Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 894 › Conversation 894-005

Nixon, Luns & Rumsfeld on NATO and Diplomacy

Thursday, April 12, 1973 · 11:44 AM–12:28 PM ET · Oval Office · 4 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Luns, Joseph M. A.; Rumsfeld, Donald H.; Kissinger, Henry A.; White House photographer; [Unknown person(s)]Conversation894-005 on Tape 894StartThursday, April 12, 1973 at 11:44 AMEndThursday, April 12, 1973 at 12:28 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 894-005 ↗

President Nixon met with NATO Secretary General Joseph M. A. Luns, accompanied by Donald Rumsfeld and Henry Kissinger, to conduct diplomatic discussions regarding the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. The meeting commenced with a formal photograph session and included an exchange of gifts, specifically cufflinks. While the majority of the policy discussions remain classified, the interaction served as a high-level engagement to maintain relations with the NATO leadership.

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President, how are you doing?
We've got to get down to the studio again.
Let's sit down over here.
I can argue with you over the voice.
I can argue with you over the voice.
I can argue with you over the voice.
I can argue with you over the voice.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you, ma'am.
Thank you, ma'am.
Yes, I was supposed to sign it for the first time.
I think it's a skirt today.
Well, I don't know where the skirt is.
He's got a skirting board.
I think it's a bag or something.
It's got a bag.
It's got a bag.
Thank you.
Here, I'll give you a little present.
You're, uh... No, no, no, no.
This is the, uh...
This is the, uh...
This is the, uh...
This is the, uh...
This is the, uh...
This is the, uh...
This is the, uh...
Yeah, well, you're lucky to work for a strong man.
Goodbye.
Thank you.
Have a good one.
Don't give up on it.
Okay.
Bye.

On April 12, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Joseph M. A. Luns, Donald H. Rumsfeld, Henry A. Kissinger, White House photographer, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:44 am to 12:28 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 894-005 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 894-5

Date: April 12, 1973
Time: 11:44 am - 12:28 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Joseph Marie Luns, Donald H. Rumsfeld, and Henry A. Kissinger. The
White House photographer and members of the press were present at the beginning of the
meeting.

     North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]

     Introductions

     Photographs
          -Arrangements

[Photograph session]

     Fashion

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[National security]
[Duration: 39 m 45 s ]

     NORTH ATLANTIC TREATY ORGANIZATION [NATO]

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                                            Conversation No. 894-5 (cont’d)

An unknown woman entered at an unknown time after 11:44 am.

     Presentation of gifts
          -Cufflinks

     Rumsfeld
         -Appearance
         -Spouse

Luns, Rumsfeld, Kissinger, and the unknown woman left at 12:28 pm.
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Conversation 894-005, April 12, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/894-005 (accessed October 5, 2026).