that was wrote in over there.
I thought NBC was the best, because I was a student.
Yeah.
But Rose and Beanie and Mother and David and I watched it.
Beth, did you still think it came out as a plus?
Yes, I do.
Because it's a complex.
Yes, I sure do.
Hi.
Hi.
I was just telling Daddy to go on the free network.
You know, that's the first thing that you need to do.
The first family, right?
Oh, I think that's great.
Yeah.
How are you?
And I go, I'm not calling you on any business, but something much more important.
My old friend from the Senate base has just got a birthday.
And is that right?
Well, I want to wish you the best.
And just hope you have many happy returns.
Well, you know, after all, after all, you're just a senator.
A senator from my wife's faith that she would never forget unless I called you.
Right, as a matter of fact, today, I'm here in the office, you know, I get lots of files out, but I get all the other files that have many things done, and they just have a long meeting to call, and it's very easy.
So then I go up to Camp David to say, you know, if you go to it, it's too much of an error for those four folks, haven't you?
Yeah, yeah.
All right.
All right, yeah.
Well, wait.
Sure, sure.
Yeah.
Wait here, you have to.
You know, I had an interesting, I had an interesting thing that just came to my mind.
I saw something here.
Here's a call, uh, this, uh, you know, you get to look at it.
They had, uh, thousands of wires.
Here's an interesting one from Mrs. Lou Garrett.
She said, you're admirable courage for the rudeness of Mr. Meany.
And followers was wonderful to see today.
It's a tough ball game.
Keeps coming.
Keeps coming.
That's it.
I've never met.
I've never met.
It's scary, but it's rather nice.
Oh, boy.
It was a great one.
Well, good.
Good job.
Did you show that fellow Randy Davis?
Oh, I will.
I'll be there.
He loves to see that.
Danny, is this a Washington book?
Yeah, very unusual.
Is it?
One and a half.
Nine?
Yes, one and a half.
Yeah.
But you thought that the TV was a boss.
Yes, I really did.
And, uh, the, uh, TV made it clear enough through the...
I...
That's where it must be.
By the way, this is an awful view, don't you think so?
I love it.
I don't think it's too big.
It's awful.

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I can check out there and figure out the origin.
Well, if I'm not mistaken, have you said that Julie and I look over these kind of things?
With Parker.
What do you think?
Okay.
As you decide.
I'm always strange.
Excuse me.
Julie didn't want you, but I seem to like it.
I don't either.
Well, I didn't think I would because I have to be there to pass my dinner to mine, and I can't go to everybody's house.
When are you coming back?
We'll drive back.
When's our drive back?
Well, what time is your dinner?
When will you get there?
I have to be ready at 3.30.
It's so early.
3.30?
6.30.
It's so early.
Why don't you go, Rose?
It might be a nice way to go.
You don't want to?
You don't want to do what you want to do?
Well, I've got to get a clue.
I just wanted to get my phone closed off, that's what I was going to do.
I'd love to, you know, I'd love to have been there.
I'd love to be there.
It's just that, because up to now, I haven't thought, you know, I don't want to get my phone closed off.
So, you know, it's a very, very strange thing to do that.
Well, why don't you plan to spend some time with him over Thanksgiving?
Let me just say something.
Yeah, if you and, uh, if that's what I'm saying.
I say put that out when you go out for Thanksgiving and spend some time.
Why don't you go in to, uh, you go in to Rose, and as soon as Parker's there, go over to your room, and let me spend 15 minutes with the staff people.
Sure.
And then, and let's, very few, I mean, interrupt me, okay?
Yeah, okay.
You and Rose, how about us?
Would you like to see him?
I'll see him.
Start us out.
I've got one.
I've got one that's going with this.
Oh, well, Thomas has done a policy story.
Which is President Nixon's error.
There's one thing I was going to say.
I should have thought of it.
Of all people, Rosewood, did you think of getting on the idea of wires, calls, and telephone?
Oh, yeah.
Or you thought you'd put that story out there?
Wait, you mean the story out that we're getting?
Yeah.
No, because we've got to get, you know...
Well, they've already received over 500.
That's not bad, as long as we've got a head track.
Yeah.
So I'd say we're telling you some pieces of it.
Now that one, which is a hell of a story, it's probably the best we already have.
Did you read that?
Yeah, I did just now.
Oh, you see that?
Oh, look at this.
It's on the wire service.
I've already used it on PPI.
Which they were pushing.
Anyway, she goes into the Nixon coupon strong and Kampauer hardens off the tough speech after ignoring the advice of his staff not to take on the cigar-chewing President A. of Los Angeles, President Babinski, in his attack.
Nixon disregarded the advice, his words were greeted by either stony silence or mocking laughter from the union leaders.
Last night, the President was cheered and lionized by a sellout audience at the John F. Kennedy Center performing archery in the first day he attended the Florence Cambodian Ballet.
On his arrival at the center, there were hot stretch cans, and one man said, Don't let me get you down.
Which is...
I think we're going to get this, as Chuck said, this kind of thing coming off of it.
Now, the interesting reaction is, as Chuck talked to him, and God, he said, the stroke of pure genius in his whole life was the president coming back and going to the ballet.
Oh, I almost agree with what he said.
Yeah.
Okay.
That was great.
But he lied about it.
That was a stroke of genius.
And he understood the idea of, you know, that if you pull the plug and it came back, it was good.
So, oh, I would be better.
The, uh, thing I kind of boiled down to in here is really the question of, I know I didn't want a two-minute shooting, but I had to see Julian for a good two minutes, but I thought I'd figure it all out.
Yeah.
The, uh... What are you talking about?
Well, you've really come to a basic strategy question, which I've made yourselves talk to me about, that he wanted to end it up for a few minutes.
Uh, I talked to him this morning, didn't I?
That he argued strongly, which is that you have, and Scali totally agrees with this, that you have...
The follow-up issue and that there is intermingled with this one.
We're studying this one.
We need the follow-up and that that is the meeting pay raise.
You have no option on the question of whether you're going to make the meeting an entity or not because he's made himself an entity and you have a debate that we have to take the pay raise on.
Is that a violation?
It's not legally a violation, because our guidelines are within categories, and as long as their overall category doesn't go up by 5.5, he can take the big chunk.
But, as Callie argues, there is no way that me can win a public battle on the justification of that pay raise, because people don't believe that anybody's worth 90,000 bucks a year.
We've got to be tough on that industry now.
Now, I think they understand that these goddamned, what else can I say?
They're huge favorites.
The argument then is, and I think we're wrong in moving, and I think we're coming, everybody's coming out of this, that we're wrong in moving to
the government taking on me on the pay raise, because then you open up the repression and Nixon comes back mad from the convention and orders me to use pay raise, and I couldn't believe him, which is bad, because you go the other way.
If editorial writers
And then maybe some, even some labor people, were to say, this is a terrible thing for this man to do.
Also, if there were a national poll that indicated that the people in general, and union members specifically, by 70 to 30 percent, thought it was a terrible thing for me to vote himself a paper.
I just did.
I just did.
What is your question?
I said it should be 5.5% each, but it's too complicated.
What we've got in is, in view of the current waste price restrictions, do you think it was right for George Meade to have himself given a pay increase of $70,000 a year to $90,000 a year?
That's not exactly what it is.
That's the essence of what we're saying.
I produce a 90% no answer.
Thank you.
That's very clever.
I've also put in the question of what is your reaction, do you approve or disapprove of the hostile reception given to President Nixon by George Meany in the AFL meeting, given by George Meany after that?
How did the President speak?
That's good.
That's the way, that's the way to fight it.
Ah, I'm sorry, I'm fighting it.
But I do think you can get the, I do think every move for, I do think, though, that the telegram story is, the Helen Thomas thing is fine.
That's, but the telegram story is, the White House is flooded with colorful colors.
Yeah, it's just, it's all like that.
She gets, she gets it, you know.
Now, there's calls I holler, and it's kind of secretive when I call them, because there's only two we've got in New York.
There's a whole line of liberal friends who are all for you and so forth.
But this, though, tends to confirm the point that we were making earlier, which is that the regards to the specifics of the TV license, this is where this comes from, because nobody knows.
They had to have read the paper or seen the TV.
There was nothing live.
is the impression you get is that you went in strong and that they acted in not good grace and that's what's coming through in your present display of wonderful courage.
I think that's what you're saying.
You're admirable courage.
I think the courage thing is coming in without their saying it because we built the lion's den, sorry, to begin with.
And I'm voting for the lion's den if that's true.
He wrote a better story than that.
Take a look.
That's a good story.
If we could get a union leader or even a union member to resign with a blast or file a suit in court stopping the mean pay raise or something like that, that's where we'd say we're going to work on.
Well, Mark, in his verbal summary, which he doesn't put in here, I talked to him last night because I couldn't watch all of them at once, about the wrap-up, and I said, how did we come out overall?
He said, we came out best on CBS.
And I had seen CPS, and I said, Jesus, we're in real trouble, because that was pretty bad.
He said, no, it was bad in the content, but not in the impression.
Because there was so much of the present.
See, there was over three minutes of you on film on CPS.
And they had to stuff you going into crime, which was actually really good, in the contrast of meeting him on the platform.
So he had felt that was the one we did the best of.
I had felt the vacancy was better.
He disagreed, and I think he's probably right.
As far as the impression, not as far as the statistics.
You know?
I think she made a very good point.
She said that you really do.
Except for one thing, of course, where I believe now, and she really won't admit it.
She said it's really something on a network.
She watched it all.
That's the one that we lost, that we really got to pay for our game.
Scali raised a very good point, which is one he's going to play with, which is the analogy to John Kennedy going to Houston.
They built that as one of the great acts of courage that John Kennedy wanted to do in Houston to talk to the Baptists.
This is a very analogous situation.
Except it took a hell of a lot of work, because the Baffles were polite, respectful, and essentially gross a lot.
But the fact remains, they were not the kind of people that the labor people are.
They were not politicians.
They were not crude, British, or Boards.
And yet they battled on and on about what a mining and lacquer barrier that was.
And he said, now, we can tell you that direct analogy.
which they'll have to get parts to rerun and pick up.
Why don't we have somebody, you know, apparently the Navy, and I understood this, and I'm pretty sure Julia has to get it run.
She says that the Navy doesn't have it.
That's right, because they wouldn't let our country run.
Could we get the CBS out of the border?
Oh, yeah.
Could we get it from that?
Sure.
Well, would you then, as I understand it, could we get it so that we could run it on our, can we have it here?
Oh, yeah.
No, we can't run it.
Yeah, we can't.
We do have a wire, we may be able to get a belt if you can.
Would you mind seeing if you could get a tape of the top?
I agree that I have a second point.
If there is no tape, there would only be a belt.
Well, if we could get a belt, could somebody take it and cut it?
And you've got a big argument.
How would that be?
Well, we're doing that because we're working.
I'd like to get that, whatever's wrong with people, prosperity line in there.
Yeah, that's a good one.
That's the one you thought I'd be on.
And treatment and the penalty came to the same.
It's the best line.
It's the best line.
It's for the law of law.
It's for us because it tells that story there.
All right.
And you can cut it off.
Okay.
Okay, wait a minute.
I'll take that copy and put it in another copy of that bar.
But I'd like to say, stand down.
I do think the WIRES story goes up.
Don't rely on all the talk about, give her the WIRES story.
That's what we did, give it to the WIRES, and go ahead and send that one to people.
But Gary, I thought that Gary would write it.
And that was personal.
I don't have any money.
But the general feeling in there is that it's fine.
They can get it, bury it, run it.
It hasn't been working at all.
Yeah, but what they're after is how we now... See, he tells us that he's been moved to kick him off the board.
Kick him off the board?
I don't know how he can do that.
He says, uh...
I mean, he's violated the, the, uh, scallop deal at the same time.
He's violated the, the, uh, you know, he took an oath, or not an oath, he took an oath to, to fight inflation and all that.
He took an oath to blow the border.
Yeah.
In short, just show us what to do then.
Yeah.
Well, do we want to blow the border?
I don't know.
Show us that.
Rodney wants to be very controlled, you see what I mean?
I think that's what he's gonna do from now, put on a freeze.
Go back to a freeze.
But then what do you do after the freeze?
That's gotta be figured out first.
And you told George to work on his contingency plans.
That's what he's gotta do.
before he resigns now
We cut off our nose and spider our face with it.
I think you are.
Why do we kick him?
Why do we let him take the move?
I think that's what you want.
Now, the other way is to go to him and tell him, would you mind taking some more on his face increase, which kind of puts him in a better position?
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I don't think there's any way to do it.
I don't care.
Let's just see it.
One of our break-in captain officers on his own might take it off.
Who knows?
Maybe Robbie.
He might.
I think it's not a bad ticket.
Or do we want anybody to captain it?
I think, I think, don't know.
This is so that everybody knows he was removed.
If you say it again, maybe you can answer for us.
Sure, why not help Thomas Ferry?
It's a good follow-up, because of the reception we see with the, uh, the energy center to get that thing from loading us.
Well, especially with that line.
That's, it's great that she got it.
Sock it to him, though.
Sock it to him, Mr. President.
Don't let me get you down.
Yeah.
I'll give you a chance, if one man said it.
President, I think President should relax a bit.
All right.
Helen likes to, when you send a key and she's emotional, and she sees you stand up like that, I think she gets, you know, kind of carried away by it, which is good.
I do think it's about, I mean, you know, it's so important to us.
I'd say that when he gets back, he should maybe say, maybe I'm, maybe I'm, maybe my, maybe my reading of the, of the, I'm actually working on a report about the, or I actually, I think the rest of us should be mad about that.
But I mean the original report.
Yeah.
Didn't you think it was a, was it a bad report?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was.
Yeah.
It was all loaded the wrong way.
Yeah, I hear them.
Oh, I don't.
Maybe not.
Maybe you should go.
You know, I mean, you've got to live with these guys.
Yeah, but you can sit down and look.
Oh, this is very good.
I don't understand any of the other stuff.
Look at the other stuff.
If you were there, you'd know what the situation was.
I can't understand how you come up.
Oh, let's try this one.
The one thing that I can't do is I can't believe, you know, the...
I know a cold performance, and that was, I knew exactly every moment.
I know what I was doing.
You agree?
Yeah.
What do you do?
You just make the... Because it fits their story.
Yeah, because even today, they had a chance, in a sense, because you stopped for a second and you slowed down that laughter thing, which you had to do if you were, you know, working the thing, but they did that, and then they...
You referred to Vice President Agnew as President Agnew, which was a slur.
You know, you were talking fast at that point.
You said it, and it was a quip.
Remember, you threw into something on the Washington Post as you were pulling that thing out of your pocket.
See, President Agnew was through with this or something.
And so they're making a point that you said President Agnew instead of Vice President.
Who's they?
Perhaps.
One of the reporters did.
I think the courtesy of the press office is to correct that.
You know, they know you know he's not present in that, you know, and they don't care.
Actually, he is my, he is my wife and son-in-law.
You did.
I heard it at the time, time of the line, but it's the kind of thing that, because you, it was a point where you threw in a little quip.
It was a parenthetical interjection there, as a, as a gag.
No, they just meant, they were timing it to the, to the, uh,
I'm trying to make the nervous case there that you were rattled by the laughter or something of that effect.
One guy was.
And that is, that's not worth worrying about.
That's not what you've done.
I don't think it's got a point of story.
It hasn't at all.
That story is unfair, Bob.
That's my point.
Yeah, Scott, that was, I mean, don't you agree?
I mean, anybody that was there immediately after wasn't going to say there was anything being rattled.
No, Scott, that would be part of the mythology of all of us.
They would have knocked it over.
I said, wait a minute, I think it's just a good guy that noticed, that's watched every speech you've given.
In fact, it would have already got you as, you know, just a non-substantive observer.
He, at one point, came over and he said, boy, he's really up for this, isn't he?
And at a later point, he said, this guy is absolutely great.
He was completely overcome with it.
Or you do try to get that, so that doesn't get a part of the mythology.
It's not good.
Understand, I don't want to be around them, but I don't want them to think that they got to me.
That's my point.
It's the same thing.
It's not the way she presses it, you know, in her question.
I'm not kicking him off the board.
That's wrong.
Tell him so.
You can't do that.
That's the wrong reaction.
I don't think Conley agrees with that.
Or he's so confident.
I think your point is that I think I hit him from all the other sides.
I don't think I hit him on his pay increase.
Although Conley will be asking about it on Monday.
And he should say he accomplished a little.
And he should hit it there.
Yes, it's a violation.
It's wrong.
The problem is he can go back, it's his last day increase in five years or something, and then his 28% increase, which is 5.5 per year.
So it's all right.
And they raise the president's salary to $200,000.
I'll let you get into that.
I'll make that one else.
Oh, that was a curse.
You're going over my account.
Well, all in all, one thing that makes two and a half years ago, huh, it was two and a half years ago, the Lennon Bible Conference, one thing at all that is certainly uninteresting, uh, my hope is that both, both seem are half-altered in Bible, uh, half-Bible also, certainly.
I think that's what you did again.
I don't think there's too bad of a lot of analysis that I would not recommend.
I don't understand if he has a call.
This thing in the back.
Oh, so he's gonna send this call down to this guy.
He's gonna have a call, so you're right in the head.
And there, the big skirt is a chance for a...
Sorry, these are for all of you.
You never know.
You never know whether you're in it or not.
You never know.
But also, it was kind of also for the capability of what we did in that cigarette.
Now, the cigarette is at war.
It's a good version of the young girl.
He's got a gun.
He's got a name.
Great job.
I hope you're not rushing up to watch that game.
It's going to be worth watching.
I think I see a way.
Of course, I don't think who's going to lose.
Yeah, well, I see we covered it.
That's what makes me the best of you.
I think I see probably what we're going to be the hell out of.
What do you think?
Pepper Rogers just says he finds himself a quarterback.
There's no quarterback, is there?
He's got one, but he doesn't... As far as he's...
He should be great, but he just hasn't connected.
We might have a lot that can't move the team.
Maybe, if the place you already see connects, maybe it would be necessary.
Maybe I didn't come out of the game tomorrow, so I'm going to come and just give it back to you.
Absolutely, brother.
I mean, we're going to leave after.
I guess that's what I do think.
Well, no, I'm not going to be in that position.
I feel free to come back.
I just might as well go out again and help some of those guys.
We have the guns inside.
We're going to move.
No.
No, I mean, the arms, they can get out and we're going to get them.
I won't be looking for them.
Oh, she didn't know you wanted her.
I love you.
We were talking on the phone.
I love you.
Well, uh, we, uh, I want you to know, uh, let me talk to you.
She's got a good feel of this, sir.
Yeah.
You can fit it into my schedule.
Uh, first, I'm making her a procedure to let you know, uh, how I want to step back in.
the importance that I have to this gift, so you know.
I want you to consider this gift and put a lot of hope in this.
Chet is an important stranger to me, because he's doing a great deal of defense, and can have a real lasting effect.
Now,
you've uh you've got here i guess saying bob you're ready to read that research out there to fail to know i read this stuff they didn't prepare the difficulty is it's much too long
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Now what we want here is to get a feel of the kind of events the Navy is going to go to.
The Navy and the Armed Forces of the Libertaries get themselves in on this.
They decided that they could go demonstrate for the blacks, and now they want it.
They've got to let them demonstrate.
They can go out and speak when they want to.
Now, the question of states is very important.
I think that the first priority should be actually the big states, and we want the big states there.
And there, you go down through those states, and every time,
I have in mind that the most important thing, what I have in mind, is what comes off the tube.
On the tube, that doesn't mean you don't have an event.
The event, of course, would be the basis of the tube.
It doesn't mean that it's going on a talk show.
It should be there every now and then.
But you've got to look at it in terms of television.
It is not worth believing in that.
I can't even say she's drunk.
Anyone, going any place, unless there's some television coverage, we're never approved.
The second thing is that we will not, I put the word out, nothing.
I don't want it three times for any candidates.
Not candidates for the Senate, candidates for the House, we're not going, I don't want these to be political jobs.
The third thing is that all hands should be told that they are not to talk politically.
and the lack of the convention.
They are not to talk politically, and that's true today, and everybody else, they can talk about the issues,
I think you've done great.
No, no, I'm just trying to figure out what you mean by that.
I avoid that, but also how do you think you figure this out?
uh the election behind you smile say well listen i'm not here for that purpose but i'm going to be well but let's come to the agency in other words
about once a week.
And basically, we can't give each other any.
This is actually traditional.
In her case, the events have got to be important.
I think that rather than just simply taking our invitations that we have to generate events, that's the other thing.
The generation of events is important.
Like, the case wasn't reserved.
He generated that, and it was really good.
Yeah.
Well, exactly.
You see, if you get it too easy, now, incitations can do very well.
Now, then, you get a good invitation, but not too often.
Usually, there's a different kind of thing.
But the kind of things that are the anniversary of the founding of the city, that sort of thing, the things that relate with people, I'd like to consider them.
as much identification with young people.
With young people.
That's not a bad idea.
Incidentally, consider some identification with high school.
But it's too much of a risk.
The junior high went very well.
Of course, junior high is different.
I think high school is better than college.
I was sure that if you don't go to college, in contact with young people, you go for high school and poorly young.
Yeah, blue collar.
Yeah, we discussed that.
The colleges are made to order demonstrations and maintenance.
Well, and you're, as you and I talked about, Judy, you're squared.
and you're therefore not fashionable with the, with the, what they think is fashionable college group.
You are fashionable with the vast majority of youth, and you ought to play with the ones you're, that are... We're trying, but you've got to get those youth people to think up some of that.
You know, the youth people have got to, got to get at this.
I, uh, that's a, that's a thing, so I think there's a guy there who, not the college type.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I want this done at the highest priority.
Everybody spends too much time on my schedule and not on others.
a very, very high priority.
And because when I go in a place, you see Bob, the reason I action is so strong, we all have, we've got Scallop, and Moore, and Sapphire, and Ziegler, and you know, an umpteen hundred people, and eighty-three or four are advanced men in secret services.
If I just went out by myself, I'd be covered.
There's no problem.
There's no problem at all.
What we need here, though,
And it's just wrong to have that go out and have it be a sweet little event.
And by God, it's not going to be that way anymore.
It hasn't been so far.
Yeah, there have been some.
There were, but they're not going to be that way anymore.
That's what I mean.
What I think is this, to show the importance of your job,
Your job is more difficult and more important than the jobs of the people that schedule the meeting.
Mine's falling off of all of them.
Mine's falling off of all of them.
In terms of not only scheduling the meeting, but then people are doing good.
We've got to realize that in their case, the question is building it up.
Can I say one thing?
I think the most important aspect of our trip is getting the right event.
Because we can handle it.
If we have a sincere type event that we are going to fit into well, where you're not going to have a lot of questions and phoniness surrounding the event so people don't think you're in there, this is the real key.
Because we can take it from there and really convince people that we're interested in this program.
Do we have enough invitations?
Are we capturing invitations?
Can we get a little guidance?
What do you think, Bob?
We'd have to move out more to Genoa, because the stuff that comes in is not, most of it is not really good.
You know, you're young workers.
It seems to me that in some of these huge companies,
They'd be so thrilled if you could have a Julie, a Trisha, or a David come in and say something, say you're doing Christmas in New Year's or something, for their own workers.
They would be the biggest Christmas gift the firm could give them.
You could go into somebody's, somebody got a plan, might invite them to their work.
And have an age group.
As a matter of fact, you might have some unions for the Christmas party.
Of course, we've got to make sure that the invitation didn't come from us or somebody might leak it.
That would be good.
That's the perfect event.
Joint troops.
Negro groups, still, you do them only because other people care about them.
Catholic groups, ethnic groups, enormously important.
We saw them get our support.
And they're really nice, too, whenever we go.
Like this Mayor Curtis, one of the great people.
He's so nice.
So you see, look, boy, you're not going to get it.
There are more invitations to Jewish groups than everything else put together here.
Well, they were very nice to Daddy at the time.
No, yeah.
Okay.
They were nice.
No.
Oh, yeah.
Well, everything he wanted to do was great.
Everything he wanted to do was great.
Okay.
yeah the others are good the others won't close anyway your father sent them over the years i've done them all and they said i know they were nice and they're wonderful people and those were there before you because they were soon but but i'm just going to be saying that you'll be over you'll be flooded with that kind of thing i would go to uh i guess that i have gotten really good ideas but i do know that
I think that, well, when you think in the politics, I think you want to get into the administration programs you think are great.
You want them to say, well, what administration programs do you really like?
That's good.
But I think the Beck way is not, is, um, not the way Brown was, just not the way Brown was.
I don't know, that's not a question I'm going to come down on.
That's why, okay, let's go on that other...
We can only get the event for when you get on the show, you say, well, I'm so glad to be in town for this reason, and then you talk about it, and then it's perfect.
And then you talk about that, certainly.
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Conversation 621-031, November 20, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/621-031 (accessed November 2, 2026).