Nixon, Colson & Scali on Vietnam War and Press relations

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Yes, Mr. President, I have Mr. Colton for you.

Go ahead, please.

Hello.

I think it's going really well, Mr. President.

Right on target.

Jerry 1, I don't know if you've had any reports, but I don't have.

According to the vehicle tab, he just showed you how important it is.

Go ahead.

I think that Henry 1 will never be with us, but he will be with us at any moment.

They were giving us their home flag and stuff, but I don't really get it.

But, uh, we're, uh, I think they were, uh, heading to the park with, uh,

And we spent about an hour getting going over quietly, expecting to ask a question, and I agreed.

And I picked up what I was getting.

You're not, you're not.

By the way, we got two of them.

We had to be there in 30 seconds to make it in.

Yeah.

And we're getting the best of them.

We're getting more security than in March.

You can tell, I mean, during Nate's announcement that the

President of the United States announced that one of the negotiations between history and predictor, on Tuesday, November 3rd, on January 8th, that's supposed to make for the two-thousandth of January, that's supposed to be very low, very low, very low, very low, very low, very low, very low, very low, very low, very low, very low, very low, very low, very low, very low, very low, very low,

The next question, what do you see?

We could be on hold for the bombing in North Vietnam, and Jerry, if that's the question, sort of, but our bombing will be just as long as the 20th parallel, as long as serious negotiations are underway.

That's somebody that's smart enough to say that you say serious negotiations.

Yeah, serious, yes, serious negotiations.

But then on, they've got to be head to the right.

The only thing they can try to pull out of is this next to the road.

Well, I mean, what do you do on a flat roof?

I mean, it was worth it.

It was very, very good.

How would it put their operations?

I would just say that the order has gone out.

The order has finished.

And if any other questions, that's all right.

I think the answer to which I know you're left with, but I don't even have enough time to be calm.

Oh, I know I've been on the phone with you.

It's kind of clocking dead.

Henry isn't here.

If Henry isn't here, he's just going up the wall.

Do you want to do it or do you want to do it?

No, he told me.

I was just trying to let you calm down.

Well, what did I say to you?

Um, she doesn't know anything.

No, she doesn't.

I don't think she knows you know about it.

No, you knew I was, uh... No, I didn't know you were talking to Kelly or me.

Uh, Kelly would be talking about what's going on, too, but it's a problem.

The question was, uh, mechanically, can you tell us if these initiatives are going to be used in the stories that are in Mr. Warren?

No, I cannot.

Can you tell us whether or not they came about through the form of a message that that particular year included as a forecast when they got, uh,

We will remain in contact with MSP after it begins to leave the flight, whether it lands in Indiana or is it a mutual flight.

No, no, no.

That's it.

I don't know.

And there's always an 8-footer.

And there's a lot of them.

No, but I don't mean anything like that.

No, Jim just, anyone, for the first time, reading his character, which is quite brief.

And there is where Jerry was very, in my experience, quick.

When he had made his point, there wasn't anything else to be heard.

He quick.

He did it very well.

And, you know, according to that question out of the kids here, we think, honestly, number 68, that's perfect, because of...

We're very well balanced, and I've got the remote here with me.

That was the idea in the first place, that we would be able to change your messages, and they, you know, need to, you know, have the same treatment with food.

I mean, they could do that, but we will need a chance, but we will have to meet, kind of, a food that is worthy of the food, and then we'll be able to get it back.

Yeah.

Perfect.

Yeah, I will.

It's just going to be a nice meeting between us.

I know.

Right on.

Oh, I mean, I'll tell you, we'll just follow through.

We'll tell you in a little bit, morning or evening.

But Henry, maybe he's really trying to get you down, or maybe he realizes that Johnny isn't there and knows about this, and so he's going to throw it.

Well, he was used to it.

He's such a good guy, and I don't think he's going to take any report as well.

So, you know, the question is if I'm going to pay no god damn attention to that.

So, there's a story coming out of, you know, Henry, of course, but the trouble with Henry is he gets terribly upset if anybody else throws him.

Sure.

Yeah, here's a story at a time of Brian's vacationing in the cattle point.

He does his business for a very good nature.

The funny is, a week away from the label of Westbrook, fooling his mind, just driving the three-seller away with his own kids to say that he's not just doing this, but that the poor man is on his own.

uh uh

And Kelly and I both thought it would be an excellent idea because it would make the radio story this weekend.

And Jerry had been busy including the audio to the bombing and stuff.

And I was like, no, he took it.

Oh, they will.

Oh, hell yeah.

They'll never make the radio and it'll be playing live when we end it.

Sure will.

Very good.

I don't think you should either.

I'm sorry you have to get jiggered.

I want to keep you jiggered.

I'm out of the play for a week.

I need to get jiggered.

Well, I'm going to jury get jiggered.

Or, no, no, kiss me get jiggered.

I'm going to get jiggered for a little while.

Oh, all right.

It's all right.

We'll go ahead and do it.

I know you have to get jiggered.

If you do, you get jiggered.

Oh, there he is.

There he is, a monotone.

And he just goes out to eat.

and there's going to be a long interpretive Tuesday till weekend.

He is not going to do what he promised John.

He was not going to do what any White House official said he was going to do, John.

And Henry's a great guy.

He'll play it up.

He's really, really good.

Do you know how many times you've talked to him?

I don't know.

How many times?

I don't know.

I'm sorry.

You've got to accept it.

Yeah, that's all good.

And I believe that we're always going to be sure to pull the rug out of the critics who said I'd like to be watching their faces now, and

And then he said, uh, he said, I won't tell you that he's going to wait out here.

He's got to get in the line about the station.

It's very unruffled.

And he said, well, I'd like to feel it wait out here.

And I said, no, you can't do that.

Oh, no, no.

The wires are fine, I think.

The wires are fine.

It's very, very good.

I came on the route to which, reportedly, was the first station for 31.

And there's not a good chance that I would be able to get in front of the plane.

I think that'll get him in the lead.

Yeah, it's a good lead.

It's a good lead, and he's trying to get in the way.

He's trying to get in the way, and that's the argument that we talked about.

When I do it 10 minutes ago, he'd only been able to get through it.

I'm trying to get him in the way, and he's trying to get in the way.

I don't know what I'd do.

I'd just get him in the way.

I don't know what I'd do.

and he feels that he's just the right kind of guy.

He knows around about the business of the investment.

He says he's got it underway.

When I told Henry about that, Henry said maybe he's going to ask me about it.

I know about that.

I don't think I'm going to ask him about that.

He hasn't told anybody else, but he promised me when I hung up the phone the last time, he promised me that he would immediately get on the telephone and to see if

I know I gave him a name before, but I don't know.

I don't know what it is.

I don't know.

Oh my god, that's what you get.

I'm not sure.

I could see it kind of building, of course.

You know, the YouTube pictures, the Times, the Post, all the Posts.

The Post really goes all out with the Times.

I don't know what to do.

Well, we'll back off.

They'll be scared to death right now.

That's it.

Actually, no, you know, I know you can see it.

He, uh, uh, he's confident.

He's confident we are.

But they will probably make the most of it.

I don't know what the plan is.

But that's it.

That's it.

Do you remember November, I mean, the May 8th improvement?

Jesus, what a crumbly day for it.

I was critical of that.

Do you remember how they were all, you know, the other side was just chomping all over it, and then the public came behind it, which is what they're going to do this time.

Oh, I don't know what they're going to do this time.

I don't care.

It's just the idea that it's worth the price down here.

I think we kind of have to build up to it at the next time.

After the fact that it came down to Christ, they were damned in the flood.

It was just kind of because of that.

If it had ever looked out, then they would have been pointing to the distance.

And it was just a reaction to the protest.

It wasn't a single question.

It was just a reaction to the protest.

If it had ever looked out, then they would have been pointing to the distance.

You've never reacted to the domestic purchase before.

If I get up to that November 3rd, 69, and they're speaking the way you are, you wouldn't go down and be able to sign on the ferry.

No, you'd never, you wouldn't go down like that.

Come on, you want to find out.

You can get me a little way down.

I'll see you at 1260 and Coral Lake and see how, right how they got along.

And that's how they got along.

And you might feel that I don't want to get bothered.

If you ever go around a little bit too much of that car, you might be able to look to your head and say, you're the only one who is before maybe some of the carloading.

I would suggest to let me know whether you can check them off.

Yep.

I'll do that.

You know, all the...

Right.

Uh, uh, big pier point, big development, and I wonder what this pier will do.

Very, very unbelievable.

Uh, let's see, let's let each other know what we're going to do next.

We've got a long way to go from, uh, D.C. We're going to do that.

We're going to do it right over there.

I'm going to talk to him later.

Right.

I can't hear you.

I see a break.

That's where they go, that's true.

You've got those letters in a few letters out here.

Nope, it's just the number here.

How did, uh, how did, how did you handle it?

Because it's a, uh, Jerry, how Jerry, you know, is a great guy, and I am, uh, and Henry's always running him down, and I, you know, I've got a husband who's 10 of these years older than me.

How'd he do?

I thought he handled himself very well.

And I just told that to Henry when Henry called from, uh, out west.

And I said, I thought Jay handled it superbly.

And what, uh, we have no second thoughts or doubts about it.

Yeah.

are you going to do it anyway?

Or I like it.

But after all, I'll say, what do you say about the question of the time?

All you have to do is leave that December 15 background, and it's very clear that we wouldn't be able to get back to where we are.

He was at home, he said, my God, he said, I'm coming right in right now to do a great

uh, to him, uh, without attribution, you know, uh, how I, uh, thought that the president's doing in a particular few days, but I've been, uh, calm and unruffled, and that, uh, the other two that we go back with want to worry him.

that we are quite willing to be very serious, and we hope that the other drivers are going to be as serious as that driver.

So there are no starlight options on our team.

That's just very good.

Now, I'll also finish talking with Joe Hill, who is an absolutely fantastic driver.

But because he had the case about four days ago in which he predicted that the bombing policy would force the North Japanese back to the conference table.

So I think that, you know, he himself was, I don't know if he was, I don't know what he was, but he was.

I've also talked about your plan, and I told him that you can't attribute this to a White House official and the penalty of getting John Scala killed.

Because John Scala is one of the few people who knows these

any of this, and it'll be pushed back in here very quickly, but that's bad.

If they've just gone back and looked at that December 16th thing, then it'd be very clear that what's the decisive element here was not domestic protest.

I think the president is not one who is plagued by that when he believes that the course that he has taken is going to be like that for all the people.

But it would have to be in the nature of a good, clear signal from Illinois that they're going to negotiate it.

What's the president say about that?

He's calm and unruh.

And I said, and we can say only that people who have seen him report that.

But the other has to be your own interpretation.

And that's the way to do it.

Now, the only one I haven't touched yet is the fellow guy who's coming into the home.

I talked to him very briefly there.

But he's coming into the White House.

And he's going to handle it for the MBC tonight.

And they have Pete Hackett in here.

I thought I had talked to him at some length.

He said he wants to

Well, because he sees that there's a major development, which answers the critics of the politics.

I thought most of them would be for the critics, but, well, if you look at the graphics, it's just crazy.

We've had some crimes that were better than others.

Some enemies do another thing.

But I think it's up to them a little more.

I think if we start to look at what they're trying to do, if they're going to, you know,

I don't know what you're talking about.

I don't know.

I absolutely agree and I think that Henry is looking out right now for

every little ounce of his negativity.

And I think that you're at a feet on the other hand, Mr. President.

More clearly, Mr. President, exactly what the people should understand about you.

Yeah, you have the idea of you, Mr. President.

We're wary.

We're not any starry-eyed idealists on that.

And we're going into these discussions, you know, fully understanding that we've been dealing with a 50-side.

So that gives us some protection.

But Larry Connors, when I talked with him first, I said it was just unbelievable.

He said that was the last thing he expected on a Saturday morning.

and I both looked into the room, and they were open-minded.

We had a bit of a sudden surprise.

It was a long period, but we were just watching them.

They were very warm, for example.

We were having a lot of reasons to run a test against them.

And when they came very close, they were going to announce that there was going to be another committee on the road the other day.

Look at that.

We just know what to do.

We just know how to do it.

We can fucking stop right at the gun.

And, uh, but we were just on a mission.

We were on a mission.

We were just on a mission.

Well, I made it.

Well, Steve, I believe this part about the announcement today, Mr. President, is that we can face the fact that the May 8th policy is one letter, two positions.

Yes, I've mentioned this one thing at the very end, which is that you don't want to see the people go on a date.

Why doesn't the President, why didn't he do that?

It's a blame.

It's a new policy.

The policy was announced on May 8th.

Then, it was in October, early October, that I...

Even along the way, as long as we're even negotiating that we're on the way and that we will not fall on the low of our budget, as far as the U.S. money is concerned, we'll continue that until an impact is reached.

And then we'll just be really lucky to be there.

And I think that's the part that's to be very aware of.

And people say, it's funny, and it's very much so.

And I think that's the part that's to be very lucky to be there.

I made sure that when he was asked about Henry, that Henry will come back to Washington for the potential discussions with the president.

That's a good point, though, to be clear that this could become another kind of a job, you know, perfectly clear here.

You know, you can get back to any other call.

You know, you can get everybody all the way.

Well, I understand.

I'm going to talk to them.

And, yeah, I'm still waiting to get everything down.

I'm going to talk to them.

I would particularly like you to get me a questionnaire immediately before you get me one.

I will pull one and a half in person.

And get him, he's down here in front of you, please.

Thank you, President.

I don't know.

I'll do that, and I'll do a complete rundown of it, and then, you know, correlate it back to it.

I'll get back to it.

I just hope that they, you know, correlate it.

We'll cover those places and I'll do a good wrap up.

I think Kelly's blinded us right now.

Oh sure, sure.

See what it is?

We're not going to, we're not trying to create an approximation or anything like that, but if you're under presidential charge, we will be here.

I think I like the idea of calling on the rest of the day and having a good time with you.

Yeah, he was very, very excited to be here.

Yeah, here's the deal, that's the best thing I've ever thought of you is being restrained with what you might be trying to do.

You've got to be serious.

You know, you've got to be serious.

You've got to be serious.

I mean, everybody wants to do that, but they've got a contract to do that now.

I know that's going to work for you.

I hope you're walking in the rain right now and you're running with it, being led by a few people there.

I hope they're up there.

I want to get up there, but they're there because they've done this before.

I will.

My own guess is that he won't come.

If it's only you, I don't know.

I will.

Yep, that's right.

If you do know, as you would tell, I would have made that a little bit more of an argument.

I would have made that a little more of an argument.

Okay, so I'm going to just go alcohol, alcohol, alcohol, so it's five minutes down the road.

Nixon, Colson & Scali on Vietnam War and Press relations

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