On June 18, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 6:19 pm to 6:54 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 944-007 of the White House Tapes.
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I don't want to be involved in that, sir.
I hope so.
I don't want to be involved in that, sir.
I don't want to be involved in that, sir.
I don't want to be involved in that, sir.
I don't want to be involved in that, sir.
I don't want to be involved in that, sir.
I don't want to be involved in that, sir.
I don't want to be involved in that, sir.
Now he's hurt, so it isn't that he couldn't change his role, as long as there's no one wrong with him.
He's glad, anyway.
Let's take a swing at him.
He wants to fly, but he doesn't know how to fly.
Get somebody else down here.
Yes, we can.
I think he's probably as good as the guy that changed the aircraft.
He's well set up, and he's got a bunch of...
Better be sure he doesn't trip too much when he's firing on us.
He's known.
He hasn't got that reputation.
In fact, he made that point to me the last time.
I had this thing with Scranton.
Scranton made the point to me that we had to be very concerned about it.
This guy said, I've had some problems at home on this issue.
And he said, we've got to do it.
We've got to get the energy.
That's the career he wanted.
In fact, he's also very individualistic on controls and what have you.
And if he's a good Republican, good in that sense, but I think it doesn't hurt to have somebody a little bit on the left, doesn't it?
It's a little bit not desired, but he is.
He's our employee at the time, so he's our center.
So basically, there's no problem.
Well, I had a good briefing on this thing.
These guys are all, they're all on this.
This person is unbrave.
Mr. President, if we don't have a law and order, the committee has the power to determine the patience of the proceedings.
However, with phrases, it's going to suggest that we didn't.
You see?
You say, therefore, Mr. Dean should tell this story and put it under oath as soon as possible.
You let it stop there.
You see, I think, really, I'm saying, I'm not sure that's what I was going to ask, but I don't know.
I don't know why they're out there waiting.
The committee has the power to determine the patient.
That's .
You did not ask me to make that point.
I said, and then the other point, that there's no bearing on the St. Vincent's?
No, you're right.
I just made the first choice.
I read this enigmatic about it.
I don't think that you, like the Desmond and John Dean, has been a subject of extensive review and restored stories for many weeks.
Therefore, you should tell the story to the public, and they're able, as soon as possible, other than the committee and the power to determine the fate.
I just think you're making good business.
It's going to make a...
I don't know what it does in terms of yardage.
I tend to...
I hate that bit, but...
I think he already just made a matter of fact that we had nothing to do with it.
The White House did not request, nor was it consulted on any action.
Those are the hearings.
Those are the hearings.
We have nowhere to come.
I'm glad I didn't go through this exercise and say I was more conscious of my response.
I agree.
You see, I'm inclined to just say that we have not consulted on any action.
Nina, don't.
The hell do you think they have any money for?
The White House did not request that this consult about the committee's actions postpone the hearing until next week.
We have no further comment.
We have no further comment.
We have no further comment.
We have no further comment.
I think it's best to be very mature sometimes.
You've got to be very mature.
I don't know if we want to ever get a meeting, but you see what I mean?
We're going to kick him around.
Let that be gone.
You're going to have the bazaars and people like that.
They're going to leave around a little bit of that.
They're only going to have a lot of it.
But I don't think it's going to have anything to do with the state of the art.
I'm just, I think it's probably just getting this adjourned, I don't know what I'm saying.
It's adjourned.
And if you look at it, it's not too bad.
I mean, on the antipositive side.
They're coming up with a strong summit.
California's strong.
Yeah, they're going to betray themselves as taking patriotic action.
And that's what he's doing.
And in a sense, well, the difficulty with it is the bear action, as I told the czar, in a sense, they get in both ways, in a sense.
And it will give their effect, saying, well, this thing's done so bad, we don't want it to come out at a time of embarrassment.
Well, that's what I'm going to say.
All right.
Now, I just don't think you can fight it this way this week.
I mean, you've just got to fight it when it comes out, really.
Well, that's what I said to Al earlier.
I said, look, this is obviously a political move.
It's secure and calm.
We can figure that out.
It's gotta be.
Well, I think so.
I frankly think that the committee probably wasn't going to tell a lot of people about doing this.
But they would have moved without question if they thought they had a hell of a tough witness that was going to determine the direction of the president.
They don't want this to succeed.
Departments don't want this to succeed.
If they thought they had you, you couldn't have done to get that out in a million years.
This is the result of the weekend's discovery.
So I think just the one-sentence thing is the thing to do.
Okay, so let's get, let's very good and come back in and talk about the book.
All right, we going out to breathe now?
Yeah, we didn't breathe.
Huh?
We didn't breathe semi-automatically until the second part of the thing.
We'll get that out in a second.
When I, I had a, it's already going to go up.
He's enamored with this idea of proving that demons stole some money.
I don't know if that's what happened.
But he said that he's a thief in addition to being a liar and a perjurer.
I mean, he's a smart perjurer.
That'll really hurt him.
Oh, my gosh.
I think absolutely.
People understand that more than any other single thing.
Once he's in that category, he's lost whatever credibility he had.
I think I stand it for him.
Well, if they can prove it.
Coulson's in.
Or if he's admitted it, which is what we understand.
He's already admitted it.
Well, then what?
He took $4,000 and put it back in the safe.
Is that what he said?
When was the first time?
Well, we don't understand what he really said.
But the rumor is that he admitted it still.
This is getting off, basically.
Yes.
Well, I do, because of his war.
Yeah, he finished over $16,000, according to Bazar in 1516.
And they ever started on the road with the big bank accounts and the rest, they were so fine.
God, that really embarrasses me.
Bazar's been a second gentleman.
He's really got a tiger on his back now.
Maybe that's all right.
I think it's great, man.
I found him to be very good at these.
Yeah.
You remember the first two weeks here, I mean, it was Mr. Bloom.
That's good.
I'm fortunate to look at the pieces.
I'm just fortunate others look at the piece.
I can't tell them to be one or the other.
We're not members of the committee, so we don't know if we have any.
I mean, the committee doesn't tell us, which is a crime.
It is a crime.
Good God, I mean, not one of those three other consultants.
Our choice is unbelievable.
I have to talk to the little boy who comes to this, who we don't even disclose to us.
I don't know what to say.
I think it's shocking.
Sure, it's shocking.
But I'll tell you, you're going to have to keep a long memory on this one.
Yes, sir.
About a lot of people who are away.
Oh, God.
It's always that way.
Times of travail, they really pop up.
We have more than our share of less than problems.
We knew.
Whenever we saw them, they were that way in Cambodia.
They were running for campaign bills.
They were that way in December.
Oh, God.
December.
They did all that.
December.
They did all that.
December.
Why would they be any different now?
No, I guess not.
Maybe they wonder.
But we're going to look at them.
And a lot of them have turned back already because they sense that, you know, that can be the action, that you're exactly right.
They would have gone along with this, hell or high water.
If they could have tumbled you, they wouldn't.
There isn't anything that would have deterred you.
They just don't get into the facts with them.
So it turns out to be a liar.
Why shouldn't they even postpone it to New York?
Like how the air is on late on Monday after the game's in.
They will probably try to defer.
That's right.
They may defer, but it's so bad.
You better be ready for that.
That's right, you know.
What does the situation have to do with the fact that these names are so bad that the committee called it embarrassing for him to come out on the summit?
Do you expect that to be the story of the meeting?
I don't think so.
Why not?
Because I don't think he has anything to do with it.
Oh, I know.
I know.
Won't they say that?
I don't think so.
I don't think so either.
I'll tell you why.
A, if they postpone it because, and I hear he's right, that they...
realize he got himself into this.
To add more to that dilemma, which they're going to face as soon as he does testify.
In other words, to build up this key witness, this guy who's going to shatter the presidency.
You know, it complicates the very problem that's predicating our assessment in the first place.
Why did they quit?
Why did they not go on?
They didn't go on because they didn't think
The criticism they've taken was worth the gain for what they've suggested, in fact, deciding.
So now to build them up again, they have to do it with great grace.
What do you think?
I don't think that that will be the story, Mark.
What do you think, sir?
They were patrons.
No, I don't think there'll be that much focus on the very analysis of it.
There were two stories, and one conflicted with me.
So we had a leader here running under the ground.
The first time a leader has ever walked the troops and saw a crowd with so many flags and brokering and went over to shake hands with them.
I thought they were one time up on the carpet, you know, which is always a very impressive scene.
He leaned over to start talking to you and I thought, oh no, he's going to kiss the bridegroom on the cheek.
No, no.
But, uh, I thought, I don't see speech in that.
I don't see how there was really rain coming out of it.
Positive.
God, that's a, that's a historic, that was historic out there.
That was a terrible tool.
Sure, that's what they, that's what the media wanted to kill those bastards out there that they collected out there.
They hated them.
Not all of them, but a lot of them did.
They killed them.
Even though they hated them, they were not being impressed by them.
They were.
Were they?
And they're gonna be impressed this week, too.
Actually, I guess this is the best.
I don't want to put a shine on every thing that develops.
But if you look at this week now, this week you'll run clear and away with the signing tomorrow.
The president, if he comes back from the signing, I bet you he'd walk with him.
What's that?
Come back?
The signings?
Yeah, the signings in the morning so there'd be good coverage of that, right?
Yeah.
I'll take him over.
Pick them up.
And we got Wednesday at Camp David with a little mystique with some great pictures.
See, Doc, the picture in Florida proved a very good point to us.
If you take a distance shot right out, it has a little mystique in it.
That picture of me and Kissinger sitting there in those chairs around on the front page of every newspaper in the country, we'll get that type of thing up at Camp David and, you know, distance walking together and so forth.
She could.
Brief a little up there.
Thursday a big day.
Friday a big day.
Saturday a big day.
Sunday a big day.
See, Saturday... Oh, here we go.
Saturday you have to talk the head to head.
And you can get some beauty out of it.
Beauty.
Well, you don't want to laugh.
What?
Well, okay, good.
That'd be great.
But the great thing about saying Khomeini is coming off with a Friday announcement anticipating the communique piece.
Communique will be Monday.
That's right.
But Saturday, for Sunday papers, Saturday night he gives a speech.
He's on television.
Is it Sunday or Sunday?
Oh, that's it.
That's it.
He's on television.
Is it Sunday or Sunday?
No, Saturday.
Saturday night.
Or is it Sunday?
It plays on Sunday.
It plays on Sunday.
It plays on Sunday.
We don't want to hear it Sunday night.
But Saturday for Sunday morning papers, you see, and so forth, you've got the walk and the... Well, yes, yes, yes.
I'm not sure.
I mean, you need to take it one way or the other.
That's very good.
That's all I know, but after a week...
But you see, the thing, all of us, the Thursday thing would be great for the public and private.
All of them.
Today was great in the online meetings.
public impression, public input.
Thursday would be good.
Friday would be good.
Saturday would be good.
After the Friday thing, particularly, and I don't want to sound like I'm pushing this, but I do think it, get a picture of the President of the United States in Brezhnev, down amongst, you know, walking into the distance.
The President of the United States in Brezhnev.
The President of the United States in Brezhnev.
He's on TV Monday night, Sunday night, Monday day.
I think in a way, maybe from our own standpoint, we've got to have control over it.
The advantage of having Dean go on would have been very detrimental to the committee.
That's the reason we would have liked to have him go on.
Very true.
But, on the other hand, they have a massive assault on the President.
Well, Russia is here, it's just not good for the country, too.
It's not good.
And, hell, we may as well have a run of a decent period of a week, but it didn't come on.
It means our question about the strategy changes.
It does, but you'll be out there for two weeks.
I don't see.
The thing is, it's building.
Everything is building.
Here, wherever that creek puts out, you're going to be in a stronger position now.
So it's good you're on this kind of point there, especially at the end of that nuclear answer.
You see, you wouldn't have had the benefit of that, but it could have caught up on the whole thing.
It's really, the worst part of this is the loss to the committee, what we could have done to them for doing it.
That's right.
I would.
But as far as Dean is concerned, I think in many respects there are as many pros as there are cons.
You'll be stronger next week.
All those accomplishments by any people just don't linger.
Do you want to share that with me next time?
I think so.
We talked about that in Florida.
I think it's right.
Pretty much at the end.
But I mean, you'd come next year.
Of course, you'd be stronger.
Well, I think we're dealing with reality.
As we said yesterday in Florida, we aim both ways.
We'll be in a good, you can argue in either way.
My gut reaction was, and that's why I think we're a little, feel a little let down now, which may be distorting our point of view, is that it would have been great to nut the committee.
This has happened.
I still think we're, you could argue it and I believe it, but
Coming off of a stroke, someone let him go, and you have the very effect that Al's referring to.
No question about it.
I was just surprised by what happened.
No, you predicted that before.
They must have got some heat up there.
They did.
They had terrible heat.
And what they got from being over the weekend didn't make it work.
You don't think so?
Well, that's what he thinks, but he doesn't really know.
He's talking to him, but, you know, he thinks he knows, but I don't know.
I think he knows.
He had too many surprises.
Since the warmest thing we ever had surprised, the warmest thing he brought us all home, I'll say it again.
It was an unfortunate set of circumstances, but, my God, he's
We've balanced that and we've coped with it.
As Walter said, it's going to be at the lock box in two weeks.
It's already being discussed.
It's not even an issue.
I mean, I just didn't think that Dean, in addition to slashing out of all Americans, what I'm expecting so far, is quite a dimension.
It's a great to hear that.
Mitchell has always sort of defended Dean.
My feeling is this, it's always been my feeling, that Mitchell is the bubble that gives Dean and makes him want to hold that thing.
That is, I'm ashamed to say, I hope to God, no, but I have a feeling that that's very, and that's Bazar's conclusion, I think.
Although he hopes to God it's not true either.
But he's also, including the other people, he's taking on Dick Moore.
He's cutting the hell out of him.
More, of course, is a virtue than his father, confessor, or friend.
But Moore, I think the reason Dean's cutting him is that Moore can slash him to pieces on this.
and then we all sat in here after that meeting, and Moore went to him and said, you ought to go talk to the president.
Understand?
On the front desk.
Moore has got him in the hair, sure.
Or Dean.
Dean would go after other people.
For sure.
Yes, he will, won't he?
There's another week to find out what he's going to go after.
Doesn't follow the strategy, but my God, that's been the problem here.
Having this thing hang out there all the time.
Every weekend, this week, we get the stories.
It's a fear before the committee that leads up to today.
It goes out of hand with those committees.
We're not going to come down on this side.
I feel it about others.
Well, they are.
There's some people I have been attacking for weeks.
I'm sort of a lonely voice, but he hadn't missed a day.
He'd be talking up to someone or talking down to areas in every piece he'd written.
I was afraid I'd get canceled or anything.
No, I think what happened here is that they looked at this thing, and I don't know what they thought, but whatever they had, they would have been in a very, very bad position to go over here at the time of this time.
They don't think about all of that.
It's just, I don't think you can really judge whether they have something or not.
Although my guess is, Irvin being a partisan, is that he would have put anything out if he thought it would hurt his son.
And they thought it would be conclusive.
I think they were pressed ahead.
The reason is that they would not have waited so long to cancel.
They had intended to go.
I think they found out this weekend that, my God, this is a very nice customer.
So then those pressures, which had been building, they decided that they couldn't ride out.
They certainly must have known.
They must have made that decision sometime last week to go ahead this week.
Because they made a conscious decision to cancel Monday here this Friday.
Did they?
Yeah, they made a decision to go Tuesday.
That's right.
They thought it all through.
That's right.
So it had to be related to what they got this weekend from Dean.
So I'm impressed.
Gives them the chance, hell, to dribble out their Dean story every day of this week and sort of poison them for a week, right?
Well, that's better than, I don't know.
That's right, but they, that would have, they would have done that, you know, before it was added.
I think it's just best for us to also, we have to play it either way.
We have to play it either way.
for us to just go forward and do our job, which we've been doing.
That's right.
They've all come off a good week, we hope, and have them go on with their damn politics.
Right?
And we'll be in California.
We'll have a great shot next week, that's the thing.
But listen, you see, we'll be gone.
Well, no competition with them.
I don't know how the hell we can.
That's our problem.
You couldn't.
You couldn't charge.
That's what's just going around my mind.
He has three days.
You've got three and a half years.
Huh?
Do what?
Come on.
Kill me.
That's it.
And that is to get the facts out.
The facts.
See how these comments imitate?
It just bears a point.
You know, some guy sitting around here, it's like that record.
Some of these people seem to be lifeless.
False.
You know.
Kill us.
You have to keep killing us.
Obviously, remain indiscredited in his character.
Speak for yourself.
Well, any time.
The three days, he'll have his three days, and that'll be that.
He'll go on to other things.
Discredited.
Yes, it is being done.
Okay.
Well, Bill Sapphire.
But I like it.
I like it.
It's better than nothing.
A hell of a lot better than Richard Lasky, I would say.
The discrediting of Dean is taking place below the surface at this point, and oftentimes... Below the surface, yes, sir.
And I oftentimes think that's the best way for things to set in.
Because then when it sets in, everyone...
has a sense, and I've talked to, talked about this before, when he gets up there and what they suspect and what they feel, if that is pay off, then that's when it'll really take hold.
Am I wrong?
In just a few days, it's coming.
That's true.
If Bazaar is able to bring this money story over to him, it'll be pretty good.
It'll be very good.
Very good.
Then from the bid, it pops off.
Fred told me that it was late.
I don't think so.
$1,000 to put it back, though, he said.
I didn't think it was more than $15,000.
$15,000, something like that.
Colson took that?
See, the reason Colson is aware of all this is that the $22,000 would have gone.
The neighbors had ads.
They didn't use all of it, they only put in two ads.
They covered, at least you could tell, $17,000, $15,000.
Strong didn't know what to do with it.
They tried to return it to Strong, and Strong said they couldn't pay him.
So, they didn't charge him.
$15,000.
Now, he
Could have paid $15,000 for the purpose of paying the Office of Defense, right?
Taking close to $15,000 for the purpose of my payment.
But they think that at least, at least, I don't know if it's ours, but it's on trade, it would be affecting the amount of money taking $40,000.
Who knows how many?
Hmm?
I think it's gotten out.
That man will be healed.
I don't know before I testify.
And people who would feel feverish is something that really hasn't appeared.
Going down the road, Colson or Mitchell or, you know, not feverish.
Do something, maybe just kind of
He thinks he's going to get out tonight.
He thinks he's going to get out tonight?
Yeah.
This story?
Yeah.
At least the $4,000.
But he's trying to get the whole thing.
He's going up to see Dash.
He's going to demand that Dash subpoena the people who need his bank records.
Well, you don't mean when you say get it out, get it out to the press?
Yes, I do.
Good.
You know, you've got to say though, the old man kind of said to the children,
He was very much into that crowd, and I had to do a thing.
He reminds me a lot of an Irish Catholic butcher who was right next to our neighbor when I was a kid.
And when he walked up, and I saw him over there, there were a lot of them.
That guy was familiar to me, but when I saw him, I didn't know him.
It was very good talking to him.
Oh, it was beautiful, Tina.
When he walked into that crowd, shaking hands with the kids,
The Thursday thing would be great for the public impression.
That's very good.
I don't remember after a week
But you see the thing, all of them, today was great in a convoy meeting, public impression, public input.
Thursday would be good, Friday would be good, Saturday would be good, after the Friday thing, particularly, and I don't want to sound like I'm pushing this, but I do think
Get a picture of the President of the United States in Brezhnev.
Down amongst, you know, walking into the distance.
And you ought to get a picture of him with his two children.
He's on TV Monday night.
The Sunday night, Monday.
Because that looks like the time when the other parents didn't show up.
I think in a way.
Monday night, Sunday night, Monday.
I think in a way.
We've got to have no control over it.
That's the reason we would have liked to have you on.
That's the reason we would have liked to have you on.
But, on the other hand, they have a massive assault on the prison.
Well, brushing of his hair is just not good.
On the other hand, they have a massive assault on the prison.
Well, brushing of his hair is just not good for the country, the country, the country.
Justice is a bit of a cut.
It's not good.
And, hell, we may as well have a, have a run for the, a decent, uh, courthouse.
Justice is a bit of a cut.
It's not good.
And, hell, we may as well have a, have a run for the, a decent, uh, civil week, uh,
The thing is, it's building.
Everything is building.
The thing is, it's here.
Wherever that creep puts a building at, you're going to be in a stronger position now.
So it's good to be on a discount for me there.
Everything is building here.
Wherever that creep puts at, you're going to be in a stronger position now.
So it's good to be on a discount for me there.
So it's good to be on a discount for me there.
especially at the end of the...
It's really clear.
The worst part of this is the loss to the committee of what we could have done to them for doing it.
See, you wouldn't have had the benefit of that, but it could have caught up with them.
It's really, the worst part of this is the loss to the committee of what we could have done to them for doing it.
But as far as Dean is concerned, I think in many respects there are cons.
You'll be stronger next week.
Cons.
All those accomplishments behind these people just don't want to hear.
You'll be stronger next week.
Well, I think we're dealing with reality.
As we said yesterday in Florida, we aim both ways.
You can argue it either way.
Well, I think we're dealing with reality.
As we said yesterday in Florida, my gut reaction was, and that's why I think we feel a little let down now, which may be distorting our point of view, is that it would have been great to
We've gained both ways.
We'll be in a good, you can argue in either way.
My gut reaction was, and not the committee, this has happened.
I still think we're, you could argue it and I believe it, but coming off of it, that's why I think we're a little, feel a little let down now, which may be starting our point of view, as far as that it would have been great if, not the committee, where someone let him go and you have the very effect that Al's referring to.
This has happened.
I still think we're...
I was surprised.
...arguing, and I believe it, that coming off of a stroke... No, you predicted that before.
If he... Or someone let him go, and you have the very effect that Al's referring to.
No question about it.
They must have got some heat up there.
They did.
They had terrible heat.
and what they got from the...
I was just surprised by what happened, but how did it get here?
You know, you predicted that before.
You didn't think they'd take the heat over the weekend to make it work?
You don't think so?
You're saying that... Well, that's what he thinks.
That's what we know.
They must have got some heat up there.
They did.
They had terrible heat.
He's talking to them, but you know, he's facing them.
And what they got from being over the weekend and making it work.
You don't think so?
Well, that's what he thinks, but he doesn't really know.
He's talking to them, but you know, he thinks he knows.
I can tell.
I want to know if he knows.
He had too many surprises.
I want to know if he knows.
He had too many surprises.
Since the warmest thing we ever had since the warmest thing we ever had since the warmest thing we ever had since the warmest thing we ever had since the warmest thing we ever had
I should note that all Americans might expect and so forth is quite an action.
It's probably an interesting thing that Dean, in addition to slashing out of all of our connections and so forth, is...
I'm afraid to hear you.
Mitchell is always sort of defending Dean.
My feeling is this.
I'm afraid to hear you.
But Mitchell...
Because it's above all else.
Come on.
Mitchell is always... My...
I hope to God, no.
I have a lot of... And that was our conclusion.
I hope to God.
It's above all else.
But he's also including the other people who are speaking on it.
Dick Moore is cutting the hell out of him.
Is that what you're saying?
That is what I'm saying.
I hope to God, no, but I have a feeling that that's not fair at all.
Or that the first question is virtually the conclusion of him.
Although he hopes to God it's not true either.
But this is very wrong.
But he's also including the other people he's taking on as Dick Moore.
He's cutting the hell out of him.
Is that what the reserve said?
Now, Moore, of course, is a virtue than his father, confessor, friend, everything.
But Moore, I think his father, confessor, friend, everything.
The reason Dean's cutting him is that Moore...
But Moore, I think the reason Dean's cutting him...
Slash a number of pieces on this.
It's sort of a feeling that it's on the 20th.
I mean, when we all sat in here.
It's more of an exclamation of the pieces on this.
It's sort of a feeling that it's on the 20th.
I mean, more of it to him and said, you ought to go talk to the President.
Kind of a shame.
On the 23rd.
More has got him in the hair, sure.
When we all sat in here after that meeting.
And more of it to him and said, you ought to go talk to the President.
Kind of a shame.
Or Dean.
Dean will go after all the people.
Mortar's got him where the hair is short.
Or Dean.
Or Dean.
Because he will.
Dean will go after all the people.
Oh, sure.
Now let's handle that.
Pretend to...
Yes, he will, Woody.
But we need to find out what he's gonna go after, doesn't he?
Follow the strategy, but my God, that's been the problem here, having this thing.
Now let's handle that.
Pretend to...
Every weekend is a week with weekend stories.
There's another week to find out what he's going to be coming up with, doesn't he?
He knows I'm going to be in trouble.
They're not going to come in on this.
I'm not worried about others.
What they've done.
They're not going to come in on this.
I'm not worried about others.
There's some people I have been attacking, but they are.
There's some people I have been attacking, but they are.
There's some people I have been attacking, but they are.
There's some people I have been attacking, but they are.
Some lonely boy here is in every PC room.
Let's put him in.
Let's do that again.
Let's do that again.
Let's do that again.
Let's do that again.
Let's do that again.
Let's do that again.
Let's do that again.
Let's do that again.
Let's do that again.
No, I think what happened here is that they were there.
They looked at this thing.
I don't know what they had.
They were in a very, very bad position.
No, I think what happened here at the time, this time, is that they looked at all of them and just looked at this thing.
I don't know what they had, but whatever they had,
I don't think we can really judge whether they have something or not.
Although my guess is that it's Irving.
But any part of it is Irving.
I don't know if he thought it would hurt or something.
And they thought it would be conclusive.
I think they were pressed ahead.
And they thought it would be really conclusive.
They would not have waited so long.
I think they were pressed ahead.
The reason is the cancer.
They had intended to go.
I think they found it.
They would not have waited so long.
My God, this is a big, big problem.
They had intended to go, I think they found out this weekend.
So when those pressures which had been building, they decided that they couldn't ride out.
They certainly must have known.
So when those pressures which had been building, they decided that they couldn't ride out.
They must have made that decision sometime last week to go ahead this week.
Because if they made a conscious decision to cancel Monday here, they certainly must have known.
They must have made that decision sometime last week to go ahead this week.
Could they?
I'm sure.
Yeah, they've made the decision to go Tuesday.
I'm sure.
They've thought about it.
Yeah, I'm sure.
If they made a conscious decision to cancel Monday here, it's trying.
Could they?
I'm sure.
So it had to be related to what they got the sweet hint to be.
Yeah, they've made decisions.
That's right.
They thought it all through.
That's right.
So it had to be related to what they got the sweet hint to be.
Sort of impression.
Give them a chance, Al, to dribble up.
Sort of impression.
Isn't the chance to tell them about their Dean story every day of this week dribbly and sort of poison them for a week, right?
I don't know if that's better than that.
That's right, if they tell their Dean story every day of this week and sort of poison them for a week, right?
I don't know if that's better than that.
David would have known that.
That's right, if they...
That would, that would be best for us.
David would have known then.
Now, we have all sorted.
We never played it either way.
We have four to then.
We play it, we play it.
For us to just go forward and do our job, which we've been doing.
It's just best for us that we have all sorted.
We have all sorted.
We never played it off, but good week, we hope.
And have it either way.
We have to play it, we play it.
go on with their damn politics, right?
For us to just go forward and do our job, which we've been doing, and we'll be in California.
They've all come off a good week, we hope, and have them go on with their damn politics, right?
And we'll be in California.
No competition.
Yeah.
You couldn't.
You couldn't charge.
That's a problem.
That's what's just going around my mind.
He has three days.
You've got three and a half years.
You couldn't.
You couldn't charge.
That's what's just going around my mind.
He has three days.
Do what?
You've got three and a half years.
Kill me.
That's it.
And that is together.
In other words, get fat.
Do what?
Come on.
Kill me.
That's it.
That just bears a point.
You know, some guy sitting around here.
And that is together.
It's like that record.
That's it.
That's it.
That's it.
That's it.
That's it.
That's it.
You know, Kellerson, you know, so, yeah, she does.
You've got a guy sitting around here, but it's like, obviously, we may have a court, you know, or some of these people seem to be enlightened and discredited in his character.
Speak for yourself.
Well, any of that is garbage.
False.
That 30 days, you'll have this 30 days, you know.
Kellerson, yeah, she does.
That'll be that one.
and discredited in his inheritance.
Speak for yourself.
Discredited.
Well, any of that, the three days.
Yes, it is being done.
Okay.
Well, don't set fire to us.
You'll have the three days, and that'll be that.
You can go on to other things.
I like it.
It's better than nothing.
It's a hell of a lot better than Rachel Astley, I would say.
Yeah, it is being done.
The discrediting of Dean is taking place.
Bill Sapphire, who else?
You're below the surface at this point, and oftentimes... Below the surface, yes, sir.
And oftentimes, you don't think there's much weight on it.
I think that's the best way to back our talk about it.
No.
There are other things to set in.
Yeah.
I like it.
I like it.
It's better than nothing.
When it sets in, everyone has a sense, and I've talked to, talked about this before.
A lot better.
When he gets up there and...
They're relaxing, I would say.
Yeah.
and what they suspect and what they...
The discrediting of Dean is taking place.
If you let those pay off, then that's one of the things we take on.
Below the surface at this point, and oftentimes... Below the surface, yes, sir.
Am I wrong?
In just a few days of discrediting, that's true.
If Bazaar is able to break this money story over...
I oftentimes think that's the best way...
It is.
...of things to set in.
Yes, sir.
Because then when it sets in, everyone has to be very sensitive.
And I've talked to everyone.
It can be very, very different from the way it comes out.
Fred told me that it was nice to talk about this before.
When he gets up there and what they suspect and what they feel, if that is pay off, he thinks about it.
Then once he puts it back up, he says,
And that's one of the things that we take hold of.
Am I wrong on that?
Yes.
I think it's a few days, but this kind of thing is more than just $15,000.
I think it's true.
If it was up to $15,000, it's like that.
I was able to bring this... Colson takes that?
Money started over its head.
See, the reason Colson is aware of all this is that the $22,000 would have gone...
I'd be pretty good with it.
I've got big papers and ads.
Very good.
Very good.
I did that for the bid.
It pops off.
Fred told me that.
He was like, that's fine.
He was on with it.
I didn't think so, but.
$1,000.
Put it back, though, he said.
Put it back.
I didn't think it was worth it.
He said $10,000.
$10,000, just like that.
The reason Colson is aware of all this is that the $22,000 would have gone to neighbors and dads.
They didn't use all of it, including two dads.
They cowered, at least because of the future, including two dads.
They cowered, at least because of the future, including two dads.
Strom didn't know what to do with any Strom.
He could have paid $15,000 for the purpose of taking off his defense.
Now, he
Could have paid $15,000 for the purpose of paying off his debt.
It could have been close to $15,000.
But they think that at least, right, it could have been close to $15,000.
At least, I don't know what it is.
I don't know what it is.
I don't know what it is.
I don't know what it is.
I don't know what it is.
I don't know what it is.
I don't know what it is.
I think, uh, at least, at least the second that man's got now, that man will be a beast.
I don't know if it's ours or if it's on the trail.
If I could be a man, it would take me $4,000.
I've never heard of $4,000, I testify.
$4,000?
Hmm?
I guess people, people with a field fever is...
I could have managed to get something that really has a computer.
Not now.
In fact, maybe it would be huge.
I'm going to have to hurry.
Colson or Mitchell or...
I don't know, Ford.
I don't know.
I guess it's fine.
It's a secret.
I'm going to have to do something that really has a computer.
Yeah, people...
It's hard to get anything out.
He's just going to get out tonight.
He would feel feverish or something.
It really isn't here.
He thinks he's going to get out tonight.
Yeah.
That still works?
Yeah.
On the fourth of, yeah, at least the $4,000.
He's going down in a hurry.
Colson, or he's trying to get the whole thing, or Mitchell, or, you know.
He's going up to see Dash, and he's going to demand that Dash, uh, subpoena Deeper Dean's bank records.
Well, you don't need one of these.
And you're going to have to get it out to the press.
I don't need one of these guys.
I'm sorry to get the main thing out, but I don't know where I want it.
He's going to get it out tonight.
I'm sorry.
You're going to have to get it out tonight.
Colson said it already.
He claims he got it out, but... No, don't discredit him.
I know, I know.
And he said, he thinks he's going to get off tonight.
Yeah.
That's the worst I could see.
Then my wife got on a visit to him.
He has a parent on the way.
Grow up.
At least the $4,000.
Call this thing off.
He's trying to get the whole thing.
He's going to see the actions of the man.
You don't mean when you sing it, it's hard to get it out to the crowd.
That's what I mean.
It's hard to get it out to the crowd.
It's hard to get it out to the crowd.
It reminds me a lot of an Irish Catholic butcher who's close to the church and already claims to have gotten out.
God, no, that's right next door neighbor.
It was discreditive, I don't know.
I saw him over there, there were a lot of them.
He said exactly the same thing.
He looked at me, but when I saw him, I didn't know where I was.
My point is that he has a very good way.
It's very good talking.
Oh, it was beautiful.
You know, when he opened that crowd and changed the world, and to the kids, all that judgment, called us in on it.
It was damn impressive.
You know, you've got to say, though, the old man's part of the show is, he's really plugged into that crowd, and I need to do a thing.
He reminds me of Irish Cassidy.
He was my next door neighbor when I was a kid.
And when people got in, I saw him over there.
They were in love, and that got much familiar to me.
But when I saw him, it was very good.
I told him, oh, it was beautiful.
And when he walked in front of the crowd, shaking hands with the kids, all that, it was a damn impressive ceremony.
It really was.