Nixon, Haldeman & Kissinger on Vietnam War and Military Strategy

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6:30Ok, det har bytt av sted.
6:41Det har bytt av sted.
6:42Det ser ut som om det er kvar.
6:43Er det stående?
6:45Ja, det er stående.
10:13Amen.
10:29Amen.
10:29Be around this evening if you'd like to give me a comment.
10:44I will.
10:45I will.
10:45You do intend to go and do it?
10:46Well, they were never set.
10:50I see.
10:56Let's reflect, sir, on your comments, plus some more.
11:05Thank you, sir.
11:06Thank you, sir.
13:18Hello?
13:29Ja.
13:30Wonder if you have any report on the weather?
13:35Easy.
13:35Easy, easy, easy.
13:46Easy.
13:46Well, that'll be for when we've got some problems at all.
13:58But, uh...
13:58Otherwise, no further reports.
14:06It's night out right now.
14:07Oh yeah, today, of course, it's stormy.
14:07I love the, uh, ground that we've got.
14:10It's a lot of stormy.
14:10No, no projections, I'm sure.
14:11They don't think it's going to break any time now.
14:16You never know.
14:30It starts to clear.
14:31But it does.
14:32All hell breaks loose for it every time you do it once.
14:36You can't blame your lover.
14:37Unless you've done everything right.
14:37The main thing is that I want you to go forward and go on that high path and recruit me every time.
14:43I agree, I agree, but if we're going to be stuck in there too long, we can't be stuck in the mud all the time.
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16:11Well, we can expect them to fly.
16:28They may hit some spaces, but it's the equipment, not for them.
16:29These are brave men.
16:30They're willing to do anything.
16:31And on the other hand, well, how about concentrating on the meat trio?
16:32That's over, isn't it?
16:34Could we, could we just draw more of two of the factories close in to give a massive stride to the D3 area for the next 24 hours?
16:54Can you do that?
16:55Can you power that, please?
16:55And stop this for a second, please.
16:57Fifty trees should be in the center.
16:58Now, what about the fifty trees above?
17:00But, I know, the 52s.
17:15Tell me about the 52s.
17:15Yeah, I know them.
17:16They use the 52s the other place, too.
17:18You give them authority to use it above the DMC, don't you?
17:23All right.
17:23All right.
17:24All right.
17:26Right.
17:26And, uh, but they haven't talked to them yet.
17:27Oh, yeah, they haven't.
17:28That's the question.
17:28That's the question.
17:28Well...
17:29They've got all the authority they need.
17:41And, uh, more, I don't know, depends on that story.
17:44They are.
17:45Okay.
17:45Just pray for the, pray for the goddamn, the weatherman.
17:48Okay.
18:55Boa!
19:04Boa!
19:04Boa!
19:43Teksting av Nicolai Winther
23:31Who can take charge of that sort of thing?
24:01I have an idea.
24:26No, no.
24:26I'll just eat some of that.
24:27I'll just try to think of what to do with it.
24:28What do you guys think about it?
24:28There's a party going on.
24:29Thank you very much.
24:29Thank you.
24:30Thank you.
24:30Thank you.
24:30Thank you.
24:33Thank you very much.
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25:11Ha ha ha!
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25:59Well, the naval shells, in a sense, but are they hitting it far enough north?
26:13What areas were they hitting?
26:14They were north of Don Hoi, sir.
26:15The naval shells?
26:15The naval shells, and they were bombing the area of Don Hoi.
26:17What did they do?
26:18Earlier we were thinking that the initial strikes were more of the same size.
26:28One hit in other ways, but it was such many ways.
26:29Right.
26:29I want to be able to do strikes in that area.
26:30Is that clear?
26:31Yes.
26:32They're stuck around starting to be 52.
26:46Anywhere up in that belt, you just assume as you get the sands, the sands compress.
26:48I thought maybe I was supposed to have done extra money, but even two have not yet been able to, because they haven't had a chance to go out to the sands.
26:51We have got to get B-52s into that area, because that's the most significant thing that we can do in terms of dropping something like a high bomb and the rest of the B-52 over there.
27:04That's what I meant.
27:20One thing that John told me this morning, three things that...
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27:47And you will go out for what purpose now?
28:02Will you be in charge of the Air Force?
28:03I'll take over the 7th Air Force, and I'll be General Andrews' air deputy.
28:05All right.
28:06Now, the thing that I want to tell you is this, is that, you know, I hope you clearly understand, the performance of the Air Force out there has not been enough in my view, actually.
28:09The reason it's not been adequate is not because of the very, very different people.
28:29And I know there's a great number of those guys in the U.S. because they're so damn brave.
28:32But the reason it's not been adequate is it's been routine, it's been by the numbers, there's been no maintenance, and so forth.
28:34Now, this is probably the last time that Air Force is going to have a top-end plane.
28:36It will very well be.
28:36The story is made right then.
28:38If the Air Force, at this point, doesn't do an adequate job at this time, and screws it up as it screwed up in before, because of lack of imagination, lack of what it does to take risks, it is going to be a very nice case which invents the history of a very fine outfit, involving many, a lot of many fine men.
29:02The thing I really want from you is to kick everybody in the ass out there, and to say, I don't care.
29:06We're not looking for safe targets.
29:21We're not looking for, you know, let's go out, you know, drop the load of the secondary target out in the blue docks, in the mountains, or something like that.
29:28But we have got to go in here and win this operation.
29:29It cannot be won without taking some risks.
29:30It's got to be done.
29:30Now, in that connection,
29:32For example, the weather has been bad for the last week.
29:48I could not understand why, as I see now with the step-up in the E3 area, we didn't have a massive strike.
29:52I know you had to deal with a huge amount of meltdowns in the E3 area, but nothing that gave me the hell of a joke.
29:56What I'm getting at is this, quickly.
29:57that the whole operation out there, and there are a variety of reasons, but I understand why.
30:15They realize it's going to be something that they're planning for, and so forth and so on.
30:17But I try to back up the military in everything they've done, everything from Sanfei to...
30:19Cambodia, to Laos, to the riots, and everything else.
30:30And now, the main point is that people will be back totally if you do something now, but there is not going to be any, there are not going to be any, there will be plenty of medals, but there will be no day of glory for failing out there.
30:36The meadows is the part people are in this for.
30:52We have got to get the aircraft.
30:54I want you to get the Navy commanders in.
30:55I want you to get the Air Force in there, the Naval Air and all the rest.
30:56And don't listen to those old bachelors out there, or the young bachelors.
30:58They just want to do it for the numbers.
30:59Let's get some imaginations, some drives, some risk-taking answers.
31:00The day after you get there, the day after you get there,
31:01Now, I'm going to watch it every morning and every night, and if we see that same routine stuff coming in here, I'll put you to bed and jump.
31:16And we've really got to do this now.
31:17This thing is, oh, I've heard all the arguments.
31:18I've talked to more and more of them.
31:18I've written things that we haven't done everything for.
31:19Including the mess on the mobs.
31:39And that's what the job of the top commander is.
31:40But it's not your job.
31:41If you're going out there in the rescue operation, that's what you're going for.
31:42If you go out there, I want you to know that you'll be backed in the hilt.
31:44You'll have to take some casualties, I know that.
31:45Some guys are going to have to take some runs and things.
31:46For me, they have already suppressed the sands.
31:47But the main thing is to win it.
31:48And this, we cannot afford to lose this.
32:08Now, for example, we've got plans ready for operation around Hyde Park.
32:12This is well worked out.
32:12Now, for example, in this area now, now that the window opens, what are we suppressing sand?
32:15So that going in today is 200...
32:17187.
32:20Actually, yesterday they made a massive strike.
32:38They had to equip a few orders to the D3 area.
32:42They had about 25 D52s and D23s.
32:43That'll be 9 D52s we have out there.
32:44We shorted out 51 soldiers, but the other 20 are in now.
32:45And kept some away.
32:45So what's today?
32:4622 with the D3 area.
32:46They're going to have 42 in this.
32:47In this combat area today, something like this, that just passed us, and we came out with gold.
33:03They were hit, yeah.
33:04Yeah, they were hit by 20 yesterday.
33:05Right, but the bombers had not beaten the Jews in a hurry, because they had never been made.
33:07No, they had not.
33:08They should have beaten the Jews now.
33:09No, no, there were 20 people who struck south of the DNC in the combat zone.
33:11They're bombing with a sky spy system.
33:26It's a radar control system.
33:27The man on the ground tells us the target he wants to hit.
33:38This is from the ground radar station, which controls the bombers right from the base point.
33:42That's what's going on.
33:44I think the bombers are out there.
33:45So all we have over supplies is weather.
33:46The problem, sir, has been the SAMs.
34:07I mean, we have to have these escort aeroplanes, either the SAMs pressing aeroplanes with their anti-air radiation missiles or something, or the F-105s, Iron Man and so on.
34:12They have to have adequate sealers operating there to protect the bombers.
34:14When the sand signal comes on, they fire these missiles at them.
34:28That suppresses them.
34:29Now, the problem has been the last few days, the weather has been so bad that we can't operate those bombs, those anti-radiation missiles in that area.
34:33But it improved quite drastically yesterday.
34:35It went to scattered conditions, and we doubled the surrogacy in the first six weeks.
34:36It looks like it's considered an all-nighter.
34:45It should be good from about 10 in the morning Saigon time right out to about 7.30 in the evening.
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35:19They are moving in that position, that's what I read on this morning.
35:39They are moving the big guns.
35:40They are moving some 130mm guns south and west of the palm trees.
35:41I think they are wanting to take that highway and perhaps bring it under fire.
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36:12Well, the main thing is this.
36:20You know, I'm totally familiar with the rules.
36:27Man is God and all that sort of thing.
36:27I can't call it that.
36:29We will be cautious.
36:51We will be cautious.
36:51We will be not amazed.
36:52Now the thing about you is that you have guts throughout this time.
36:53I know what you've done.
36:54I know that you've been behind a lot of this.
36:55It's not that tight.
36:55But you did the right thing.
37:06Now, you, I think, are the best officers we can send out there, who you feel like.
37:08But believe me, I want you to go out there and tell all of us what you thought, and let me know where you can't leave out April.
37:10He was a splendid man, a magnificent driver through the war.
37:25He's got a body record in Vietnam.
37:26He was loved by his soldiers.
37:27He's been here too long.
37:29He's tired.
37:29He's unimaginable.
37:29He's off from Taiwan, Armenia, Bangkok.
37:30Things start happening.
37:31So these things I understand.
37:31Respect him.
37:38Remember that he's the commander in the rest.
37:41I want to hear from you.
37:42You understand?
37:42I want you to know that what is going to determine this is not what Abrams decides.
37:45Because he's got to take the risk at this point.
37:47That's what you decide.
37:48And I want you to get the name and the Air Force, the young folks and the rest of them, and say, all right, fellas, let us read some of this, and maybe get some ideas out.
38:07Let me tell you, I mean, in North Vietnam, I don't mean to just resume what they did in the Johnson administration.
38:10We've got something new that has sparkle and interest, and we'll do it.
38:12But we've got to have recommendations, we've got to have some ideas to sort things out from it.
38:16What about him?
38:22What about him?
38:28Yeah, not the usual thing.
38:32Well, we'll have 400 sorties.
38:35We've got that much of a sortie.
38:35What the hell with that?
38:36Put the 400 in one place so that at least you get something knocked out.
38:37Could you try that a few times?
38:38You remember, generally, you break military history far more than I have.
38:42Yeah.
38:43Well, it's true.
38:48I suppose Napoleon was the best man to use artillery and modern warfare.
38:56It's the only way that he was able to beat a high security forces.
38:59He had not only had mobility, but the fracture artillery was damn good.
39:01I mean, that amount of use of it.
39:01You also know that World War II, World War I particularly, was an absolutely horrible ground war.
39:19I know this is very different from any World War II, but the primary canon for it is to concentrate on the artillery bombardment, and try to bust through a certain area, and then go through, rather than just spreading it all out.
39:25He who concentrates his forces wins the battle.
39:32He who spreads his forces out gets the hell kicked out.
39:40And here we've got two.
39:41He's got more men than they've got.
39:44He's got them spread all over the hell.
39:45But he has an air force.
39:45The only thing we've got going for us is the air force.
39:46The air force has got to not play in the routine way of...
39:48Scattering our coupons all over the place.
40:03We've got to come up with some ideas.
40:04We've joked these guys very, very hard.
40:05And you may be satisfied with the way this is going.
40:06I'm not.
40:06As I see it, I don't see it.
40:07I'm not imagining it.
40:08We've got enough power.
40:21We've got any more you need.
40:23We've got any more.
40:24If you do this out there, you don't have any airfields for it, man.
40:25You do have a parking lot.
40:26But what do you have?
40:26What do you have?
40:26Don't.
40:27Not out there.
40:27You've got four carriers, or will have.
40:47Will that carrier get there in the next three months?
40:48No, are they going to get there or not?
40:49No, it will be on stage.
40:50It will be on stage in the first six months.
40:51That makes four.
40:51Is that correct?
40:51No.
40:51Where is it?
41:01Get it out there.
41:09All right, let's get the fifth one over.
41:15So you can just know that we've got everybody around here with a great deal of confidence in you.
41:17But we really want you to run and argue with Abrams and
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41:40I believe that, sir.
41:48I believe that, sir.
41:48You get a settlement out of this at this point.
41:49You saw your friend Kennedy was reaching out this morning.
41:50Did you see what he said or did he say something?
41:53Well, he puts the, says that the whole reason all this happened is because we broke off the negotiations in Paris, the place you settled this war in, and then we came back to Margaret and told her that we know we've eliminated the chances of retaliation, we've eliminated the chance of retaliation.
42:15Yeah, yeah, but we have to do it, you know, the main thing is that...
42:16You're the guy, right?
42:22You're the guy we're counting on.
42:30Not just, and let me say, not just for this, but for the whole thing out there.
42:34Just, if you could take it straight from the horse's mouth, you could tell them how I feel about it.
42:37I feel very strongly about this.
42:38I get it.
42:38Nice to talk to you.
42:40Okay.
42:40All right.
42:40Al, we're in the process of coming up with a reorganization.
42:41It would be very useful for me if we could expedite that.
42:43They had planned in May to eliminate one of the Army four-starters and make the Air Force, 70th Air Force Commander Peter Chukudevich, instead of just as Air Dev.
43:00Yeah.
43:01This would be extremely helpful to do that.
43:01Work it out.
43:02Because right now is the moment.
43:02The point is, the reason it should be worked out is not the personality, the reason it should be worked out is all the goddamn thing is about now is air.
43:05Right, Henry?
43:13This change being made now is the time to do it.
43:21What is your, one thing before you leave, what is your analysis of all the stories that we heard this morning?
43:34They're claiming that there's a move from the thousands.
43:53Our judgment is that this is a diversionary move designed to tie down the reserves.
43:55They have moved in some additional measurements, and it is somewhat worrisome.
43:57But they don't have the artillery down there.
44:06They don't have the tanks.
44:08And they should not have the supplies for a better sustained operation.
44:09So...
44:10Isn't that true, Judge?
44:15But it's about to scare Q off.
44:21I think Q has behaved rather calmly.
44:24The three divisions he's got there can't be moved anyway, because he moved up most of his strategic reserve into first and second floor.
44:30He's got a small strategic reserve left in the Saigon area, and I think I should keep it there.
44:42But what about the concern that a big battle is going to come?
44:43I like what you're saying, that they're going to have a fight in three quarters.
44:45A big battle is going to come in three quarters.
44:46There may be a battle in three quarters.
44:47But the logistic system is oriented towards first and second.
45:02At this point.
45:02Not free for, I meant to say, the B3 front.
45:04The B3 front.
45:04Well, at the B3 front, we have the situation, Professor, that it partly, as a result of those massive strikes, it is just possible that they will never get it all.
45:09But you have one more person to get out there.
45:12Just one more massive strike to the B3.
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45:42It's back to operations that are getting shorter and getting shorter and shorter.
45:56So it may be, maybe they'll get off and attack, but on the basis of...
46:00Listen, my point is this.
46:01If the normality of the means, and we're all counting the means that are given, are able to launch an attack on all these fronts, they've got a hell of a lot more to be able to realize than the rest of the world.
46:08I don't believe they can.
46:20I think we just got to assume that.
46:28I think Kissel has got to recognize that he's got to take the risk.
46:30This has to be his last guess.
46:31I just don't see...
46:32If you say 1,000, then we counted 330 this week.
46:33If you take me from it, one sector alone, people actually counted, we picked up 180 weapons, which is a pretty good indication.
46:37That's like 10,000 Americans actually.
46:47I know.
46:49And they've been taking that out year after year.
46:53I know that.
46:53If we had tried, though, another place to give them one big job, you see, the concentration department, you understand, got that concentrated someplace.
46:58We find places to do it.
46:58Our...
47:00We may not be able to wait that long on that track.
47:17I'm just feeling the psychological work, too.
47:19And I'd like to make the point that we may not be able to wait.
47:23The thing is that there's got to be some feeling.
47:24There's got to be some feeling on the part of the...
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47:53That will be a signal.
48:11That will be a hell of a shot across the bottom.
48:12See my point?
48:13I have just one point.
48:13If I don't beat them, I'm going to knock the shit out of them.
48:15You know that?
48:15We'll buy some targets, too, sure.
48:16Fine.
48:17Okay.
48:17Good luck.
48:17You'll do it.
48:18You'll do it.
48:18We'll back you up.
48:18I got that.
48:19You tell those guys you're going to lose.
48:20About what he just said.
48:34You should have seen the general, Mr. President, when he was assuming that out of the peace, because he's presented not very clear.
48:40Look, there's so much writing on this, the whole future of American foreign policy, and I want that to...
48:42I got the feeling today that, Henry, I just told Bob, I didn't know when we were talking to Bill, I said, but...
48:47There's some ways some of our people are backing off this thing for fear it will affect our presence, you know, too much, too risky and so forth and so on.
49:08Now that kind of a line is not to be put out, goddammit.
49:11It should be put out just the other way.
49:15Who's putting out that line?
49:15Okay.
49:15Okay.
49:19That's great.
49:35Wow.
49:39You guys got any balls at all on that again?
49:41So, I kind of see it.
49:41I kind of see the whole future of the...
49:43They're trying to get more of what they've done.
49:45The Air Force.
49:45The Air Force.
49:46They said, what do you call us?
49:46We went all these goddamn metals, but if you look at this floor, I'm sure you wouldn't do anything about it.
49:49It was just, you know, we get a great link to it when that happens.
50:03It's maybe the last battle the Air Force ever done.
50:06That's right.
50:07That's right.
50:08Probably will be.
50:09Next one will be like that.
50:09We need more battles like this.
50:10I mean, if you have a war someplace, maybe, I doubt it, some little country, maybe they'll attack Cuba or maybe Argentina.
50:13Jesus Christ.
50:20I just don't think so.
50:22I have a strong feeling about it.
50:24It's all over now.
50:26These guys don't realize it.
50:28It's sad.
50:29It's like the old admirals all cried when they lost their battleships.
50:38They're gone now.
50:38War has changed.
50:38And maybe it's gone.
50:39But Jesus Christ did it.
50:41He's smart enough that he, I'm sure, registers all that.
50:55He can go out and use what we've got this morning.
50:58I was saying, that would be a hell of a thing for a three-star to go out and deal with that, with that kind of a charge from the commander-in-chief.
51:01I've wanted to do this since then.
51:04He's got a guy volunteering for the assignment because he knows it's fucked up out there.
51:24He knows it's fucked up.
51:24That's why he volunteered.
51:25He volunteered?
51:25Yes.
51:25Then he came to Henry and said, I'll give up my fourth star.
51:26He's supposed to move this new assignment.
51:27He said, I'll give up my fourth star.
51:28He'll let me go out to Vietnam.
51:29He saw what they were doing wrong.
51:32The guy, instead of worrying about his own badass and the bad guys, is interested in getting out and trying to win the goddamn war.
51:42And then you get in the way you did.
51:59He knows he's got backing.
52:01He knows, he told it pretty clearly, that he's not to listen to his commander.
52:02He doesn't know how to pull this off.
52:03He doesn't know how to land it.
52:04I don't give a shit if you're going to jump.
52:05I'm not going to park around with all this.
52:06Abrams is through.
52:06I'm not going to put Abrams up in that.
52:07That fucking layer isn't going to get his way at once.
52:08He pulls this off.
52:08He's got a movement.
52:09He's turned to jump.
52:09Jesus Christ.
52:10Yes, sir.
52:13That's what he's also got the brains to do.
52:23I've also got to eat a little German cheese, because I'm not satisfied with the way the German cheese thing is done.
52:27Well, compare him, for example, with much as I love with Cushman.
52:29Cushman is a fine do-it-for-the-book officer, but he has as much imagination without that cup of coffee.
52:32Are you a commander?
52:43Unfair?
52:44I don't know if I was a battle commander.
52:50That's true.
52:50Battle wars are on a personal basis a splendid battle command.
52:53I would guess a fisherman would be a hell of a guy if they had a...
52:55It's a splendid battle command.
52:55Good God, he's made the cross, purple, whatever, he's a commander.
52:57How many battle commanders do you know that were a great strategic commander?
52:58About ten or two.
52:59And I can't mention about that many.
52:59No, you have to re-ask about many or so many things.
53:01He's loyal, he'll do it, he's bold.
53:14He's loyal, he'll do it, he's bold.
53:15I like that.
53:16This guy, he's not made it.
53:16You're a preacher, and you should have one and only guy after him.
53:18Why won't you?
53:18Oh, I like his voice.
53:19He was taking his neck out.
53:38But he also ran out of a certain ring, that piece of pipe thing.
53:41Well, that's a stupid thing to do, but that's too bad.
53:42He was making a point, you know, that he was fighting.
53:43Well, I appreciated his fight.
53:44But all the other briefings, you know, he overlooked all the others.
53:45He didn't just superimpose the briefings.
53:46He only wanted to do it.
53:47And Cambodia, all the ministers, the governors, and all that crap.
53:48And all that stuff going on.
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54:32If it's in answer to an aggression, an invasion from the north, don't you agree?
54:47As you know, yeah.
54:47They've got to continue to hit this, though.
54:48The property tax manager raised this morning is relevant, mainly in terms of what we do.
54:50We lay a nice thing out there and then drop it.
54:54The only thing that we can get away with in that kind of tactic is the China crime.
55:13The reasons that are so fundamental that all of us understand.
55:16Because it hasn't been affecting the public consciousness.
55:17And I always identify with that.
55:18So we need to be hammering that too.
55:19I know, but I'm not telling the doctors.
55:19We need to hammer the visuals on that.
55:20I told them, I told Rogers, that if we're able to get ABC in time, then we're going to have to do what we need to do.
55:23I will do it, I know what to do.
55:36Let me tell you, anything that will help that program, I will really know what I need.
55:45Build it up, it's a very good thing to do.
55:46Build it up, it's a good way, it's the visual chance for me, and that's what you need.
55:49After that, for weeks, I said, God damn it, there's no tools out there.
55:52... ... ... ... ... ... ...
56:21I knew Ray was the wrong one for the editor, but he put him in.
56:43You know, we wondered, you know, if he was going to be able to do it, if he was going to be able to do it, if he was going to be able to do it, if he was going to be able to do it, if he was going to be able to do it, if he was going to be able to do it,
56:52... ... ... ... ... ...
57:21Very nice.
57:27And if you can get it to a way of worrying about moving the case, a president doesn't have to move the case.
57:46All the institutions make the law.
57:46That's what it's busting.
57:47I know that I cut out a lot of stuff.
57:48I know.
57:48But I had to give it to us.
57:49A few emotional points.
57:49He got criticized by the press for it.
57:50What the hell was he saying?
57:51Like Tex McCreary came up with a thing to me that you guys fire people to properly do that.
58:08He said, I will guarantee you that you people don't do this, because I can tell by looking at you.
58:10And it's a simple, basic government that you should do everything you do, every public thing you do.
58:14And it's a discipline that if you put yourself to it, you will solve about 80% of your problems.
58:16Sit down and write in the headline that you want to come out of it.
58:18of whatever it is you're doing.
58:25And then, take a sketch and draw the picture that you want to go with that headline.
58:30And forget about the rest of the story.
58:32And force yourself.
58:32Like right now, we're going over to Philadelphia.
58:34What's the headline we want out of that?
58:45And what's the picture we want out of it?
58:48I don't know.
58:49I do know.
58:50Maybe not the general press headline, but the headline we want out of it is Nixon facts.
58:53And the picture you want out of it is Nixon and Cardinal Crow shaking hands with Frank Rizzo standing in the background smiling.
58:57or something like that, with the cars and the roads.
59:11But, I mean, it's that.
59:13Okay.
59:14His point is, before you even decide to do an event, before anybody sits down to write the speech, or decide whether you enter from the back of the hall or the front, or whether the van plays head of the chief, or anything else, or whether you drive or helicopter, sit down and write the headline and draw a picture, and then plan everything.
59:24You list that headline and that picture, and don't worry about anything else.
59:27Now that's the same discipline that Scali's talking about, which is a little old-fashioned looking at it, but he's right.
59:48And that translates to theory, when McCurry's taking almost exclusively the TV and the print.
59:50Scali must always say, can you take the 30 seconds?
59:51Scali's point is, write the 30-second story and show the 30 seconds of film.
59:53In the term of war, there is a second film that we want.
1:00:12Who the hell does that?
1:00:12Christ never thinks that.
1:00:13Never.
1:00:13But we are getting our revenge.
1:00:14God is doing that.
1:00:14Shaper, partner.
1:00:14The cigarette?
1:00:15That is doing very good.
1:00:16That's right.
1:00:16Now we've got to move that thinking over here.
1:00:17And I'm going to start doing it by refusing now to accept anything until the headline in the picture shows it.
1:00:19Or the 30-second script and the 30-second, you know, storyboard.
1:00:33Right.
1:00:33We'll stage the event around that.
1:00:37If we start doing that, I think we can make that hell of a lot more effective.
1:00:39You know something?
1:00:39Just looking at Kennedy's stuff, I think he does it every time.
1:00:41There's no question.
1:00:43Kennedy's stuff always gets the mark.
1:00:45Now he's vicious, but he hits the mark.
1:00:50And it's really, to me, an equal presumption to say that one of the reasons is...
1:00:56It was done better when I was doing my stuff alone.
1:01:07You do it automatically.
1:01:07One of the reasons it was done better was that I always thought in those terms, like, look, in 66 I traveled this goddamn country alone.
1:01:14I'm sure you can write something, this and that.
1:01:15But I, when I would determine what the hell I was going to do, then I'd admit something.
1:01:17I would thank them and thank them in my heart.
1:01:19You know, the TV.
1:01:19Now that's first politician.
1:01:31I'm too busy now.
1:01:32I should be thinking like I am here with a vote.
1:01:33I really have to do that.
1:01:34And these guys ought to come in to me and say, here's an idea.
1:01:35But we've got a cast of 100 people around here trying to be looking at us only that way.
1:01:37That's what the Justice Council should do.
1:01:54100% help to making that work.
1:01:55You don't need any more thinking.
1:01:55You push Erlich and his crowd over that.
1:01:56Watch Erlich.
1:01:57You walk into Erlich and talk to Christ's crowd.
1:01:58And just get the people and say, you know, we've got to do it.
1:01:59And they rumble around about presidential arrests for a while.
1:02:00It's presidential.
1:02:01It's presidential.
1:02:05Look, we're going to be accused of demagoguery, or dullness, or something, one way or the other.
1:02:12In other words, if something goes over, they say it's demagoguery.
1:02:14And emotion.
1:02:14If it doesn't go over, they say it's dull.
1:02:16So what the hell, we're going to catch you either way.
1:02:17The other argument is, somebody is going to write a headline, and somebody is going to select a picture.
1:02:39Why the hell should we do it, instead of some pinko, anti-nexon guy in the bowels of his paper city, or in the television network cutting the truck?
1:02:42Why don't we decide what content is going to put on there?
1:02:43And that's this argument.
1:02:44They say, give a 10-minute speech on everything you do, and I keep saying, give us a 60-second speech.
1:02:46Correct.
1:02:47And I'm going to keep talking about it.
1:02:57We're going to revolutionize that thing.
1:02:57I'm not going to quit.
1:02:58I'm not.
1:02:58I want to.
1:02:58And also, what you know about the best thing that you've done is to, in this respect,
1:03:01This little signal that our car calls, it says to provide income, that you do very well.
1:03:19But you've got to be nice to them.
1:03:20We come back to them and say, I don't want two and a half minutes for them.
1:03:22Even if they were wrong on that, you'll say, oh, they'll go three or four minutes on this.
1:03:24Every time they matter, it's got us to a minute, or a minute and a quarter.
1:03:26Give them a minute or a minute and a quarter, and do it well, so that it doesn't appear you're being cut off.
1:03:29I give them the choice of what to run.
1:03:44Decide it ourselves.
1:03:45You should go out and do 30 seconds to a minute.
1:03:46Anything you do, you should do it.
1:03:48We can translate this down to even the very smallest of things.
1:03:49Any picture opportunity in the office.
1:03:50Right.
1:03:50Decide what's the picture and what's the caption.
1:03:52Let's do it every day.
1:04:07And I shouldn't get anything but that.
1:04:08Now that's what you do, subconsciously.
1:04:09I have very, every time.
1:04:09I have manual success in it, though, because I have people in on who stands by the flags, or who sits in the chair, and all that.
1:04:12There should be a damn thing.
1:04:12We have a hell of a lot of light, as I said, even in the Easter picture.
1:04:14We had nobody up there, as I told you.
1:04:15We worked our ass off.
1:04:15There was fat, and the heroes had their dresses, and the Christians had a hat.
1:04:29And we were worried if we'd go thirty-five, forty minutes down, we'd go to the church.
1:04:33We sat in the waiting room.
1:04:33Who the hell was up there?
1:04:36A nice little Commander Campbell.
1:04:36I didn't even know it was actually first base, so nobody knew what we should do about the picture afterwards.
1:04:39And nobody had the television up there, so that was a mistake.
1:04:41Easter's a hell of a good shot.
1:04:41You know what I mean?
1:04:42Yeah.
1:04:43And then somebody had to set that picture up.
1:04:56We got the next thing on that end that we were trying to keep it.
1:04:58I don't know.
1:04:59But we decided, if you remember, it was the 94th, right?
1:05:00And certainly somebody had started to go out and say, look, we've got to get this team anything, and we'll probably go nuclear.
1:05:02And I realized, I know what happened.
1:05:03Lots of things are going to be done now.
1:05:04I was going to make decisions, but then the last...
1:05:05That's it.
1:05:15We've got to get the country before it can move.
1:05:16We think only this way.
1:05:17Move in as I told you.
1:05:17Any time I told you, any time I told you, any time that I told you, you can't tell somebody else to do the same.
1:05:22Don't do all the same.
1:05:22It doesn't matter.
1:05:23I end up doing it.
1:05:45That's not good.
1:05:45I mean it literally.
1:05:46When I say this, a plan on any of these events should have a square with a picture drawn on it.
1:05:48It shows what it stands for, whether there's an airplane in the back road, a cross, or the front stoop of the church, or the Lincoln Q, or whatever it is we're going to do.
1:05:51Then we should get it.
1:05:52We still know what we're after.
1:05:55Start on that, yeah.
1:05:57That's about it.
1:05:59Try to follow up and see if that family picture could get approved by the kids.
1:06:19Yeah.
1:06:19That will be back.
1:06:19If they approve, they'll sell it to me.
1:06:24The other one, this is better.
1:06:25I think it's a very good picture.
1:06:25I think it's great.
1:06:26The expressions are good, and the flowers on either side.
1:06:27It's a good, warm picture.
1:06:28Good family.
1:06:28Good family.
1:06:28Good family.
1:06:30You're right, you're right.
1:06:45That's what we have to do.
1:06:46And it's that way.
1:06:46You can't do it in terms of...
1:06:47I'm not saying that you... You can't do it in terms of saying, well, it's me, Mark Goodgusson.
1:06:51Now, Mark is fine at drawing me a little diagram, saying you walk in here, you walk in here, and you walk around.
1:06:56I need to know that.
1:06:56That's all.
1:06:57But then I have to determine that he's no judge.
1:07:04Maybe we need somebody.
1:07:09You need a creative person.
1:07:09It determines what it is we want on TV.
1:07:11And Mark is superb at getting it on.
1:07:13But he's got to be given the script that shows this is what we want to have happen.
1:07:16We've got to get the cameras and the lights and the sound equipment in certain places so this will come out.
1:07:21Thank you.
1:08:36This is your reading copy, here sir.
1:08:56I've got it, yeah.
1:08:56I'll just put it once again, here.
1:08:57Excuse me.
1:08:57There's not much in there.
1:08:58Or at least I don't know.
1:08:58I don't understand.
1:08:59Hold on a second.
1:08:59Hold it right.
1:08:59I'm calling you.
1:09:31Thank you for watching!
1:10:24Thank you very much.
1:11:08Undertekster av Ai-Media
1:11:40Ehm...
1:12:10Fusil.
1:12:16Fusil.
1:12:46... ... ... ... ...
1:13:21Gaze.
1:13:37Gaze.
1:13:37Gaze.
1:16:54I don't think I marked Rogers there.
1:17:21I would prefer, frankly, even not to have Mel.
1:17:45You see what I mean?
1:17:45If you have him, you have to have Rogers.
1:17:46I think Henry should do it.
1:17:47Let Henry do the reading.
1:17:47That's the purpose of the pep talk.
1:17:48Let Henry do the reading.
1:17:49Fine.
1:17:49Fine.
1:17:49No, I think the China thing has to be
1:17:51It's sort of separated from congressional relations.
1:18:09Henry will be there, and that means that you'll agree with him on the damn thing.
1:18:11I wouldn't mind normally, but I think since it's gone to China, that they can feel that it's not very good.
1:18:13You can tell that Henry will deal with it on the meeting, but we want them to feel it's not a little separate from politics.
1:18:15There will be pictures, of course, of the camera, the camera will be loud, and so forth.
1:18:17Okay?
1:18:52... ... ... ... ... ...
1:19:18I ask you to...
1:19:30We've got broadcasts in there already.
1:19:58As much as you possibly can.
1:20:00I'm sure it's there.
1:20:04I wish we could make it also.
1:20:05We're making changes going on.
1:20:08We're going to hold it there.
1:20:46I'm talking to Alex.
1:20:49He told me that they were planning tomorrow to have the event.
1:20:54I don't know if this is the time.
1:20:57... ... ... ... ...
1:21:24... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
1:21:44Then he, or maybe he or she, will feel sensitive about it.
1:22:05He may have to ask Schultz or Steinberg, or somebody should go on about the food crisis, or he should point out that we should be talking about food crisis coming down on the economy.
1:22:08He will be at that level.
1:22:10... ... ... ... ... ... ...
1:22:31You see, it could be as a better salesman on all of those flights that, say, Richardson would be on busses, or Shelton's or Stein, Shelton's or Stein, if you want to name it.
1:22:55So I just try that, and that would be very nice.
1:22:56Now, that'll expand to an hour and a half, but that's okay.
1:22:57But I'm going to go on first, and I'm going to get that time cut off.
1:22:58... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
1:23:29Hei!
1:24:09... ... ... ... ... ... ...
1:24:32And you can see the central module here, the air gun.
1:24:43And you can see it across the board.
1:24:44And you can see the navigation.
1:24:44And you can see where it was going.
1:24:45I was at the first start of the engine.
1:24:46And I was at the second start of the engine.
1:24:47And I was at the third engine.
1:24:47And I was at the third engine.
1:24:48And it was helpful to indicate the problems of the great American airmen, Navy men, and so on, helping the South Vietnamese prevent their country from invading from North Vietnam.
1:25:14We're in this kind of aggression situation, and we'll serve to cause our peace, ending growing and finished discussions.
1:25:19Our party speakers should make the point that this is a war, and the Senate needs to get us out.
1:25:43We need to reduce the number of calls that have been made.
1:25:44We will reduce our casualties by over 90%, and we are involved in an honorable way.
1:25:47... ... ... ... ...
1:26:15... ... ... ...
1:26:47Flying for some of the matters you will want to consider.
1:27:05You know, on Earth, not at all.
1:27:06You need several months to find the following considerations for you.
1:27:09You have one.
1:27:09Players.
1:27:12I would like for three or four of you to sit down and make up a list of the 10 best players we have at home.
1:27:36Obviously, the best players are some members of the camp, a few members of Congress, some governors, some members of the White House staff, some people like Joel, and a bunch of other people, including the White House, and the Reds.
1:27:42You have, of course, the members in the background for the so-called self-managers.
1:28:05Of course, at the secondary level, you have the sub-captain.
1:28:08There are veterans and other organizations which are on file with the Coast Guard.
1:28:10It's a property that will serve two purposes.
1:28:11One...
1:28:12When a story has to be told, you will be able to look at the list and put it in ideal land.
1:28:36Number two, a small creek.
1:28:37You've always had a creek.
1:28:37And a story is important enough to require that kind of creek.
1:28:38Next subject, this is number two, is tactics.
1:28:39This could be one major story a day.
1:28:42This is on a major subject matter.
1:28:57The fact that there are plans to go around the assumption that I will have one hard news story each week.
1:29:03The television will be involved.
1:29:03It's important about the tax order, not the number of stories.
1:29:06Repetition and follow-up underline the words repetition and follow-up.
1:29:29How they start on the line, for example, when we use our language for our speech, follow-up day after day, until we find an average playing goal.
1:29:32They don't be concerned about the fact that the user is not carrying the important things, follow-up, and not to scatter our shots, until we get some sustained evidence through one way or another.
1:29:37In this discussion of tactics, I am referring to our positive stories.
1:29:55Obviously, the counterattack or an answer desk operation could be supplemental to these positive stories.
1:29:57And on some occasions, they will provide positive stories.
1:29:59Here, I'm getting across the basics about the man
1:30:28Courageous, intelligent, big one.
1:30:45Controvers, positive, second.
1:30:49Particularly the view of the recent Vietnam War.
1:30:52The issues of justice throughout this matter on several occasions.
1:30:54None of those issues had a priority, as I see them at this time.
1:30:56Peace.
1:30:57And foreign policy canals generally still have to be on the list.
1:31:17Temporarily, the emphasis will not be on the generation of tapes that will come back into the Moscow.
1:31:19Temporarily, the issue must not be to be a strong foreign policy leader who is negative to the crisis.
1:31:21Cost of living is a particular emphasis on the cost of food.
1:31:26And in particular, this is on drugs, or jobs.
1:31:45Five questions.
1:31:45One major effort should be to put our democratic plans strongly on record, favorably on record against them, and getting this across to the areas where it is.
1:31:51... ... ... ... ... ... ...
1:32:16We have an excellent program when we go on.
1:32:27We're all there ready to share with our organization and help.
1:32:32And so, the question is whether it is wise to stir up the orders around the change in excitement, or to
1:32:41use that thing as a subsidiary issue of our audiences for special pictures and episodes for stability and return to some kind of after so many years of crisis and upheaval.
1:33:03It can't be played at the same time, but at least this should be a matter for discussion within the board to see which way we should go.
1:33:27It's probably called out on the reform issue.
1:33:28This will be called out on the fact on Congress.
1:33:29The latter is probably a good idea and should occur immediately after the Democratic Convention.
1:33:35This role will tend to flex under the fire which is directed against the administration through the conference debate very often.
1:33:57The recommendations from the administration was made in the direction of this and the list right after they revealed the message and all the numbers have changed after this insertion.
1:34:01At the same time, corruption should be properly addressed.
1:34:03And then after that,
1:34:04... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
1:34:32Thank you.
1:35:00When you list, when you put number 4 on your table, and the question was there, and the question was there, it was clear.
1:35:17It's hard, actually, for non-political schools.
1:35:26Last question, if I am not suggesting that this list of issues is exclusive, or that we're not shaming this time as time goes on, for example, you may want to take the environment, because they appear to like it.
1:35:50Commonly for us to respond to the issue of competition, and we need to be...
1:35:53... ... ... ... ...
1:36:28I'll meet you there.
1:37:14Is your meeting all right at the Wessie today?
1:37:31Good.
1:37:36Is there anything new today?
1:37:36Well, of course, it might carry.
1:37:37It's going to carry out.
1:37:38Yeah.
1:37:38Is it fear of the loss of flights, planes, and that's it?
1:37:42Maybe it can, but we're going to buy a little insurance.
1:37:43I know.
1:37:44Good.
1:37:46What do you mean?
1:38:02This flight isn't going to go off?
1:38:03It's not going to go off what do you mean?
1:38:10What distance?
1:38:10Exactly what do you mean?
1:38:11You're referring immediately above the DMC or way upwards?
1:38:12So we've given them the authority at least?
1:38:13Well, who are you looking at?
1:38:14You want a cable?
1:38:16Why not Friday?
1:38:35I'm kicking the hell out there.
1:38:37I couldn't agree more.
1:38:40I'm going to do it because I need to for other reasons.
1:38:43Larry can go to hell.
1:38:43I've tried to tell people a lot.
1:38:45What?
1:38:45What?
1:38:45What?
1:38:50With a little public opinion, we can work the north over again.
1:39:04Does Hague agree with you that this ought to be done?
1:39:07Well, well, anyway, I suggest that, I think Hague ought to go.
1:39:09And that's that.
1:39:10Just say I want to go out there so I can have a first-hand report as to what the hell is going on out there.
1:39:15Okay.
1:39:17I'm giving him a hard time.
1:39:27You tell him that I'm giving you a hard time.
1:39:34Because I have anyway.
1:39:34Who the hell taught you all, you know, pretty true?
1:39:35I've been calling night after night after night.
1:39:36Nobody's doing anything.
1:39:37It hurts me.
1:39:37How about having the Navy move further up that road?
1:39:40They aren't afraid of you, are they?
1:39:45Well, how about having the cruisers particularly go up the road 75 miles, shovel stuff up the road further?
1:39:55All right.
1:39:55Can that order be given or hasn't it been given?
1:39:57Give it immediately.
1:39:57I want that to move up, and we're going to do that very dramatically and soon.
1:40:00Let's get that right up there, back and further.
1:40:04Sorry, I've got lunch today, isn't it?
1:40:07Go ahead.
1:40:08... ... ... ... ... ... ...
1:40:30No, we can't, yeah, we can just say that this is just what we discussed.
1:40:52We tell them we think they want one, and then it will only embarrass them.
1:40:55Yeah.
1:40:55Yeah.
1:40:55So we talk about, what about the attitudes or directions within the world of that man's field, third round, or left, we don't know.
1:40:58Or we run it the other way.
1:40:58But I won't say a word.
1:41:00Sorry, fine, fine, I wouldn't say word about that.
1:41:11Oh, I would say if the Russian summit comes up again, we'll go on.
1:41:13Yeah.
1:41:13Get that fleet up there, I just thought of that.
1:41:14Get that, uh...
1:41:15And on the, there, now, if the arguments are afraid to lose pilots, that makes some arguments to me, but if, on the other hand, the question is how we understand war, this is the kind of, is that your point?
1:41:38You ought to come on over.
1:41:39Basically, the fleet now is not going to be cautious.
1:41:41The B-52 is not going to be cautious, correct?
1:41:42That's true, but you want tackheads, all right.
1:41:46Yeah, yeah, but get the fleet up there.
1:41:57They can hammer it.
1:41:58Fine.
1:41:58And also, on the other thing, get Hague out there.
1:41:59He'll know how I feel.
1:41:59I told both, both, probably both, Jared Hague.
1:42:10Christ sakes, now's the time that we've got to look forward to the year.
1:42:15Good, good, good.
1:42:16You're going to talk to Gruber and work it out.
1:42:31Yeah, I think it's a good thing.
1:42:31And incidentally, I wouldn't mind going to Vienna.
1:42:32I suppose it's better.
1:42:35With Salford, you may have a lot of creeps around.
1:42:42You know, all the tourists and so forth.
1:42:43It's probably fine.
1:42:44I like Salford better, but...
1:42:44I love Salford because it's well in the sun.
1:42:47Fine, well then soldiers is fine.
1:42:58But anyway, let them pick the place, I don't care to you.
1:43:00Word.
1:43:00Right.
1:43:00But we don't, no, we've got to avoid what we possibly can at dinner.
1:43:09Right, right, good.
1:43:09All right, I'll see you at five o'clock.
1:43:24I'm not going to imply that this is a presidential mission.
1:43:37I'm not going to imply that this is a presidential mission.
1:43:38Get your impressions.
1:43:53I don't think there's any problem.
1:43:54I don't think we want to say Chris is actually a mission, but we can say that they are.
1:43:55It's a bipartisan mission, and obviously we're both having the right to, but it has the approval of the president.
1:43:59President, as does the meeting, as does the trip to the House, because we consider that our China policy is one that has brought a bipartisan approval.
1:44:18And they are going, for example, in the government plan, and we just discussed the meeting.
1:44:19We will expect to get a report from the one that returned.
1:44:21There's no special message or anything.
1:44:27They will take it.
1:44:30I think the issue is, I think, yes, we're going to send, I'll send it.
1:44:31I'll send it.
1:44:32... ... ... ... ... ...
1:45:14Ok, Mrs. Mixer called me yesterday and I'm going to call her back and say that I don't know about economy.
1:45:24But economy, I've thought about this and I don't know where I would think about it.
1:45:26I think two things that there's really no need for, but there sure are.
1:45:28What am I here for?
1:45:46I have no objection to it.
1:45:46She can come back and maybe come back and make some speeches.
1:45:50She'd like to talk.
1:45:50She'd like to come back and she'd make some speeches around about what a great job this is.
1:45:52But you control it.
1:45:53You have to control it.
1:45:53How does she not know what they stand for?
1:45:54How does she know what she stands for?
1:45:55That's what she's supposed to do.
1:45:55Just say she can use our staff
1:46:06That's what Mrs. Nixon raised with me at the time.
1:46:12She said there's no need for any staff.
1:46:12We have to say that we're going with a very short staff, and that we pool all the secretaries.
1:46:14And that you'll have somebody there to let you work it out.
1:46:16Because we can't just have it go on and on and on and on and on.
1:46:21But I think it's a good thing to have her go on.
1:46:41I agree with you.
1:46:42We're having several more.
1:46:43We have three here going to the first day, and we're talking about it right back.
1:46:44Thank you.
1:48:01... ... ... ...
1:48:26We'll meet with these people, this, uh, any of this, uh, press.
1:48:36Yes, sir.
1:48:53The, uh, the, uh, press.
1:48:54Yes, sir.
1:48:54You can't do that with an Ali-A.
1:48:55I don't want to.
1:48:55I don't want to.
1:48:56... ... ... ...
1:49:20... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
1:51:34Firmable.
1:51:49Firmable.
1:51:49Firmable.
1:51:50Firmable.
1:51:50Firmable.
1:51:50Firmable.
1:51:51I'm sorry if I shocked you.
1:52:10I'm not sure what I'm talking about.
1:52:11I'm sorry.
1:52:11I'm sorry.
1:52:11I'm sorry.
1:52:11I'm sorry.
1:52:12et ainsi que votre marbre, votre marbre à l'invitation, vous appréciez, vous cherchez vraiment votre marbre à l'invitation, votre marbre à l'invitation, ainsi que votre carrière, votre chaleureux, chaleureux,
1:52:40Samankalp, Kanaryang.
1:52:59Amin.
1:53:10Je vous remercie pour votre invitation et pour votre carrière.
1:53:12Je vous remercie.
1:53:50Henry, are you free to come over now?
1:54:10What is your situation?
1:54:10Well, I'll tell you, I'll have Paula come over now, then, if you could give about a half hour.
1:54:12Anytime.
1:54:12That's all right.
1:54:13I've got to get you to help Paula, but now I've got to finish up some things before Canada.
1:54:15Yeah, okay.
1:54:16I'm going to be over in 15 minutes.
1:54:17Can you come over here?
1:54:17I'm going to hook you up.
1:54:18Okay.
1:54:20Hei!
1:54:45... ... ... ... ...
1:54:58have that run off as a statement on the occasion of the OAS dinner, and have them also type it off as a speech copy for me, in case I decide I want to read it.
1:55:18What I'm more likely to do is, you know, you'll probably get a few of the thoughts in my head and deliver a toast.
1:55:25But on the other hand, that could be issued as a statement for the OAS dinner.
1:55:28Second point, with regard to the speech to the parliament, I do not want that attributed to the press until about two hours, you know what I mean?
1:55:48Let me explain, there's one thing that I want, I've got to keep holding, and I wouldn't give a damn about what the press had to do anyway, so they tell us they're going to keep it going about two hours before, see?
1:55:54Yeah, well...
1:55:55Put it out tonight, that's what I'm saying.
1:56:13I don't think he would anyway, but let's be sure that it's covered in that way.
1:56:15You know, one trouble with an agent visit is that every time I turn around and make a speech, you have to make an arrival statement.
1:56:18Arrival statement, toast, and I understand how to make a statement.
1:56:20Thank God, Dr. Martin, for the speech to the parliament, and then the speech from that damn ceremony.
1:56:24I know, I know, I know.
1:56:43But the British usually stop there, apparently.
1:56:49This goes in general.
1:56:49Gives a little speech after.
1:56:56Has become the custom in a lot of the British countries.
1:56:58But, boy, the beauty of going to British countries in 1953 is that they never did that.
1:57:02They never had to make a post.
1:57:03Unless it was an informal dinner given by the Prime Minister.
1:57:05Well, no, I'm not even that.
1:57:06Which I think is better.
1:57:18I mean, well, I agree, it's better for the end of the stage, that's the only one that matters.
1:57:21The audience wants to hear the four bachelors get out on stage.
1:57:23Yeah, but the audience, why worry about that?
1:57:24The audience is there, they're there, they get the thrill of being in there, and all that.
1:57:51I do think what I will do, though, is to get a very nice touch with Dick Wilson.
1:58:16This is a nice little blooper.
1:58:30We have to come in, and I will present the other service left.
1:58:39I don't tell us if you don't have it, or if you don't have it, or if you don't have it, or if you don't have it, or if you don't have it,
1:58:45...to get out.
1:58:50I mean, what you personally, we have one hell of a time doing without, you know, a good period of work pumping, trying to sell something.
1:58:57How the idea was conceived, you know what I mean?
1:58:58You know, who are you going to have to, don't give it to Sapphire, because it's not his thing.
1:59:01Well, that's Sigler Tom, president of Montaigne.
1:59:19How do you want to do it?
1:59:19I'm trying to sue you.
1:59:20And he just came in one morning and said, had written out this, and it occurred to me one night, and then could I respectfully suggest that Sigler go back and do a cheap check with Rose and see what other organizations were selling?
1:59:28Well, I'll mention it now.
1:59:29I can think of it now.
1:59:29They ordered the hounds to, but they only wanted the word mentioned.
1:59:31The 58th thing was rock and roll, I think, or something like that.
1:59:48We won't mention the ones that we had underneath.
1:59:51The 60th thing was the kitchen cabinet.
1:59:52Now this, we didn't have any other, the other cabinets, we won't mention anything we didn't have.
1:59:54And now we have this, and we went off the intensity.
1:59:55But that, you see, is the kind of background that's good for people to cover, in a good kind of way.
1:59:58If you like this.
1:59:59She doesn't have to go to heaven.
2:00:20She just has to find out what the 58th name was.
2:00:21That I don't remember.
2:00:22And that gives them a little peace that they can write.
2:00:23I'll tell you what you can do.
2:00:24You can have Colin Thomas come in too, because she'll then write for the goddamn wires.
2:00:25You might like those three people.
2:00:26The thing you might do is to have them come in.
2:00:27So write them a picture too.
2:00:28I love that.
2:00:30I didn't think this was a kind of story.
2:00:42It should go out the other way.
2:00:50No pictures to be put out.
2:00:51Don't try to blow it up.
2:00:52That's better.
2:00:53I want somebody to call.
2:00:53In 19, I don't know, 50...
2:00:55It was seven, I think it was eight or nine or so.
2:01:11Paul Miller, remember I went up to his place, Harry Bird.
2:01:14We went across the lake to Canada and went to a little town in Canada.
2:01:15I wish you would call Paul Miller and ask him what was the name of the little town.
2:01:17I want to tell him Atlanta is one of my coasts, one of my coasts in Canada.
2:01:20And I forgot the name of the town.
2:01:20The mayor gave us some cheese.
2:01:21Yeah, that's right.
2:01:33Yeah, that's right, didn't he?
2:01:34Right, if you would get that little information from him, whether it was his name or Jesus, it would be years after or something.
2:01:38It's a nice little story to tell.
2:01:38But run it down with Paul.
2:01:39He will remember the name of the house.
2:01:40Okay, fine, fine.
2:01:40I don't, I don't, just give it to him.
2:01:47... ... ... ... ...
2:02:14I think we will do it.
2:02:30I think Turkey will be alright.
2:02:27I wish you would call Paul Miller and ask him, what was the name of the little town?
2:02:40I want to tell a little anecdote about one of my co-signatures.
2:02:41And I forgot the name of the town.
2:02:42The mayor gave us some cheese.
2:02:43Yeah, that's right.
2:02:44Yeah, that's right, didn't he?
2:02:45Right.
2:02:46If you would get that little information from him, let him know who it was, his name, and G's, 50 years afterwards, it's a nice little story to tell.
2:02:59But run it down with Paul.
2:03:00He will remember the name of the house.
2:03:00Okay.
2:03:01Fine.
2:03:01Fine.
2:03:01I just, I don't, just give me a minute.
2:03:09After you worked out, you got it in your head?
2:03:10Yes.
2:03:11Are they glad?
2:03:17Yes.
2:03:17Is it going to be Salzburg?
2:03:19Yes.
2:03:19Great.
2:03:20Great.
2:03:20And it's just like, you know, they have a nice hotel or a castle.
2:03:24Castle for me and a hotel for the clowns.
2:03:26How's it sound?
2:03:27Do you think it's better than Ireland?
2:03:29We don't have a problem.
2:03:31And the meeting is set up with the...
2:03:35Incidentally, I am inclined to think it ought to be a lunch.
2:03:46I was just going to say, the only problem is he wants to do an off-the-record title for a small lunch.
2:03:51Fine.
2:03:51A non-formal lunch.
2:03:52Well, I think we will do it.
2:03:54I think it's perfectly all right, and I don't mind if it's not too long.
2:03:58I'd just like to say that we could act as a matter of fact.
2:04:14I think we should do it.
2:04:15It's a matter of grace, going into this country and not having a meal is just a hell of an insult.
2:04:18And it won't bother me at all.
2:04:20There's not much worse than having to keep a driving shirt on the headrest.
2:04:21Well, and I'm not so sure the luncheon can be small or large.
2:04:24It's up to him.
2:04:24I don't care about the size of the luncheon.
2:04:25I don't think I can have a crime today because a failure is as long as it takes.
2:04:28Yeah, I don't know, may not.
2:04:37He'd get in there with a small luncheon.
2:04:44He'd be yanking around with a bunch of people and so forth.
2:04:46Whatever he wants though, he can have a luncheon.
2:04:49And we would tell him the only thing is that we would not want it too long.
2:04:50You know, too formal.
2:04:51You know, I don't mind formal, but he could sort of eat his treat about a time.
2:04:52And that totally ambassadored that.
2:04:53Incidentally,
2:04:53And as a special favor, if I want to take this ambassador with us, we can take him to Ipsos or drop him off.
2:05:05Do you know what I mean?
2:05:05If he wants to go.
2:05:05He's an old friend of mine for years.
2:05:06We've got to go home.
2:05:07Don't wait on the money.
2:05:10It may well be that this ambassador will have gone forward, and if he has, fine, but if he hasn't, I didn't want you to scream to find out, and then get an ambassador to arrive.
2:05:44I need something which I sent out and then I forgot because Colson sent it when I was meeting a conversation he had at the seminar and I didn't want to do it.
2:06:05I sent it out and I wanted back, but I wasn't able to digest it until I was there.
2:06:07You know, I don't know what the price is going for.
2:06:08I just had to get it out and put it in my file if you would.
2:06:13It's much better.
2:06:25Of course, he can't even speak.
2:06:32He couldn't speak his English.
2:06:33He's got such an accent.
2:06:34He doesn't know the language very well.
2:06:36So it's much higher.
2:06:38I'm sure his French is so classical.
2:06:39All of his languages are so precise that it's much easier to understand French.
2:06:43Well, no criticism.
2:06:50I think the woman, actually, is the best one.
2:06:58She's not much of a woman.
2:07:01She's very good.
2:07:01Leave on that.
2:07:03If Walter's busy or something, have the woman come over and have her give you an eye translation.
2:08:01IPT, federal convention, or any of that sort of thing.
2:08:21I should not have heard of any of those lines.
2:08:22Henry has made a strong point that there should not be any escalation of Vietnam
2:08:26His view now is that the lower...
2:08:42the division in this country can be played for the next few days or weeks, the better off we'll be.
2:08:57And from a foreign policy standpoint, he thinks that's true.
2:08:58All right, I'm a foreign .
2:08:59Well, that's what I said.
2:08:59We've got the problem of keeping the areas .
2:09:01I disagree with that.
2:09:14I do.
2:09:15But what he's arguing is, don't start to sustain that.
2:09:16What we were going to do was launch an all-out click on Kennedy and .
2:09:18And he argues with that.
2:09:20All right.
2:09:20I'll take it.
2:09:20Because they'll be left quite back.
2:09:21I would agree that if we get Luther or .
2:09:23It's all right.
2:09:26I think we can probably...
2:09:30They're all stuck on this thing.
2:09:40And we've got to do everything, Bob, that has to do with... Yeah, Henry's argument is until this breakthrough... Until he goes to prayer.
2:09:48Yeah, exactly.
2:09:49Now, incidentally, for God's sakes, uh, I've got to...
2:10:03I've got to talk to you, too, Sam.
2:10:08I didn't know what I'd be doing.
2:10:09Well, I had a trip to Moscow.
2:10:10First, we'll drive rockets right up on the wall.
2:10:14But he's got to pay for this, uh...
2:10:16You don't know, huh?
2:10:21I hope I can tell a good record of the debris then.
2:10:35I already got a message back from Moscow saying that it's very important.
2:10:38I should have come.
2:10:39All right.
2:10:40You want me to do that?
2:10:57You think you'll give him the answer the next day and say it was OK?
2:10:59I said, you will not get back.
2:11:01But I will give him the final answer.
2:11:01I just want to prove it to him.
2:11:03Correct.
2:11:03At that point, I'm waiting.
2:11:04Right.
2:11:04We are done with the agenda item number one.
2:11:05And therefore, they request that I get in and they reveal that I am the justice and also that the Vietnam East delegation for this office may
2:11:09They're coming through Moscow on Sunday.
2:11:26They want to have them speak at their talks on Sunday, and not just on Sunday.
2:11:32When are you getting them?
2:11:33On Monday.
2:11:33On Monday.
2:11:33On Monday, I arrived there Thursday night, which I was going to let go and go.
2:11:35But they are really, I tell you, let me say a couple of things so that my violence here doesn't just raise an angry.
2:11:38On the rhetoric here, first point, there's no, on the speech, it's very high level, and it's no more than what I said previously, that free power is restraint.
2:11:58I'm going to say it.
2:11:58Because otherwise, there's nothing in the damn speech.
2:12:00The Canadian speech is a, God, I mean, they've done awful well.
2:12:03I mean, I think you've done a fine job right there.
2:12:05Well, I could make a look at it, but it isn't.
2:12:06Well, there's a sentence or two that might be particularly great, but that's too late.
2:12:23You've got a minute now, but I ought to get this done.
2:12:29Let me, is it better for you to maybe, I think if you just hear the part of a male narrator that, I don't know, but I meant, so you can get a view of it.
2:12:33Because we, I took some sentences and wrote them in half, and I think it's over.
2:12:37I'll read it to you, and you'll get a copy by this time.
2:12:48But in their central aim, these journeys are alike.
2:12:51Neither is it directed against anyone, adversary or ally.
2:12:53Both are for the betterment of everyone, for the peace of all mankind.
2:12:57I introduce the whole thing that way.
2:12:59The responsibility for building peace rests with special weight upon great powers.
2:13:14Whether the great powers fulfill that responsibility depends not on the atmospherics and the diplomacy, but on the reality of their behavior.
2:13:16Great powers must not create a period between tundas and anirudh equal periods of tension.
2:13:19They must not use the spirit of reconciliation as a cloud behind which they prepare to observe movement of lateral pressures.
2:13:23Better relations among all nations require restraint by great nations, both in dealing with each other and in dealing with the rest of the world.
2:13:36We can agree to limit arms.
2:13:37We can declare our peaceful purposes.
2:13:39But neither the limitation of arms nor the declaration of peaceful purposes will bring peace, if directly or indirectly the aggressive use of existing weapons is encouraged.
2:13:44The great powers cannot avoid responsibility for the aggressive actions of those to whom they give the means for a great, great imparting of such actions.
2:14:02The great powers must use their influence to halt the aggression on the church.
2:14:06Only if they cut out with that.
2:14:07Cut it.
2:14:07They cannot avoid responsibility for the aggression.
2:14:08All right.
2:14:09The rest, I'll cut it.
2:14:09Great powers.
2:14:10All right, fine.
2:14:12We can just cut that sentence and throw it right in.
2:14:26The great powers must use their influence to halt aggression, not to encourage it.
2:14:29Thank you.
2:14:29How's that?
2:14:29Otherwise, it's free.
2:14:30Otherwise, it's fine.
2:14:31All right.
2:14:31The president is disappointed of strategy as to keep this theme in the bulletin.
2:14:34They are really slow.
2:14:38But before you get into that, I want to be clear with the underbrush.
2:14:48I told Bob that I would accept the proposition that we will not have anybody defend us.
2:14:52Well, not defend us, but not attack.
2:14:53We do have the problem that if the attacks are allowed to get out of hand,
2:14:57I'm reading a news summary this morning and I would gather that the networks in Muskegon and so forth and so on are all very useful things, interviewing the soldiers.
2:15:13I'll tell you, I had the cape on there, and I want to hate to carry it out.
2:15:21One commanding officer of a regiment sent him out on patrol, and some of the guys said, I don't know who you want to go.
2:15:26And he explained, well, look, if you don't go, the rest of the folks are going to be there to be in danger.
2:15:30I don't know who it was, but anyway.
2:15:36And then he said, and he said, and you bastards in the press, you're responsible for this.
2:15:47Now, I want him personally commended for that.
2:15:49Is that clear?
2:15:49Eggs.
2:15:49Personally come eggs.
2:15:50Because that's some son of a bitch in the Pentagon.
2:15:52I want the press to know that's exactly how I feel about it.
2:15:55Eggs.
2:15:57But what I mean is we've got to play a game on the domestic front that does not allow our opponents, Henry.
2:16:04I'm not concerned about deterioration in our own position and all that happens, all that matters is how it comes out.
2:16:11But I believe that the foreign policy aspect might be harmed.
2:16:14If it appeared there was a hell of an uproar in this country against what we're doing.
2:16:26If we had attacked, we should have attacked.
2:16:28All right.
2:16:28I just don't recommend against starting out attacks.
2:16:32Now, some of these Democrats have signed a letter today about the expenditures.
2:16:35Now, we've got to, Mr. President, at the next weekend, we can pull the plug on these conversations.
2:16:39We can say, now, one thing the president told me is that as of Tuesday night,
2:16:43The North Vietnamese were still coming on the 24th.
2:16:52Well, but that's, they made three conditions that we come on the 13th, when the Islamic recession and then we start the bombing of the North.
2:17:02We have not met any of these conditions.
2:17:03They come under those circumstances.
2:17:05That in itself is an unbelievable conflation of reasons.
2:17:17I agree.
2:17:17Secondly, if they come after I've been in Moscow, and he told me that Moscow was having a hard time going, which is fine.
2:17:23They won't be here.
2:17:24There's no interest.
2:17:25We don't care about the reason.
2:17:26But after that visit, now, what the president said, you know, it's very different.
2:17:34Like, look, now, none of this...
2:17:36I know, he gets to the coal fights.
2:17:37Now it's like your conversation at the time you were building up the train with none of this baloney about what are you doing to us.
2:17:45Well, I think I've never said my government knows this, and he talks just like a straight out of the mic.
2:17:48He says, look, we have this problem.
2:17:50Our national interest is against what's going on in Vietnam now.
2:17:56But we also... No, they wouldn't say that.
2:17:58That's the Herman line.
2:17:59Go ahead, but no, no, that is not what that is.
2:18:01I know, I know, but you know, that is the Herman line.
2:18:05Go ahead.
2:18:06No, but their line used to be that we were ruining the possibility of good relations with them.
2:18:13Go ahead, but whatever it is, he was saying their national interest.
2:18:16On the other hand, he said...
2:18:18We shouldn't push them in a position where they seem to be selling out.
2:18:30But let's be realistic.
2:18:31What do you want?
2:18:33I said, we want an end of military operations.
2:18:35That's the minimum.
2:18:37We are not going to sit there and talk and get ourselves chopped up over a period of months.
2:18:41We've now got our forces together out there.
2:18:42We're going to use them.
2:18:43He said that
2:18:44He said it was a irrevocable decision against us.
2:18:53I said, we will do what is necessary.
2:18:56He said, if we get you a guarantee that military action stops for a year, is that satisfactory?
2:19:03Mr. President, frankly, it is satisfactory.
2:19:05If these guys have to do this attack,
2:19:07Well, the point is, you could have a truce for the purpose of talks.
2:19:17That's what I had in mind for the way I had missed the truce.
2:19:20Well, it would be amazing to get the peace.
2:19:21That's why I don't want to... No, don't give it away.
2:19:25No, I don't want to give it away.
2:19:26After cranking up this operation, they stopped.
2:19:28I said, no, the first thing you have to remember, and I told them, we don't believe a word Hanoi said.
2:19:31So Hanoi can offer up anything that you've got to guarantee it publicly.
2:19:34before I can even take it to the President, because the President is in such a mood now that if I come to him and say, I know he's trying, he will throw me out of the door.
2:19:49What do you say?
2:19:50Does he believe you?
2:19:50Oh, those ships, Mr. President, that's what's killing them, because they know.
2:19:55This is the largest fleet that's been assembled in I don't know how many years.
2:20:04They tell me within three, four months they'll get out there.
2:20:11They'll be out there in a little bit.
2:20:13And they're increasing.
2:20:14And it's actually in our interest, Mr. President, that they get there slowly, because that gives us an excuse for not having done it yet.
2:20:18I understand.
2:20:21So he said, are you prepared to do this?
2:20:25He said, if we get military operations done, are you prepared to say to the North Korean regime, you proposed a coalition government, we proposed an election, we're willing to talk whether a compromise is possible between these two positions.
2:20:43Talk about a compromise we can do, Mr. President.
2:20:46If they stop military operations for a year, they're finished.
2:20:49We're in.
2:20:51That would be
2:20:53He interpreted all over Vietnam as a massive defeat for Hanover.
2:21:09Then he said, well, what about this limitation of military aid ?
2:21:14All of your allies were .
2:21:14We can't let you send stuff in through .
2:21:15And your allies are Chinese, I mean.
2:21:17All I'm trying to say, Mr. President, is do you remember how many years we've tried
2:21:20and they wouldn't even communicate our messages to our noise.
2:21:27He tells me that in active, daily contact.
2:21:31He says, Vietnam is a Jedi, number one, when I get there.
2:21:33He says, when you get there.
2:21:36When I get there.
2:21:36Oh, yeah?
2:21:36Oh, yes.
2:21:37But they're trying to get the gun back.
2:21:39They're not saying, if you blockade, you'll be in a confrontation with us.
2:21:44But I hope that he doesn't feel that he's coming.
2:21:46come out with the coalition government, concession from you.
2:21:56There's no chance of it, Mr. President.
2:21:58What he's looking for, and I understand it, is some faith-saving tool that enables them to stop the war for a time.
2:22:02Yeah.
2:22:02In which we are committed to talk about something, and they are committed to stop fighting.
2:22:08We will have to achieve, if they stop fighting with the president, will be a bigger victory by far than the Cuban Missile Army.
2:22:19We didn't lose any Americans.
2:22:21Cuban missile that involved Americans involved a bunch of damn Cubans.
2:22:31Let's look at it in other ways.
2:22:32Supposing tomorrow morning Hanoi publicly said to you, we're willing to make a compromise on the political thing.
2:22:38Are you willing to talk about a compromise without making a proposal?
2:22:40We've got to say, yes, we'll talk about it.
2:22:42Basically, what we'll have here is a bombing halt with action on their side rather than on our side.
2:22:47On both sides.
2:22:49That's incidental, Mr. President.
2:23:03We have planned some strikes on truck parks and P.O.L.
2:23:07depots and outside farming on all these regions.
2:23:12And I think we ought to do it.
2:23:13I've already told them we will do it in the operations in Vietnam and in Canada.
2:23:15But I think our only hope now, our best hope, is to give them these.
2:23:17My recommendation would be that you do it.
2:23:24And as soon as it's finished, I'll call him up and say, from now till the 24th, you don't keep up on himself until the 20th, 10 o'clock.
2:23:29I think that there are trucks in the transport area.
2:23:37I think, and also, as I told the Hague last night, keep that fleet moving up that coast.
2:23:42Now, you're running the risk that these guys will use the pretext of these strikes and say they now won't come to the port.
2:23:51I think what's getting them to the port is not goodwill, but fear.
2:23:58And I think we, you see, we have two possibilities.
2:24:04One is to win the battle in the south.
2:24:07That will face us with the dilemma the leaders raised yesterday.
2:24:10How do we know they won't come back next week?
2:24:14And it won't get the Russians in, because if the battle is confined to the south, the Russians will believe that if Hanoi wins,
2:24:21That's good for them because it weakens our Hanoi forces.
2:24:26It's good for them because it increases Hanoi's dependence on them.
2:24:30So the southern battle, they don't mind.
2:24:32What's panicking the Russians is that we will blockade or that we will sue Khairavno or Vietnam, that they will be forced to put in something in an area which they have nothing to gain.
2:24:45And therefore, risky as it is, we've gotten to where we are in this campaign by running a little bit risk.
2:24:59The Chinese already know about this.
2:25:07Well, they've already said about it.
2:25:07I've already told the prison we're going to do something intense about it.
2:25:09And he said, well, must you do it?
2:25:10I said, yeah.
2:25:11He said, well, as long as we do it, we'll do it.
2:25:12But it won't create a good environment, I said.
2:25:14Well, the point is, Mr. President, to extend it without you.
2:25:22We don't have to do it, but I think showing that we keep coming, that this thing is going to get worse and worse, is helpful.
2:25:34Thank you.
2:25:34And, of course, we were all drunk the rest of the day.
2:25:37Blow the whole thing.
2:25:38Mr. President, I cannot believe that.
2:25:39I believe that the only thing that can flow is if we blend now.
2:25:51Do you remember you said, though, at the time of Laos and Cambodia, that the private cars you were having probably were injured by the attack?
2:25:56Yeah, because, as I look back, because of the mistake you were, when I was in Camp David about Cambodia,
2:25:59You said, why don't we do that?
2:26:05I was wrong.
2:26:05I thought we should keep it moderate.
2:26:15If we had, at the time of Cambodia, acted the way we do now, it now is because we never really had it without.
2:26:21Because we knew that we were going to take things that Abrams now was on the ball again.
2:26:24Well, anyway, he said that, but I gave Hague hell on it, though, to be sure.
2:26:38I told Hague that the purpose, that's why I said he should call a little admiral.
2:26:47I said, tell these boys that we're going to win this war now.
2:26:52We're just not interested in winning this battle now.
2:26:53And they'd say, what do they mean?
2:26:55We can get that kind of psychology through them.
2:27:02That'll be some improvement.
2:27:05Oh, yeah.
2:27:06That's...
2:27:07But I think the combination of your message to McCain takes places.
2:27:14I admit, Mr. President, this strike over this weekend is going to get us right up to the line.
2:27:21My view is that it's precisely your willingness.
2:27:24But the whole point, though, is as far as getting something aligned, you mean with the Russians?
2:27:27With the Russians, I don't think so much.
2:27:30But with Hanoi, I mean, there's a point beyond which they will say, we can't talk into it.
2:27:38But it happens.
2:27:39It happens.
2:27:40You'll still go to Russia.
2:27:41But they won't say it.
2:27:41I think the Russians won't say it.
2:27:45The need for secrecy first asked a critical question that Roger told on the 24th meeting.
2:28:08We have one other comment layered at the beginning.
2:28:13Rogers had called Laird to do some worries about the B-52 strike and requesting to be involved ahead of time from now on.
2:28:32And we've got to keep those two fellows ferocious for the next week.
2:28:35What if Rogers is the objecting to the strike?
2:28:36Not the objecting to the strike.
2:28:37Rogers is Laird objecting to the strike.
2:28:38It's like Cambodia.
2:28:39I call them enterprises.
2:28:39It's like Cambodia.
2:28:40They're neither of them objecting.
2:28:41They both are in the position where this thing blows up of saying they were uneasy.
2:28:48And they're both in the position, if it worked, of saying they were loitering.
2:28:53So it's what I have to do.
2:28:57Everything required of me.
2:28:57If you couldn't see him for five minutes on the train on the way back, I wouldn't bother.
2:29:10Oh, yes, I will.
2:29:11Your strategy is to beat La Roche.
2:29:13The thing to do is to tell him, on the way back, I want to have a talk.
2:29:15You be there, he be there, and we'll have the goddamn thing out.
2:29:18One thing.
2:29:18Another thing is to tell him, going up, I can't do it because I've got a precursor.
2:29:22I'd also recommend, he doesn't really want to testify on Monday, at least, let's say.
2:29:24We could figure out something he could do with Irvin.
2:29:41Irvin and, uh... Well, it's not very early, but then... Well, it's better than Irvin.
2:29:45Who is it?
2:29:45Not that...
2:29:45I'm just worried that... Well, what do you want me to do with you?
2:29:48Send him to...
2:29:48Send him.
2:29:49I think you got a good point there.
2:30:07We could send it to the U.N. at some time.
2:30:11Or kind of the U.N. Is the U.N. meaning?
2:30:12I am sure that he suggested it to me.
2:30:13He doesn't want to test his eye because of the heat.
2:30:16Why doesn't he come up and spend the day with me at Camp David?
2:30:20Why don't we send him to the UN to move his economy to the UN?
2:30:32We'll work something out on that.
2:30:37I agree.
2:30:38I'm talking on the way back.
2:30:39What the hell is this about the two strikes?
2:30:43He knows generally that that's what we're doing.
2:30:47Oh, yeah.
2:30:47The theory is, Mr. President, that we are... Sure, Laird knows.
2:30:50I mean, I called Laird and I said, were you there when I met with Laird?
2:30:57Oh, yeah.
2:30:57Didn't we discuss the two strikes at that time?
2:31:02Here's the argument.
2:31:02Jerry's able to handle with the Congress.
2:31:09I don't think actually, I don't see all that squealing around about the 52 strikes.
2:31:14Do you, Bob?
2:31:16I mean, they're squealing about the war, not the 52 strikes.
2:31:20Laird has some other thoughts.
2:31:25Laird wants to prove that the war can be won in the South and that there will be a demonstration of success.
2:31:32He doesn't want the argument that we have found that no ground.
2:31:33On the other hand, Mr. President, they're not going to pay us off on this.
2:31:36They've got to win.
2:31:37The whole point is we've got to win, all right?
2:31:39We would never have gotten the Russians to this point if we'd been just playing around with the South.
2:31:45That's correct.
2:31:46Never.
2:31:47Also, we just couldn't tell Rogers we just don't want him.
2:31:51What we're trying to do is deploy an offensive in October.
2:31:52That's what I'm telling him.
2:31:53Now, let's just be telling him he's got to be ferocious now.
2:31:54No, he will not.
2:31:56Rogers...
2:31:57never believes in using power for diplomacy, so you can't tell him about being for it.
2:32:04I mean, you and I know we have to be ferocious.
2:32:06I just want to tell Roger that I've decided I've got to do this in order to reduce their capability of attacking in October.
2:32:11How's that sound?
2:32:12He's not really, he's sort of niggling around.
2:32:16He hasn't objected to it.
2:32:18But the best thing is we could avoid having him testify.
2:32:21That would be, that would be useful.
2:32:27See if I can announce the Polish visit on Monday.
2:32:31Are they ready?
2:32:32Are they still willing to announce it?
2:32:36I think Austria is great.
2:32:38Austria is okay.
2:32:38I agree to a lot.
2:32:39I agree to a lot.
2:32:41I think I'll have a lunch with the ambassador.
2:32:52I think it's worth it.
2:32:54Don't you have to ask for it?
2:32:56Yes, I do have to ask for it.
2:32:58Let me see what his ambassador is.
2:33:01Oh, yeah.
2:33:02A small lunch is all.
2:33:02No, but I mean, this ambassador is a great friend of mine, and I just think it would just, frankly, cap his career if he could have a lunch.
2:33:06One other thing, Mr. President, and I talked to the president yesterday,
2:33:08about this polling on another day.
2:33:24He said it was a very, very much appreciated muster that you had checked about polling, and if that's what he wanted to say, that if we could avoid making a contagious connection to the Catholic Church.
2:33:28All right, no problem.
2:33:29I think if you could back to the... No, listen, just going there is enough.
2:33:31Don't worry.
2:33:33Frankly, it's a mixed bag for the Cardinal.
2:33:42He sees, you know, his position is tenuous.
2:33:45We can't have the Cardinal in Philadelphia because the Polish government has taken over.
2:33:49The Cardinal of Philadelphia is impressive.
2:33:52He doesn't question it at all.
2:34:01He just says it might be a good idea.
2:34:05I'll handle that.
2:34:06Look, I know a foolish thing like the back of my hand.
2:34:08You don't even use the word freedom.
2:34:09You use other things.
2:34:09You talk about friendship.
2:34:10What we have to show that us is that there's jeopardizing this sort of cooperation.
2:34:13Right.
2:34:16So we got a lot of mileage out of the technique that voted with it.
2:34:23Well, frankly, we wouldn't have checked it unless we decided to consider it.
2:34:29Could you take a couple of notes on the Scott Mansfield?
2:34:30The letter ought to show a line.
2:34:33I don't think we need to write a pound.
2:34:38Don't you agree?
2:34:38I talked to the Chinese ambassador yesterday, and I said,
2:34:42Right, I hope you realize that this is a very sensitive issue, and any comments you have on this.
2:34:58I'm referring to this gentleman, I'm referring to their meeting with Mao, they should meet with Mao.
2:35:03You've got that quite across the way.
2:35:03The point is, the letter Joe and I, I think, should be along the lines of this.
2:35:05Why do you have to send that letter?
2:35:08Yeah, you talked to him.
2:35:13Tell him we sent a message.
2:35:17We found it better to send a message through a private channel rather than a formal letter.
2:35:21That that was good.
2:35:23Good, good.
2:35:24Would you call and say that you should know at least the President sent a message through a private channel?
2:35:28And that it went very well and they're going to handle it extremely well.
2:35:31Good.
2:35:35It's very minor, at the end of which they said, uh, uh, we, we have an intense interest in an improvement of relations.
2:36:00You first took that line.
2:36:01Oh, yeah, I was very nervous.
2:36:01I said the president should unscrupulously pursue his cause no matter what anybody said.
2:36:05But not directed against you.
2:36:18Yes, that's right.
2:36:24If I was sleeping at midnight, it gets me in bed about 7 or 8 in the evening.
2:36:26Then I go to bed.
2:36:27Then I can start reading my dreams.
2:36:28It would be better if I could take a nap.
2:36:28I'm trying to go to bed, but I can't do it from the invitation.
2:36:32Why?
2:36:32Take any plane you need.
2:36:36It might be.
2:36:45Why don't we run it?
2:36:50Do you mean running it as an advance party?
2:36:51Why don't we focus on that?
2:36:53No, no, no.
2:36:53The whole thing leaves.
2:36:54The whole thing leaves.
2:36:56No, it won't work.
2:36:59Don't worry about it.
2:37:03I don't, I'm not concerned about the leak on this thing.
2:37:06Fine, for that.
2:37:11That'll keep the project through.
2:37:13We're not so...
2:37:14If it starts leaking out at Big South, the only problem you've got is with Rogers.
2:37:30This is something that came up.
2:37:31Huh?
2:37:31If he finds out, you can say this is part of the announcement.
2:37:32This is as close as we've ever come.
2:37:33They're not going to tell Rogers then about the trip to Russia.
2:37:38Or don't you have to?
2:37:42People like the law, though.
2:37:44But you're not going to advance the trip.
2:37:57The thing that he should be told is the Russians asked you to come because to meet with them before your private meeting to talk about Vietnam.
2:38:08Curious.
2:38:09Don't say a word about advancing the trip.
2:38:13Absolutely.
2:38:17That's the way we would handle it.
2:38:25But I would say that you ought to tell Rogers about your trip to Paris, that you're going over, and they're going to be trying to find a proper cover for it.
2:38:31By the way, that's the main thing.
2:38:33And then you see, if you were here on a trip to Paris, you'd go over and down to the bottom of it.
2:38:36Bob, you see, the stakes are too high now, and I've said the same thing to everyone.
2:38:39We've got to...
2:38:39but worry about sensitivities and do what is necessary and what's right.
2:38:45Mr. President, we pulled this one off.
2:38:49But this is the first time where one can see a concrete outcome.
2:38:55The previous negotiations, you couldn't really quite see how they would gel.
2:39:01And they were never under time pressure.
2:39:05And that's why we are figured that if you
2:39:08I think that's what's done in Oshawa.
2:39:11And if I... Now, if Huntree were in there, and I'm here, and I said to the brilliant, look, this man's going to throw me out of the office, if I come in there and just say it, we'll be through talking.
2:39:24Well, the same is true of Muscovy.
2:39:26The same is true of Kennedy.
2:39:27Exactly.
2:39:30And yet he, on the other hand, we've combined the ferocity with what is also very important, with a very forthcoming attitude on all the details of the visit with them.
2:39:44You know, all the grace, that's another thing.
2:39:46And we have done, say, Mrs. Dixon's little drill, my speaking to him at the ceremony, you know, all that.
2:39:59Right.
2:39:59We'll have done exactly what you said you would do.
2:40:08You've come to Russia to talk, you've settled into the Istanbul, you've always said you would do that.
2:40:13You've linked everything together.
2:40:15It's the lineage that's gotten us here.
2:40:16Because everything is hanging out, but there won't be enough.
2:40:24And I have now, we've gone through these charges with each other.
2:40:26How about having Rogers asking him to go out and do a speech in Chicago or something?
2:40:41We don't want a speech.
2:40:42We don't want a speech from him.
2:40:43I think it's the U.N. that's the only possibility.
2:40:49Why don't I call him and tell him I mentioned about the U.N. and you thought it was a brilliant idea?
2:40:54Yeah, but I think...
2:40:55He's got no... And then I'd say that he ought to go up to spend the day at the U.N. Don't you want to talk about the Mideast?
2:41:02How's that?
2:41:03Mideast?
2:41:04Yeah.
2:41:04It requires...
2:41:05Some matters have come up in the Mideast and he's got to go up there and spend the day at the U.N. You'd be thrilled if he doesn't.
2:41:11This is not a great way.
2:41:12He's easy to do it.
2:41:13On the contrary, he's petrified for this.
2:41:26Henry, he does decide one other thing.
2:41:28It always seems this happens, but you go to Moscow, it would be a hell of a box on the first thing you do.
2:41:36I can't, this is a time I can't say a damn word.
2:41:46I can't imagine.
2:41:47Fortunately, I'm held the next week, so I would definitely have to go.
2:41:55Yeah, but the next week.
2:41:55Well, there's another reason we can't do the press next week.
2:41:56If the announcement will be kind of, the message said it's May 13th, I can't believe it.
2:41:59I was wondering about that.
2:41:59That just kills it.
2:42:01Well, you see, Mr. President, you're following the path of the French boat.
2:42:06Maybe the whole thing will blow up, but at least we know what we're in charge of.
2:42:10Well, on the 24th, we'll know everything.
2:42:24And that will be a good time.
2:42:34Yes, sir.
2:42:34Yeah, straight reception.
2:42:35And I'll make it a long reception.
2:42:36I'll spend time.
2:42:36All right, good.
2:42:37That's two hours.
2:42:38But anyway, Henry, I think it's, I think your judgment with regard to, it's my judgment, but you know, I tend to be more hawkish even than you are.
2:42:49Not because I, because I have, because I have no confidence at all in the circumstances.
2:42:53But my view is that, that I think, and I really believe, that you can just, that hitting the North now, I still think we can get away with it, with American public opinion.
2:43:12And I think it'll shake Hanoi, it'll rattle away people a little.
2:43:14Mr. President, if we hit the P.O.L.
2:43:15dumps outside Haiphong, the storage areas between Hanoi and Haiphong, and then on the other side of Hanoi, we're bracketing all their towns, and we're putting people's issues on one of these targets right near Hanoi.
2:43:22I admit it, they could just say, now we can't talk, we're too weak.
2:43:30On the other hand, he's got that bleep ceiling in him.
2:43:36I have never known a communist who refused to talk when his position began.
2:43:42The thing to do is to send them a message right after the strike is completed.
2:44:05It says, from now on until these talks are completed, there'll be no attacks, no disrespect to this country.
2:44:08Okay, very much.
2:44:08Thank you very much.
2:44:08I've got help already.
2:44:10I'll mark it when I come.
2:44:15You see, we may find something we want to do with planes this week.
2:44:27You see, this jackass trip to Canada, in a sense, will make some, it'll make more news in the United States than a trip to, frankly, France.
2:44:34Would you agree?
2:44:35Or, you know, maybe I'm all done with it.
2:44:38American TV has to play trips to Canada because they're all covered in Canada, correct?
2:44:43I think you could get across the idea today, and I think it's worth touching it up again rather than just having Sigler put it out, about how the president works at Camp David, works at Florida, works in California.
2:45:07by maybe having somebody like Rose go on, you know, on one of those band programs.
2:45:19And she said, well, down there,
2:45:20that the staff doesn't particularly like to go on these trips.
2:45:31I mean, they don't really, I mean, they're working trips.
2:45:34And that she can say that, for example, in Florida, and this is a very nice touching spot, I think also that Julian Fisher can mention that the, that,
2:45:38And this is quite true, that in Florida, there have been many, what really struts up, there are many days when the weather has been good in the morning, but it's rather worse off of a two or three in the afternoon when the weather is good.
2:45:55And then when he decides to go out in the weather, you know, it's not good.
2:45:58And his staff is urging him to take off sometime in the morning when the weather is good in case he gets mad in the afternoon.
2:46:01It sounds like an unimportant thing, but I know these people are, they do pick up this rally tomorrow or days out of the White House.
2:46:11But understand, it doesn't, but I would let them get away with it too.
2:46:15I think the working campaign, like last night, I worked quite a bit.
2:46:23And crack takes a lot of time.
2:46:27Gates has said that was just fine.
2:46:29She's fine.
2:46:31The way I look at it now, I have Rose, her, and the little one.
2:46:38That's the three.
2:46:39Now the question on Mascara, I think she's got two or three gigs, because she knows Chapin and all that.
2:46:49So she goes as his secretary, doesn't she?
2:46:54You're going to take Rose.
2:46:55Now who else?
2:46:56We don't take you as an individual.
2:46:57Who else are you going to take as a worker?
2:46:59Are you going to take Marge this time?
2:47:01Now, she's not worth a goddamn any more than roses, because they won't work for anybody else.
2:47:06All right, fine.
2:47:08How about taking the little girl?
2:47:10making a little girl go like this.
2:47:25You know, we're going to need, there's going to be quite a bit of work to do.
2:47:29I don't want a situation where Yates, she didn't complain and stuff, never had me, I don't know if she had anybody else, you know, and you told me that she was practically out on her feet and she came and was working on my rows and getting into rows and rows and hands.
2:47:35She never complained.
2:47:37There, there was never a beat by Yates.
2:47:38I was the one who was complaining.
2:47:38I understand that.
2:47:40I'm just telling you, work it out.
2:47:41And the best one to go, I have seen, is the little girl.
2:47:46Because she is so...
2:47:49I don't want to hear any calls, but... Hello?
2:48:00Yeah.
2:48:37I sent some talking points to Tricia.
2:48:41I don't know whether you got them yet.
2:48:45Well, some talking points to Tricia about Vietnam in case it kind of came up.
2:48:48And I told Rose to fire a copy to you.
2:48:51Because Tricia said she had to be on a program.
2:48:55And she said you want to say much, but you want to know what she could and couldn't say.
2:49:00So I covered it in a letter to her.
2:49:02So I fired it on to you.
2:49:02You got it good.
2:49:03As you told me last time, you really had a good day in Louisiana, didn't you?
2:49:05Yeah.
2:49:25Good turnout.
2:49:28Yeah.
2:49:28Great.
2:49:28Great.
2:49:29Well, he's a strong, good man.
2:49:33Good.
2:49:33Good.
2:49:34Good.
2:49:34Thank you.
2:49:50What a way to get across that.
2:49:57We should take it as a PR assignment.
2:50:08Now, if I could come to the domestic stuff, let's run over it quickly.
2:50:10Anything new on, uh, on, uh, uh, the strategy here?
2:50:11Johnny, you have a good response here.
2:50:12They're lining the thing, hanging on like a wood.
2:50:13Yes.
2:50:13Same line.
2:50:14Good.
2:50:14Same line.
2:50:14And, uh, we're gonna...
2:50:15We may lose the vote of the committee by the one vote of Scott's absence.
2:50:44Oh.
2:51:11Yeah, that's why you pulled out a presidential place.
2:51:38Yeah, I can't quite figure it out.
2:51:38We're back in the Supercomic.
2:51:41It's a strange thing.
2:51:56I didn't mean to sort it out.
2:51:58He didn't say that to me when I saw him.
2:52:01He broke into this house for dinner last night.
2:52:03He was great.
2:52:03Great evening and all that.
2:52:04John said he wondered at the time whether his day wasn't going to be bad, because he had a charge after the war that he was spending a lot of time with her in Melbourne, so he was very distressed about that.
2:52:21We had pretty badly chewed out after the guests went home last night.
2:52:28What is it?
2:52:33Well, I'm not sure.
2:52:34It had to do with- He called you?
2:52:41Well, he did a strange thing.
2:52:42What did he tell you?
2:52:44He called Joel Starling and blew up because it fits against the staff .
2:52:46He had been told that Johnny Walters had been brought in, was going to be brought in to greet the director.
2:53:02And he said, if you'd be the one around the trade area department, that's just fine.
2:53:06Who had done that?
2:53:07Well, what had happened is that they had developed an idea to try and publicize this total withholding question of having Walters go out to the press, have a picture, and then go out to the press and talk about a withholding.
2:53:14Well, they were carrying it with them.
2:53:15He misread the clearance.
2:53:24We're calling on the left with a message because he couldn't reach you as to whether this would be okay or not.
2:53:34In the meantime, Walters goes in and says, I'm going to go over and brief the director.
2:53:36That was before we got the message from the secretary.
2:53:38Why don't you take off and go over and see him right now?
2:53:39I'm doing good.
2:53:39I've had a long talk with him.
2:53:42I called him.
2:53:42I'll send you the area on the next time.
2:53:43And I just can't believe that he knows how to...
2:54:02There's more to it.
2:54:02He knows what a difficult time this is.
2:54:05He said...
2:54:05I think he's back again.
2:54:06I don't think there's anything he should do today.
2:54:07I was debating whether you want to do something about it today.
2:54:08He said he wouldn't come to the meeting.
2:54:11And I said, good, I'm glad the meeting is being held.
2:54:25I said, well, I can cancel the meeting.
2:54:25He says, oh, well, they need the meeting.
2:54:26They should have it.
2:54:27You can go ahead and have the meeting.
2:54:28I said, Mr. President, I know we'll not be able to consider anything here and there.
2:54:29He said, well, what are you going to tell them?
2:54:30I said, I don't know.
2:54:31I'll just cancel the meeting.
2:54:31And then we went through all this and said, I don't, please, I don't care.
2:54:42I don't think we should talk to the president.
2:54:58He's got all this on his mind.
2:54:59And I said, well, if you tell me not to talk to him, I won't.
2:55:01He says, no, it's up to you to decide what we should do.
2:55:02Yeah.
2:55:02The persecution complex thing.
2:55:03I know all those people are over there under the conspiracy to get me.
2:55:04And I know I won't.
2:55:05Who?
2:55:06Well, everybody now.
2:55:14He's got Kissinger, Hermia, NSCB, I don't know.
2:55:22Chilean, Chilean business of some kind.
2:55:23Well, there was no NSC meeting of NSC.
2:55:23For instance, they were there.
2:55:24I'm there.
2:55:24He was upset about that, and he was upset about this.
2:55:30He says we covered the facts, but there was no cabinet officer there.
2:55:34It was a Western meeting.
2:55:36Western.
2:55:41Okay, so he doesn't, he objects to anybody being involved in it.
2:55:54It's a Lyndon Johnson type thing.
2:55:54He blows his stock .
2:55:56And then Kurt Stein, running around trying to shoot him down and all these things.
2:55:58He said, all right, Kurt Stein, the reason for this strike is Kurt Stein.
2:56:01has an idea about this mid-year economic report.
2:56:15And he said, Schultz, do you have the sense to ask him if he'd talk to me about it?
2:56:18Stein said, no, so Schultz came over and talked to me about it.
2:56:19I said, well, that seems to me to show you how concerned everybody is to make sure that you are involved.
2:56:21He said, no, but it shows me that Herb Stein is trying to do the right thing right by my back.
2:56:24Stein didn't ask me alone to make your report.
2:56:35I know.
2:56:35Schultz knew he was going to raise it at the Tribune.
2:56:38Well, Tom, that's right.
2:56:38See, that's the point.
2:56:39Conley was to be there.
2:56:44Conley thinks he should have been discussed with him.
2:56:46Discussed with him first by Stein.
2:56:46Well, he was discussed with him first by Schultz.
2:56:48Has tried at least a half a dozen times to get an appointment with Conley on various things, and has none of that.
2:56:50I think he probably used it.
2:56:51I had a long session with him yesterday.
2:57:05He was very surprised when he saw me with this plane.
2:57:07He runs through these things on a day basis and now I've been watching him for 60 days.
2:57:10I remember I told you this was the, I don't know if you've probably done it, Irving has been told, you've told Schultz, and I tried it, and I got it, and I've never canceled it.
2:57:29I've seen it every week except last week, and he canceled it now, or did I?
2:57:33Did he cancel last week because of the sickness?
2:57:34Yes.
2:57:34All right.
2:57:34And he said, that's not a point you raised.
2:57:47I said, I'm not.
2:57:53Well, I do have .
2:57:54Well, he told me about that.
2:57:57I was going to raise that point.
2:57:57I didn't want to raise it to anybody else.
2:58:00It's like a high blood pressure.
2:58:00He takes his blood pressure three times a day, versus a hypochondriac, too.
2:58:02.
2:58:09.
2:58:10.
2:58:11.
2:58:12.
2:58:12.
2:58:13.
2:58:14.
2:58:18.
2:58:18.
2:58:18.
2:58:19.
2:58:26.
2:58:27Because not having him go to Canada, for Christ's sakes, he could have gone.
2:58:42There's been a rush of stories recently about how there's nothing going to make sense in Canada because the key thing between us and the Canadian economic economy is not going to be there, so there won't be any economic discussions.
2:58:46Colleagues, on Canada, I'm not going to let them discuss it for that reason, so that we can play the hand out, and I'm not going to say that Connolly will not be discussed with them.
2:59:01Yeah, that may be wrong.
2:59:02On the Canadian one, I don't, he wants to go.
2:59:04I'm going to tell Trudeau that Secretary Connolly will discuss these matters.
2:59:07There's going to be any doubt, and I'm going to give him a goddamn inch.
2:59:11We sent the speech over, too, so that was sent over to him.
2:59:15I just...
2:59:17You never know what gets to him and seems to run about every three months cycle.
2:59:29the next administration president.
2:59:39He had heard last week, so I don't think Congress, I don't think he thought that out before.
2:59:47Do you?
2:59:47No, I don't think so.
2:59:48I don't get that impression, because he kept talking about all the, how he would go any time he wanted, either after the dinner in Texas or before.
2:59:54Suppose he does go home.
3:00:08And he does it on the basis of help.
3:00:13But if it was a quid pro quo help, he would say that I'll...
3:00:26If he would, I believe it.
3:00:35That might not be all bad, because I'm not sure you can continue to pay the price of the nursing home.
3:00:44I can't.
3:00:45I'm trying.
3:00:46I've got Alex.
3:00:48I don't know whether Alex follows through on all these, but I'm sure he does.
3:00:51I don't recall.
3:00:51He does.
3:00:52to see that he goes to Camp David, offering Camp David, urging him to go, urging him to go to Portland.
3:01:11I've checked up on that.
3:01:11I've done it with Nellie.
3:01:12I've called Nellie independently.
3:01:12I said, I'm talking behind his back, but I was thinking maybe John has to be a racist, but the president wants him to get up to Camp David, use the camp and all that.
3:01:17He can get him to go to Detroit.
3:01:18Call her and tell her to use it this weekend.
3:01:19Now, would you know we're on that or not?
3:01:20That isn't the answer.
3:01:20It isn't that.
3:01:20And then they're going to make the difference.
3:01:21I appreciate that.
3:01:45I debated the conversation.
3:01:56I asked how he would come over.
3:01:56He said, no, it's not necessary.
3:02:00And so we thought he obviously didn't really want to talk.
3:02:01So I kind of kept talking on the phone.
3:02:02And I debated it.
3:02:04No, but Henry's been pretty good here.
3:02:10Henry told me he'd seen Connelly on Gooseby about something.
3:02:14He does, but I'll tell you, the guy is, he sees, he talked about seeing Connelly.
3:02:24Anything is done by this damn man this morning.
3:02:25I mean, I covered the facts with him.
3:02:26I mean, he just completely got in trouble and he didn't want to talk about that at all.
3:02:29What did he say about the town of Walters?
3:02:30coming to the meeting, which is why he was blowing up at the beginning of the meeting.
3:02:46And then he told her when he called in that this meeting had been scheduled.
3:02:50He didn't know what it was about.
3:02:51He didn't understand why there was a meeting anymore.
3:02:52I called Connelly.
3:02:53It was staff through.
3:02:53Charles talked to Connelly about it.
3:02:55Then Dave Parker, the scheduling office, checked all the principles, including Connelly personally.
3:02:58Then yesterday, before I raised it with you, I called, I was talking, Conley called me about something in the morning.
3:03:17I said, incidentally, we have this proposal.
3:03:18I understand that you've endorsed the idea.
3:03:19Conley said, yeah, I think that's a good idea.
3:03:19He said, unless the CDA wants to meet without us, they may want to meet with the president alone, without the truck at all.
3:03:22I said, no, the president, I'm sure, would rather have you there, at least in England.
3:03:24And I said, that's fine.
3:03:42And I reminded him of that today.
3:03:43I said, I understand from John that you were disturbed by this meeting.
3:03:44I don't understand that, because the deal with Paul, I talked to you yesterday about that.
3:03:46And he says, yeah, but I didn't know.
3:03:47Then he goes into this big, long thing about how you and I, the president and all of them, are his only two friends over here.
3:03:50And we've always done everything right, but it's these other people that we've been running around in this corner for so long and can't fight our own party.
3:03:53And do you think Henry has been able to talk to him enough?
3:04:11Do you?
3:04:11I don't know, Bob.
3:04:11Maybe that's scary.
3:04:12It hits so much heat on everybody.
3:04:13And they're checking, and they've done it.
3:04:13Also, it's hard for him.
3:04:14He is available.
3:04:14He claims he is, but he's not.
3:04:15He is for me, but he is for other people.
3:04:17Seriously, he made a really kind of turning on the offensive call on the half on the front of the day that I decided that I could do it later.
3:04:33And I had to wait until I was sure with the boss before he did.
3:04:39He's being childish, unreasonable.
3:04:42Take the example of Justin.
3:04:45Same to me, they're excuses rather than reasons.
3:04:58I think that's exactly it.
3:04:59The reason is something else.
3:05:00I'll be damned if I know what it is.
3:05:01Say what you need to know, but I don't want something to do with it.
3:05:03Are we doing enough socially for the commons?
3:05:17Well, for the small dinner.
3:05:23I can't do any more, can I?
3:05:27Well, good.
3:05:30Seeing her there for dinner, she spent most of the evening showing us pictures of the ranch and how beautiful it was on a small lap.
3:05:42Marilyn said last night at dinner, she spent most of the time showing us villas in Paris.
3:05:44She's got a big beach and a lot of villas in Paris.
3:05:57So, I don't know, I... See you later.
3:06:11I've gone.
3:06:14That's the point.
3:06:16I, I, I, but you know, I, I, I, I, I've done it.
3:06:29I can't do it again.
3:06:33I practically did it on the phone.
3:06:34He was going through all these things about how to go about leaving.
3:06:35And I said, John, that, that is the point.
3:06:36The point here is that you can't leave.
3:06:37You know?
3:06:39That's not because of what the occurrence would be if you leave.
3:06:57That doesn't make it the end of it.
3:06:58It's obviously that .
3:06:58There's too much to be done, and it's here for the rest of the year.
3:07:00And you're the only guy that .
3:07:04He knows, you know.
3:07:07and students over the weekend.
3:07:23He said, well, we all worked out.
3:07:27He said, there's no need.
3:07:27I'll talk to the president next week or something.
3:07:28By the way, I want to disagree with him before he can't help me.
3:07:29So I said, well, in that time, I wish he'd think about the whole thing, too, because it's just, you're going to have to go on flight.
3:07:33The way to solve the problem is not that.
3:07:34And I said, I went back on the flight.
3:07:35I talked to him three or four times a week.
3:07:36By my orders.
3:07:42All the time.
3:07:48You talked to my orders, Kissinger and Schultz?
3:07:56Yes, sir.
3:07:56If at any time there's any problem with the White House staff, what are you telling them?
3:07:58That I'm sure there will be problems on some terms, but you just tell them to take care of it.
3:08:00He said, no, I will.
3:08:01I was raising all these problems, which is what he's doing.
3:08:02And I said, John, that's what I'm here for.
3:08:03But it was a chance to solve it, but it was a long way.
3:08:17Good job.
3:08:26Good job.
3:08:33He has better judgment than the people in the White House.
3:08:40He doesn't want anybody here talking to any of his people.
3:08:43Maybe that's a mistake we made.
3:08:45They tried that.
3:08:53Copies of everything.
3:08:56They're super sensitive to all of this.
3:09:03They really are.
3:09:05What the hell's going to happen if you just have to talk to the board and do anything?
3:09:07Call the department.
3:09:08Use the department.
3:09:10Yeah.
3:09:42out of the school area.
3:10:29How about pushing Henry over there this afternoon to tell him about the Moscow thing?
3:10:48I know, but I feel pretty sure he's embarrassed.
3:10:52Because he blew up about this thing and spattered all over the landscape and then found out he was overreacting to a situation that didn't really... Johnny Waller.
3:11:04Yeah.
3:11:07And I think he was embarrassed about that.
3:11:16I have a recollection of one thing.
3:11:21I mentioned to him that internal revenue thing.
3:11:28Maybe he didn't like that.
3:11:41I think that's quite fine.
3:11:41Pure action.
3:11:44Well, there's another thing.
3:12:01The General Accounting Office guy, you know, has testified on the Hill yesterday that Crotty is guilty as a criminal.
3:12:08He knows J.A.O.
3:12:09We have nothing to do with that damn thing.
3:12:14That's part of the plot you get.
3:12:23See, that underlies all of this, at least what it says, this plot.
3:12:32If you believe there's a plot, hell, any of us could see all kinds of evidence.
3:12:35He may believe there's a plot, but there is no plot.
3:12:38We know the plot.
3:12:41A man in the White House who doesn't think he's a hell of an asset, and they all say it.
3:12:53I don't think it helps to tell them, too, that he's doing a great job.
3:12:58We do that all the time, don't we?
3:12:59We sure do.
3:12:59Call him up here every, you know, every speech he gives.
3:13:01This guy, I think, no reason we should do it, because he does deserve it.
3:13:04But we do do it.
3:13:08This is just taken for granted.
3:13:09And you...
3:13:10I probably haven't done enough.
3:13:25You've done so much more than could be expected.
3:13:27It's the operating stuff.
3:13:29It isn't the...
3:13:30I don't think there's anything you can do.
3:13:32Nothing I can do.
3:13:33I don't think there's a problem with anything you have failed to do at all.
3:13:53I don't think you haven't done more than you have made any difference.
3:13:54Well, I told him when I saw him in January that I'd shape up the staff, you see.
3:13:56Maybe he just figured that this was a problem.
3:13:57He has no basis for figuring that.
3:13:57He knows it.
3:13:58Maybe we haven't paid as we ought to pay our riders now.
3:14:02We can't do that.
3:14:22That's a mistake.
3:14:23Yeah, he's absolutely right.
3:14:23The press will go on all that time.
3:14:24All right.
3:14:24Thank you.
3:14:25Thank you.
3:14:33Good to know.
3:14:44Not surprising.
3:14:46Because he's kind of surprised me because he's got an erratic quality.
3:14:49I agree.
3:14:49I agree.
3:14:51It's a very emotional point that he's got.
3:14:52It's like, perhaps, how many people that are brave and calm are erratic.
3:14:57Yeah.
3:14:57Well, it's like him because he's got people that he goes through.
3:15:03Any other bad news?
3:15:22That was about to make me think about the following.
3:15:24I mean, you have to get rid of it all.
3:15:25Oh, that was a good question.
3:15:26Why did we do it all?
3:15:26That's because we thought it was going to be a lot.
3:15:27We have a certain right to consider everything.
3:15:28The ITT thing is our main plan.
3:15:30We've got to pay for it.
3:15:30We don't want to lose it.
3:15:31So we're doing some coaching.
3:15:33It's Vietnam.
3:15:42It's been handled well.
3:15:47It's been handled pretty well.
3:15:52It's been handled pretty good.
3:15:53They are getting their shit out and kicking around.
3:15:56But not very much.
3:15:59And then they did, and they thought it was going to hurt him.
3:16:13And people love it.
3:16:13I hope they had it on TV enough that they did.
3:16:16Long shot.
3:16:22I mean, when I say long shot, it's been all the time.
3:16:32It's a little bit better shot now.
3:16:34I mean, you know, every trip to Moscow has to be made by a long shot.
3:16:39You know what a Roger's like.
3:16:40He just gets the dot of death.
3:16:40He's like, bam.
3:16:41But on the other hand, I'm not going to tell you.
3:16:42I think I'm going to let you tell me.
3:16:43I'm just, if Roger Brooks picked with me out there that day at night in Chicago, hang shot me.
3:16:45I don't think you have to tell Rogers though until
3:17:14I'd like to stop there and wait for Monday.
3:17:27I'd say, although, what the hell time is it?
3:17:29Uncovered.
3:17:29It means Wednesday night.
3:17:34It's Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday.
3:17:37Oh, well, maybe you've got to tell Roger, because if Roger doesn't break, he doesn't see it.
3:17:41He is going to be really pissed off.
3:17:52I'll just say, look, he's on a covered trip right now.
3:18:01It's important for him.
3:18:02See, Henry will approach.
3:18:05The grill says, Henry will tell Rogers on Tuesday that he's going to meet with Narcy on Sunday, and that he's going to be gone over the weekend.
3:18:08He's going to take a long weekend off in order to have a cover.
3:18:09He's going to take a long weekend off to have a cover.
3:18:10And that's the deal.
3:18:11I think I ought to get Rogers.
3:18:20You see?
3:18:23Oh, everyone's entering the position alive.
3:18:24Let me make another suggestion.
3:18:25It would work much better with Rogers.
3:18:25Right.
3:18:25And I don't see why it's any worse than the other one.
3:18:27As for Henry, wait till the last second.
3:18:28And tell Rogers he's going to meet with him in Paris.
3:18:46And the president, I mean, remember that I sent a message and asked him to come to Moscow before that.
3:18:48And he's going to do that.
3:18:48And he's leaving tonight.
3:18:49OK.
3:18:49I'm not going to call you, which you'll understand.
3:18:50But you all take the call.
3:18:51Yeah.
3:18:51And you say, yes, that's right.
3:18:51And this is exactly the way it came about.
3:18:52Don't get up on him.
3:18:53And he didn't set it up.
3:18:53Henry has all along been working for another secret meeting with the North Indian media.
3:18:55No, we all say that the president sent a message to me.
3:18:57And the president sent a message to me saying he would like to talk about Vietnam.
3:19:14And I said, no.
3:19:18He said nothing to do with the summit.
3:19:19And I said, go right ahead.
3:19:20He's going to leave Wednesday night.
3:19:21And Henry took the seat.
3:19:22Henry tells him he's going to Paris and doesn't tell him about it.
3:19:25And I just think they're better off, it doesn't matter a lot, but it would be better if Henry just tells them the whole thing.
3:19:39I think we're going to tell them anyway.
3:19:40Will you be with Henry when you come?
3:19:42Well, that'll be better.
3:19:45And then, and he'll, Rogers will want to raise the subject with me about whether he goes.
3:19:47Well, since he's done, you know what I'm doing?
3:19:48Let's be happy then.
3:19:49So that we can tell him when it's too late for him to be here someplace.
3:19:52You know, I've authorized him to go.
3:19:53But he's the only one that wants to know.
3:19:56The Russians have guaranteed secrecy, and they want it secret because they're going to implicitly and maniacally just hold our weapons until we get it done.
3:20:14You want to talk to the committee?
3:20:30You want to be out there and be asked by Vietnam?
3:20:37Or would you agree with that?
3:20:38Huh?
3:20:38You don't want to be out there?
3:20:43They won't know it's Thursday.
3:21:01They'll be gone right after the end of this thing.
3:21:09That's another good reason to go to Camp David, rather than Florida.
3:21:20If I go to Florida without hemorrhaging, you know, maybe it was the Bactitas in Washington or there.
3:21:29Or is it?
3:21:30I think at Camp David.
3:21:32If you go to Florida, pull the person out of here.
3:21:33Pull them out of here and forget about them.
3:21:35They don't ask.
3:21:57No.
3:22:01They know they're trying on trips and so forth.
3:22:12I'm afraid that Henry has to go.
3:22:13Of course, Henry's afraid that if he tells them Wednesday that Roger's going to...
3:22:21How would you do it?
3:22:37It's too late.
3:22:41He had already approved the version.
3:22:44He's got to know.
3:22:46Nobody else wants to know.
3:22:48You said that all you're requesting is that you know about these things so that you don't get caught not knowing how you know.
3:22:57The point is, if you're going to raise a bus ride, then that's the argument for your not knowing.
3:23:04I hear you.
3:23:13I'm going down there.
3:23:19I won't see him.
3:23:23At this point, at this point, he knows that we're doing it.
3:23:32We don't tell Henry about it.
3:23:34He just said, what he's going for is deception.
3:23:41Why don't you and Adele go down and they both read it.
3:23:43And at that time, you can see on the damn good cover of everything, you'll be in Florida.
3:24:06We're pulling, we're pulling news from Florida, NYC.
3:24:07Does that raise the question of any more than it does?
3:24:08Some people say it was history, but I don't know.
3:24:09I'm not sure.
3:24:10I'm thinking of comments that I read when I go to Canada.
3:24:12It should have been raised with intent, but I understand that you didn't.
3:24:22You see, the trouble is, it shows you the problem.
3:24:23I just didn't raise it with me, because I thought somebody else would discuss it about that.
3:24:27I think we should, if that question ever is raised in any way, why is it that we just should say that I don't want to discuss with Trudeau, but I want Connolly to handle that one, and that's what I'm going to tell Trudeau.
3:24:49That's in my talking points, as a matter of fact.
3:24:50I don't care what he, Connolly, has to say.
3:24:51And this is why I kind of wondered if maybe that was the problem today.
3:24:54He said the other things are off.
3:25:12He told me about that.
3:25:13And he was totally disenchanted with that.
3:25:21He doesn't, in any of this, have the evidence of one iota of wavering in his commitment to you.
3:25:23Only in his working relationship
3:25:25All right.
3:25:51Maybe he's concerned about not going into the space shuttle.
3:26:10Do you see that, maybe?
3:26:11I forget what it's about.
3:26:11Okay.
3:26:11Sam, Joe keeps saying how they've done a lot of things, and he really wants to be in there.
3:26:13That's actually the best he does.
3:26:14But that knows he can't be.
3:26:14Who wants to be with Joe?
3:26:15Hello?
3:26:15Yeah, I know.
3:26:15Got to hurry.
3:26:18John, often the Attorney General, the best qualified man, but when I spoke to him about it yesterday, he knows, he could no more, if he could no more have said, it would be, he would open up the whole can of worms.
3:26:33He could do it next time, but not now.
3:26:39Asking John to deal with the reactions of all the leaders of the one-pager vote.
3:27:02He needs to make a point to get on the one-pager once a week.
3:27:04And the opinion is going to go ahead and mine this up.
3:27:05But I noticed that there was a lot of public consent in some chapters.
3:27:06It's just like this one.
3:27:08Before I get off the can, I had a couple of things that you might go through in your mind.
3:27:30You know, would you, uh...
3:27:51I saw this thing, and there was something about these... On the other hand...
3:27:53has it not provided an opportunity, and this is the second point, for us to be on a damn good one-pager on crime.
3:28:06We have a good record in crime.
3:28:07This, it seems to me, is directed toward
3:28:09sort of a permissive idea for crime.
3:28:24Am I wrong?
3:28:27Am I correct?
3:28:28Rehab at rehab and minimum wage for prisoners.
3:28:32Jesus Christ, that's a great thing.
3:28:33Is that a great one?
3:28:34Well, I don't know.
3:28:34And I imagine it was promoted by somebody up there.
3:28:36I was rather surprised that McGregor wouldn't know about it or talk to him about it.
3:28:43Okay, all right, I think we ought to go.
3:28:57Now, could I suggest, you know, the reaction of people like Margaret Smith, when they're so good with the one major idea, would you say that maybe twice a week,
3:29:06Or certainly once a week, a good one-pager goes up.
3:29:14Now, incidentally, the one-pager shouldn't be under the subject each time.
3:29:19Maybe it's because if you read, go back, hit again, like the food price thing, hit again, et cetera, et cetera.
3:29:30Get into the idea.
3:29:30I mean, .
3:29:32You see, from now on, for elections, once a week I get out basically what is a, you know, sort of a sheet like that.
3:29:51The one-pager is infinitely better than the big books and studies and all that sort of thing.
3:29:55But if you would do that in a given speech material for the week, all right, hot for the week.
3:29:57Right, right, right.
3:29:58What the hell is the matter with Hesper?
3:30:18And we simply apply this.
3:30:23That's pretty good.
3:30:44Very well put.
3:30:52and align what we are for and what we are against.
3:31:10So you say, I have no lack of confidence in the position we've taken.
3:31:14It's just a goddamn hard thing to do.
3:31:15In fact, you've got this enormous media problem and establishment problem working in the other direction, correct?
3:31:21So what do you have to do?
3:31:35So what do you have to do to end the constitutional amendment?
3:31:41Yeah, I get it.
3:31:41Okay.
3:31:41What's that?
3:31:44He's got it all down.
3:31:45Now he's, you've got him, Colson, and McGregor working closely now.
3:31:48They're all in good contact.
3:31:48He said he'd talk to Colson about this.
3:31:50I haven't had the time to better Dr. Colson lately or McGregor.
3:31:56He's been at play for a while.
3:31:58I'm leaving at least John's.
3:31:59I mean, it's a very good excuse.
3:32:10I'm putting it to John for the reason that, I mean, and I'm very good at Colson.
3:32:11I'm very good at the reason that he's there.
3:32:12And I will be there.
3:32:13I will do it.
3:32:13Do you agree with me?
3:32:13Sure.
3:32:13Good.
3:32:14There's no problem with that.
3:32:15Yeah.
3:32:15Then they'll work with John.
3:32:29Very good money.
3:32:39Gets John in charge.
3:32:39He could, to a degree, spend...
3:32:41We've got four issues.
3:32:54Spend a week, a month on each issue.
3:32:57Keep cycling.
3:33:03And keep the others kicking while he's out of it.
3:33:04Concentrate on one.
3:33:04That's the real mind job.
3:33:05He's got a lot of good ideas, drive, and everything else.
3:33:06He's just weak to this.
3:33:07He's getting out of it.
3:33:07And he'll delegate.
3:33:07He'll delegate to Cole and Schultz.
3:33:09Just show us a little more of what you do.
3:33:26Always there.
3:33:27But I have to see what you're saying.
3:33:45I just can't let the other things interfere with that, because the other things may still be in Vietnam and other countries, and that's the whole point.
3:33:50It's not that hard to understand, because the Commonwealth still has a lot of responsibility to allow these things to come up at this time.
3:33:54I really feel that.
3:33:54I'm not quite appreciative of this type of action at this point.
3:33:55Which means, on the other hand, that even if she does know that, there must be something very deep at the bottom, very deep.
3:34:15Either that, or there's this material thing that shoots up and down, like Cotton has done it, where he sort of overreacts a little bit.
3:34:24He's very mad, very fast, gets over it, and moves on to the next step.
3:34:44It's happening.
3:34:45I've got control of the big gun man.
3:34:45He's not going to resign.
3:34:46He's looking through it.
3:34:46He's stirring it in quite a few times.
3:34:47He's just stirring it.
3:34:48He's stirring it up.
3:34:48He's trying to keep it from breaking.
3:34:51But you have my head on your nose.
3:34:52You've got to go more time to it, and that's it.
3:34:53No club.
3:34:54Maybe in terms of getting other people cranked better.
3:35:00Yeah, I don't think he will anymore.
3:35:02But I may come.
3:35:05I may.
3:35:05He will talk to you.
3:35:06So you call him and say, look, Stein's got a secret on this man.
3:35:21You call him.
3:35:21Hello.
3:35:22I suppose it's because you think Canadians are trying to make peace with Canadians and Europeans.
3:35:39I mean, you see, a lot of guys are distressed with his policy.
3:35:41A lot of them think he's doing the wrong thing.
3:35:44And they say something.
3:35:44Now, I would assume he wants it, but maybe he doesn't.
3:35:45Maybe he doesn't want it here, and he's not very good.
3:35:46You say it to him, which is what I would think he would want.
3:35:48Now, rather than running around and saying it somewhere else,
3:35:51I'm afraid I've never been up there before.
3:36:11I wouldn't ask off to speak.
3:36:11Well, this idea of having, what she's now broken into, of having a girl there each time, and just hanging on the line in the groves, and if she wants to go, she can go.
3:36:16I heard others say, is that where it got her at?
3:36:18I was supposed to offer her this, and she wanted to go.
3:36:35She was on the first signing of the law, and one of the copies of it was to be addicted over the weekend.
3:36:37So she should have.
3:36:38It may be a little bit of time.
3:36:38In fact, she already had it.
3:36:39She wasn't complaining about it.
3:36:41There was no indication that she was going to go.
3:36:42So we're just good.
3:36:42You know, here's about how to handle a comment.
3:36:56We've learned how to handle it.
3:36:57Well, it started with the CMOs.
3:36:58This is finally got to its climax.
3:36:58I mean, Henry's great credit.
3:36:59Once he got over it, he went over the break.
3:37:05It's just that...
3:37:06He finally made up his mind and that was it.
3:37:13I thought Tommy had to make up his mind.
3:37:14I thought Tommy had to do it.
3:37:17So if I should have more than one day, then we'd look into it.
3:37:41That's the problem.
3:37:42Let's talk about .
3:37:42Sure.
3:37:42He doesn't do it.
3:37:43He says, I have a question.
3:37:43I've got various things come up, and I run them by him.
3:37:44Like when he came down high, he said, I .
3:37:45That's the world we live in.
3:37:46That's the world we live in.
3:37:47Really?
3:37:48A long time ago.
3:37:51Is that right?
3:37:55Yeah.
3:37:55But plus just really shaking to see you being the center of the B-52s out there and not have somebody turning the white house down.
3:38:08Right.
3:38:08And they come.
3:38:09They come.
3:38:09I don't think they should.
3:38:09But if you'd gone through that.
3:38:11Unfortunately, Eastern Vacation is over.
3:38:12And what is their march?
3:38:13Step 4?
3:38:13Yeah.
3:38:14Center.
3:38:15It's a goddamn good time to be out of town.
3:38:25I know it is to be out of town.
3:38:29But I'll hold Florida open if I still can.
3:38:30Billy Graham said it would be
3:38:32In his mind, the greatest coup and the only really significant factor in the entire Russian trip would be .
3:38:50He said, I don't know what it would do in Russia.
3:38:51It might be harmful.
3:38:51But he said, the signal, not just in this country, but that would be the most important thing.
3:38:55He said, that's what you really got to look at is the effect in this country.
3:38:57I think with that, that Henry ought to be able to work about it.
3:38:58And it is our custom to go to church.
3:38:59And we just want to go by each other.
3:39:00He said, also, the signal that they make in the captive nations would just demonstrate to the Russians
3:39:12But the Russians would thereby demonstrate to the world that they were a cheap shot, that they had so-called freedom.
3:39:37Everybody has done that, but I can see the argument there.
3:39:38In Russia, being there as long as you are, I don't think it would disturb them all that much.
3:39:40It's not a Baptist church.
3:39:42.
3:39:47.
3:39:58.
3:40:10.
3:40:12six or eight services and the servant could be assured .
3:40:39He was practically ecstatic about it.
3:40:54He said, you can't do that.
3:40:59In fact, that would happen in this country.
3:41:01One star people.
3:41:02I'll be damned if I know it.
3:41:02You know, well, this is part of the problem.
3:41:03I'm sure it is.
3:41:03I think we've got a ride out the week, and I have a feeling it's going to be different.
3:41:13Mr. Brown, I don't know if he will, but you spoke to this.
3:41:29No, he's done it before.
3:41:29Not that far.
3:41:29Yes, he has.
3:41:30Way back, the first time he was born, I thought he was.
3:41:31Oh, yeah, and then he never raised his hand again.
3:42:14As you told all the other students, I'm just telling them.
3:42:20All right, all right.
3:42:20It doesn't sound serious.
3:42:21I don't know, sure.
3:46:23Could you shake them up a little?
3:46:31Yes, Mr. President.
3:46:32Two things.
3:46:35They insist that they want to go ahead.
3:46:46They say that Morelli stood down in the assets.
3:46:47Proof-based.
3:46:47Proof-based.
3:46:48Morder and lay.
3:46:48Overrulier.
3:46:48Yes.
3:46:48They want to force you if you want to cancel it.
3:46:49I don't want to cancel it.
3:46:50But I said you don't want to overrule the point.
3:46:51I just...
3:46:51I want to have it.
3:46:52But if I...
3:46:52I'd like to go over and take a briefing on the military situation.
3:47:05It will take me ten more minutes, Mr. President, but then I'll know what I'm talking about.
3:47:10What is more, Laird?
3:47:11What do they say about the existing?
3:47:12What does Laird say?
3:47:13Laird does.
3:47:14I thought he was in on the conspiracy.
3:47:15He probably is, but he always plays both sides.
3:47:16Laird says any field commander will always scream,
3:47:18You should give him three times as many legs if you take care of him away.
3:47:30He'll still scream.
3:47:30He says that's a typical feel for a man's reaction.
3:47:32Well, you didn't get a sense of that, did you?
3:47:33Oh, yes.
3:47:34I said we won't do that tomorrow.
3:47:35Good.
3:47:35You get the message?
3:47:35Oh, yes.
3:47:37I think you ought to let them go ahead because those strikes would be ways to... All right, let them go.
3:47:48We need them today.
3:47:48We need them because of the brief.
3:47:50You and I are aware of it now, and if it loses the battle, the battle may be lost anyway.
3:47:53I don't think these two strikes are not going to lose this battle.
3:47:58All right.
3:47:58They had a briefing there for me also on that bombing, on the shelling of .
3:48:06I'll be back in 15 minutes if we can hold up.
3:48:10Want me to hear it?
3:48:12Let me see what it is and then I'll bring it in.
3:48:13Okay.
3:59:54where I was.
4:00:06He played golf all the time.
4:00:08Well, I know he asked me if I had passed any messages to Goodreads.
4:00:22I don't know if I had any of those messages.
4:00:23I don't think so.
4:00:23I'll say I've seen Goodreads, and he'll see Goodreads.
4:00:25He probably disapproved at the time.
4:00:36I don't care about it.
4:00:36Now, the following has happened, Mr. President.
4:00:39The North Vietnamese have called the public, have said they've passed us a private message asking for a meeting on the 27th.
4:00:45They have what?
4:00:45They have put this out.
4:00:46Yeah, asking what type of meeting on the 27th.
4:01:01They didn't say anything about the private meeting.
4:01:02They played the same game.
4:01:04You haven't told Bill about the private meeting.
4:01:06I don't tell him.
4:01:06I don't tell him about that.
4:01:06No, I told you nothing.
4:01:07I don't want him to know about the private meeting thing, that it's on and off.
4:01:09Because he'll say, well, the reason we did it is because of what Porter said or what I said or something.
4:01:12Now, screw that.
4:01:12That isn't the reason.
4:01:12Oh, that's the reason.
4:01:13Then so the court has said, if we go to a public meeting without having nailed out the private meetings, they're going to kill us.
4:01:29Because then they will have to plan an exception.
4:01:33Then they'll say, unless we stop the bombing, then they'll cancel the private session in the end.
4:01:37His suggestion, of which I agree, is that we promise them to come to the private meeting if they come on the 24th, and then we will come to the public meeting.
4:01:44If they come undefended votes, we'll try to get another vote back.
4:02:01We'll try to make that vote go ahead at all costs.
4:02:02We'll go through Roger's channel.
4:02:03No.
4:02:03No, I thought we'd put it on the security line.
4:02:04All right.
4:02:04Would you tell us to do that?
4:02:05No, he doesn't do that.
4:02:06It's a lot of fun.
4:02:07So if they want to have a private meeting on the 24th, we'll come to talk to them.
4:02:21And they'll come back and offer .
4:02:23Then I should go, but until then, this afternoon, the ring's gone, or if you go back to my house, cut it off, the freedom is out.
4:02:30So yes, we have to .
4:02:31No.
4:02:31No, I don't think they're motivated by this.
4:02:33My Vietnamese expert, who works on these things, says their problem about the private meetings for deductible travel without having the excuse of having had a public meeting is an enormous humiliation.
4:02:53Now, that is a part of the truth, but we are not interested in this now.
4:02:56Incidentally, I've just had a briefing on the military situation, and Mark is still holding
4:03:00I don't know how much we've been lying to the military.
4:03:10The military has been lying to all administrations for years.
4:03:14I agree.
4:03:14I can't.
4:03:15I don't want to lie either way.
4:03:15I can't tell you, Mr. President, other than
4:03:17And I question that.
4:03:24Who do you question?
4:03:27They have the parties.
4:03:28No, they have, I don't want to talk more against it than somebody else.
4:03:33And I've talked to the guy that was at the board.
4:03:34There's the head of the plans division who saw it too.
4:03:36He says they're still holding out.
4:03:37They're still holding out.
4:03:38And that they now have prisoners who say that they always are, if they don't make it in the next 36 hours, they should be strong.
4:03:42That is almost close.
4:03:46Are we or are we not bombing in the area?
4:03:47That's the best way.
4:03:48What in the Christ is the fucking Air Force doing?
4:03:51That's what I want to know.
4:03:52They give you numbers absurdly, but what are they hitting?
4:03:53Oh, I know.
4:03:54They said they had 300 bodies.
4:03:55You told me that 300-body story four different times.
4:03:59I know.
4:04:01Just saying, 300 bodies.
4:04:04I don't know, but they claim that I'm sick of the Air Force.
4:04:06What we have is a disaster.
4:04:07It's a beast.
4:04:09When we get a new tree for the airport, which we're going to have to get next year anyway, because Ryan's doing stuff, we have to get these planes to do stuff, Mr. President.
4:04:23These high-performance planes can't build a car that fast.
4:04:24If it weren't for the people who do this, that's the one thing.
4:04:28That's why he didn't rock his concrete.
4:04:33He was trying to suck out the concrete.
4:04:36Yeah, he was standing considerate about it.
4:04:37I mean, he didn't just want to get the president to get rid of the Russians.
4:04:39Well, he wants to know what the hell he's doing.
4:04:41He's afraid he'll be getting another massive move.
4:05:47We look under the subject.
4:05:54If they come on this many boats, we'll try to get another boat back.
4:06:05We'll try to get you back on.
4:06:06Go ahead and hold a pause.
4:06:07We'll go through Roger's channel.
4:06:08No.
4:06:08I thought we could put it on the security line.
4:06:09All right.
4:06:09Would you tell us to do that?
4:06:10No, he doesn't do that.
4:06:11It's a lot of fun.
4:06:13So if they want to have a private meeting on the 24th, we'll come to talk to them.
4:06:27And they'll come back tomorrow.
4:06:28Then I should call, but until then, this afternoon, you're in the car.
4:06:30If you go back tomorrow, it's kind of up to freedom.
4:06:35It's out.
4:06:36So yes, we have to do it.
4:06:36No, no, I don't have to do it.
4:06:37I don't have to do it.
4:06:39My Vietnamese expert, who works on these things, says their problem about deprivation for deductible travel without having been excused, apparently, had about a couple of feet in misery.
4:07:00Enormous remuneration.
4:07:00Now, that is a far truth, but we are not interested in this now.
4:07:02Incidentally, I've just had a briefing on the military situation.
4:07:03And Mark is still holding...
4:07:05You've got to be sure.
4:07:15I don't know how much we've been lied to in the military.
4:07:17The military's been lying to all administrations for years.
4:07:19I agree.
4:07:19And I can't, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to lie either way.
4:07:21I can't tell you, Mr. President, other than
4:07:22And I question that.
4:07:31Who do you question?
4:07:33They have the .
4:07:34I don't want to talk more against it than somebody else.
4:07:38And I've talked to the guy who said that there's the head of the plans division who saw it too.
4:07:41He says they're still holding out.
4:07:42They're still holding out.
4:07:43And that they now have prisoners who say that they always are.
4:07:45If they don't take it in the next 36 hours, they should be strong.
4:07:47That is almost close.
4:07:49Are we or are we not bombing in the area?
4:07:53That's the best way.
4:07:54What in the Christ is the fucking Air Force doing?
4:07:58That's what I want to know.
4:07:59They give you numbers of sorties, but what are they hitting?
4:08:00Oh, I know.
4:08:01They said they had 300 bodies.
4:08:02You told me that 300-body story four different times.
4:08:08I know.
4:08:08Just saying, 300 bodies.
4:08:09I don't know, but they claim that...
4:08:11I'm sick of the Air Force.
4:08:12Oh, the Air Force.
4:08:12It's a disaster.
4:08:13It's a beast.
4:08:15When we get a luxury for the airport, which we're going to have to get next year anyway, because Ryan's turned up, we have to get these planes to be done, Mr. President.
4:08:28These high-performance planes can't get a job at that time.
4:08:30If it weren't for the people at the Blues, that's the one thing.
4:08:33That's why he didn't rock his concrete.
4:08:41He was trying to suck out dirt.
4:08:45Yeah, that he was very considerate about it.
4:08:49I mean, he didn't just wonder if the president was getting through to the Russians.
4:08:52Well, he wants to know what the hell are we doing.
4:08:54He's afraid we're preparing another massive move that makes him look like a jerk.
4:08:56Well, we're going to have to talk about this thing tonight, if it goes on.
4:08:58Well, I was going to go ahead and do it.
4:08:59You told Larry to talk.
4:08:59Yeah.
4:08:59Oh, good.
4:08:59Well, I mean, before we leave that,
4:09:01And I want to ask, is the move tonight going on with Laird and Moore?
4:09:20I agree.
4:09:21Did Laird, did Laird, now you understand, Abrams here is simply making a record in case he doesn't win in the South.
4:09:25He'll say that, well, does Laird know that he's making a record?
4:09:27Mr. President, I thought that this weekend group, the average number of soldiers he flew every day going to battle when there was nothing going on,
4:09:32And, uh, so that just isn't a good idea.
4:09:47They're beginning now to wind up the old fine department.
4:09:50They're starting, uh, they're gonna have demonstrations in France over the weekend.
4:09:52And we're gonna get the same stuff, yeah, the same stuff that Johnson got.
4:09:56And, uh, I'm just surprised.
4:10:17I wish we had made it tougher to hit them, too, but they got out.
4:10:18Yeah, they got out of the grass.
4:10:18I know it's impressive, but it's tough.
4:10:19Who did that?
4:10:20Alex Johnson.
4:10:20Oh, and that's how they decided on how it was going to go.
4:10:22They have never been able to pay a result that we might focus on, and they want to be on the good side.
4:10:43I know they've expended their credit to them.
4:10:44Well, we've got to punish the French sometimes.
4:10:46Yes, and I'd like to send a message that says, say, people come on the 27th.
4:10:48Certainly, if there is a private meeting, we ought to send it to a private meeting on the 24th, right?
4:10:50That's correct.
4:10:51.
4:10:52.
4:11:01.
4:11:03.
4:11:04.
4:11:05.
4:11:05.
4:11:20.
4:11:23I find it's just not a good target to enable gunfire because the worthwhile targets are deep inside the channel.
4:11:38I can show you.
4:11:40But they fired 3,000 rounds in this area that you ordered yesterday, and that's pretty massive.
4:11:48And, of course, they're going to get 10 more destroyed than on Monday, all of which are going to go up in that general gun.
4:11:58I think, and they ran the same last night.
4:12:02No, and you were the fact that we're close enough.
4:12:09No, you see, the purpose of that is, I was considering it as a faintness.
4:12:16It was a faint before, but in essence, it's basically a ball.
4:12:18It's a, look, goddammit, if you don't screw, or if you keep screwing around here, we're going to lock in.
4:12:23And then we would, because it was well done.
4:12:25My worry was that they made a separate expedition of it.
4:12:32What they did was they shelled town water, which is 50 miles out and 60 miles out, moved north and on the way back shelled it again.
4:12:48So it looked just like the same operation.
4:12:50Right.
4:12:50If we hold it and lock, Mr. President, if they pull off and lock, then we can raise it again.
4:12:57Now that the whole Air Force Airborne Brigade is moving, what is our Air Force doing?
4:13:11Are we using our massive air there rather than farting around all over now?
4:13:16We're counting.
4:13:17If you look at the plot, in fact, the whole area of Adelaide, they show me every plot now.
4:13:20It's just one big blotch of red.
4:13:25And they had, I think, 32 boxes in there.
4:13:32I think, Mr. President, the way he was in your office that day, it isn't any designable objection to anything.
4:13:44The one thing is, since this thing started, until Friday, I have not had a single phone call from him.
4:13:52And it's just not right, basically, that the Secretary of State and his president is taking this... And particularly because we are consulting with his other people.
4:14:04He knows damn well it's up to him.
4:14:06And he should be out front preaching.
4:14:07He hasn't briefed anybody, has he?
4:14:09No, but...
4:14:10He hasn't said a word.
4:14:11But we've got to stay out front because McCloskey's going to be taking preaching.
4:14:14We write it for him, but he's doing it.
4:14:15So they can't say, it says, well, Roger doesn't care about the state.
4:14:36He cares about himself.
4:14:36That's exactly right.
4:14:37So coming back to the composition care, it's really where our cards are.
4:14:39We will do this to have a private meeting.
4:14:40That's Porter's advice.
4:14:40Porter does not believe you should have a public meeting.
4:14:42Porter will now talk.
4:14:43So basically, he just feels that we'd be in a bad position.
4:14:56I can get this message .
4:14:57is that if we have a private, public meeting, they will immediately attack our .
4:15:04They will then threaten to call off the planned recessions if we don't start the .
4:15:08And secondly, they will threaten, then they will cancel the private meeting on the ground
4:15:12of the bombing.
4:15:19Now, my view is also, Mr. President, that the public, that if we... Just give them a four if we take them on the bombing.
4:15:31They have a two.
4:15:32It also means two.
4:15:32If we agree to a private meeting on May 7th or May 6th or 7th or 8th at that time, it will be two weeks.
4:15:35They say they're ready on May 6th or after.
4:15:38The trouble is, it will put us
4:15:39two weeks before the summit.
4:15:50We could lose a plausible threat then.
4:15:56So it's rather cleverly chosen.
4:15:58They will probably give us something in that meeting that at least keeps us going to another meeting.
4:16:01By that time, we're in June, because then we have to go to Russia, and you've got the Democratic Convention.
4:16:06And then you've got the Democratic Convention coming.
4:16:07And then you have got the Russians as eager to help us.
4:16:09The situation is basically this.
4:16:13Now, here you mentioned about the demonstrations and so forth and so on.
4:16:20What the hell difference does that make?
4:16:24The bombing demonstrations and so forth.
4:16:26Is that anything new?
4:16:26They never affected us beforehand.
4:16:29We've had it on Latin, but it's not on those.
4:16:40No.
4:16:41What I meant is, as a creation of Canada or France, England, Stockholm, burned the embassies and all the rest.
4:16:52So they're going to have it, right?
4:16:53So what do you think?
4:16:53We should just stop bombing because of that?
4:16:54Absolutely.
4:16:55That's what we cannot do.
4:16:55It's left to gradually keep us fixed.
4:16:56But we think that Johnson never did well.
4:16:57That what killed Johnson is
4:16:59that he seemed to be, how can you tell Rogers I know he seemed to be fixed and didn't have a position?
4:17:13He seemed to be reluctant to negotiate.
4:17:15We've been in the great position that we've always seemed tactically flexible.
4:17:18So right now you're concerned that Rogers is, and maybe that's a good point, that we're being boxed in on that point a little bit, right?
4:17:23Well, that's probably true.
4:17:25Yeah, but I am against going to a plan of accession under these conditions when they are violating the understanding.
4:17:40When they are violating the understanding of this, the plan of accession is better, isn't it?
4:17:42Right.
4:17:42Oh, yeah.
4:17:43He'll play along.
4:17:45How is Laird going to be telling them what to talk about?
4:18:04Oh, I have no doubt that they're going to have a bloody session supporting each other.
4:18:09We'll probably have to do president against each other, against us, against him.
4:18:10Laird?
4:18:11Goddamn him.
4:18:11None of them.
4:18:11Laird now says we panic when we get people to match his reports, and we should have just ignored the end of his report.
4:18:15In other words, Blair's now in a position of saying, oh, yeah, all right.
4:18:36And Laird is also in a position of saying, it doesn't matter.
4:18:37It's going to go back down both ways.
4:18:38Or you'll say that's a rock.
4:18:39It's a rock.
4:18:39So it's going to raise a lot of problems.
4:18:40And if they both say it's going to be 52 things, it's going to raise a lot of problems.
4:18:42But if one does it, it's a lot of trouble.
4:18:43Because it's further off.
4:18:53Let me tell you about the blockade.
4:19:07In my view, if we're going to do it, we've got to do it very soon or we will not have the support for it.
4:19:15And that support runs out as time goes on.
4:19:17In fact, we probably should have done it this week.
4:19:20You know, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm speaking in terms of having public support in the United States.
4:19:35The support can run out if the blockade comes at a time that a disaster is impending in the South, and people know it.
4:19:41Or when riots are going on here, then it looks like an act of desperation.
4:19:43But if we can move before a fever of those things happens,
4:19:46then we might have a great deal of public support for it, for a while.
4:19:57See, that's my reasoning for doing it sooner rather than later.
4:20:04The second point is that that could be an argument for Europe going to the Soviet Union, even though they know the meeting on the 24th.
4:20:10The idea being that with the condition that the primary subject for discussion is Vietnam, unless there is something possibly tangible to offer, the president is going to take action.
4:20:27And at that time, you would tell him
4:20:29The way to do that, if I play out that scenario, I thought of it.
4:20:50It was one of the things I had in mind.
4:20:51But I would say that the Vietnam case must be reversed agenda.
4:20:53There must be concrete problems.
4:20:54If there is no complete progress on it, I would refuse to go on to summit the agenda item.
4:21:07If there is complete progress on it, I would be entitled and empowered to discuss some of the agenda item.
4:21:12But the progress cannot be an agreement at all.
4:21:16It must be a precise description of how the world will come to land, how the world will come to land.
4:21:20not get an agreement so that they will deliver a solidly .
4:21:43Second point.
4:21:43.
4:21:43Second point is that it also has the advantage that we have .
4:21:46Well, that brings me to the second point.
4:21:52On that basis, then you go.
4:22:01You have to figure that.
4:22:07You have to look at the hard ones, which would be that if we don't get it in on Vietnam, except, you know, a discussion or something like that, sorry, on the South Indian coast,
4:22:18whether we really can still go to the summit.
4:22:31They're going to have to make, we're going to have to make an evaluation.
4:22:38It may be, it may be that we may still go.
4:22:39In other words, I'm going to put it this way.
4:22:40As I was going to the summit, I said, we cannot go.
4:22:41We cannot go.
4:22:42We could go, we could go, and I'll make this concession.
4:22:46If the situation is still in flux,
4:22:47With the understanding that we will discuss it at the summit and something is going to come out of it on the summit.
4:22:57But there's our problem there.
4:22:58Now, the point that I make is that if you're going, they want the summit, they want it back.
4:23:05And you're going to, of course, hold over their heads the, not only the blockade, which is going to worry them, but the German thing is going to, I'll send that around the question.
4:23:19We'll just tell Marshall and the rest of them how we're going to do it.
4:23:23Do you agree?
4:23:27No.
4:23:27That means we have to get it done as soon as possible.
4:23:31Another reason for going.
4:23:34So, as distinguished from the swine, the swine defense would probably, to them, should be, that if you would just, like the president has now changed his opinion, the directions are directed as follows, that
4:24:05I should say this.
4:24:22They have to invest down on what they've done this whole time.
4:24:27The, uh, would you tell them about the rigmarole and what?
4:24:30Fine.
4:24:30That is, all right, that is fine.
4:24:31They have to invest down on what they've done this whole time.
4:24:33the transistency of these questions about the utility of my trip to Moscow.
4:24:51I should be buried, but... Secondly, the President had turned down originally a meeting in Moscow simply to prepare the summit for reasons that he has his plan to listen to, to agree.
4:24:58And now going to Moscow, it is... to discuss with you now, and in production, and also to be authorized to discuss with you now.
4:25:02We have offered the south region and the north region the same meeting.
4:25:17Again, we are doing our best for the 24th with the promise of coming on the 27th.
4:25:25And we are prepared to make that announcement before the 24th.
4:25:29Secondly, we have to have a clear understanding before I come to Moscow that some country properties will be made.
4:25:32to us a rapid act of the Vietnam War.
4:25:52And before the President can do his final approval of the country, he would like to hear the Soviet response to this, to this, and this.
4:25:57So, you know, the response to me is that you've got to make your final decision.
4:25:58It's a good report, I would say.
4:25:59It would be that...
4:26:01It's the case in terms of saying that this is the same with the blockade that's brought upon the church.
4:26:24I don't mean all over, but I mean right now.
4:26:24I go in, but I love it.
4:26:25Except in the battle areas, you see.
4:26:26And the media is part of it.
4:26:27Meeting those media is part of the battle areas.
4:26:28And I thought that's what I meant.
4:26:30You would stop only arms, not food, medical supplies, right?
4:26:43You can say that, medical supplies, sure.
4:26:44President, I know they came at you with something that's just as good, though.
4:26:46Now, what I mean is that these things, you have to have some trusted person start working on that away.
4:27:10Now, it seems to me that the basis to draw out something is the blockade will be lifted when the POWs are returned.
4:27:13And within six months after the P.O.W.
4:27:24did the return, all Americans were drawn.
4:27:25That's not true.
4:27:25But, in other words, these prisoners were P.O.W.ed up, and we let them on in.
4:27:27And that's a huge private homepage.
4:27:30Now, you see, that's the kind of a game I think we should play on the blockade.
4:27:50I think we're put in that way.
4:27:51I'm not pros for six months.
4:27:52Maybe it should be three months.
4:27:52Maybe it should be eight months.
4:27:53I'm not worried about the months.
4:27:54I'm worried about the fact that we've gotten ourselves, for tactical reasons, into this box that we seem to be doing it also for the business.
4:27:57The fact of the matter is we're doing it for our bottom 20, so we trust in us about the country.
4:27:59But it will have the effect.
4:28:13It will have the effect.
4:28:16I guess you're right.
4:28:23It's the war of the characters.
4:28:25All horses.
4:28:36I'm looking at all horses.
4:28:37I see what you're talking about.
4:28:38I think if we are playing it, it's proven that we might as well get something for it.
4:28:44Put yourself in the position of...
4:28:45Everybody can stand.
4:29:00Hanoi, hell, they can stand the blockade for six years over the last six months.
4:29:03Well, no, they can't.
4:29:04They've been standing for about nine months.
4:29:05They need supplies.
4:29:06The second point is that no second point is that we wouldn't be hitting that railroad.
4:29:07That's the other place to come to.
4:29:08It would drive.
4:29:22It would.
4:29:23to force them into a confrontation with us.
4:29:30Second is, it would force Hanoi towards Peking, because the only way that Hanoi would possibly support them is if Peking was flooded.
4:29:43Yeah.
4:29:43Yeah.
4:29:43And of course, that brings me to the point as to the effect.
4:29:44The effect would be with Peking, they'd have to get more deeply involved in the war to keep them out of the blockade.
4:29:49Right.
4:29:49The effect also is sort of a break on China.
4:29:51What would it do to the Russians?
4:30:13The Russians would call and something like that.
4:30:14We'd blockade them.
4:30:15What we're doing is we're making ourselves possible to put in quite brutally Soviet and Vietnam.
4:30:17On the other hand, the alternative is a Soviet initiative and a China initiative.
4:30:21The wall that hangs on them isn't going to be worth a hell of a lot if Vietnam goes down the tube.
4:30:42If it doesn't go down the tube, if it doesn't appear the result of its trends.
4:30:44See, what the Soviets want from us on this summit is, in fact, to screw Israel.
4:30:45I know we're doing it in Israel for a long period of time.
4:30:47But
4:30:48after what we've done to Taiwan, Israel, Vietnam.
4:31:03It's just not, then this policy that Trudeau described was throwing our way to one side or the other.
4:31:14It doesn't work because we won't have any way to struggle.
4:31:15The Russians don't come up with anything here.
4:31:16We have no choice but to walk away.
4:31:17And we will come down there.
4:31:17You already mentioned Mr. President.
4:31:19Unless the battle in South Vietnam is broken a lot better than it is in the world.
4:31:33And that'd be what it is.
4:31:34It couldn't.
4:31:34It's too long.
4:31:35Your forces of opposition in this country and around the world will begin to build next week.
4:31:38If they build too great,
4:31:39The blockade then comes at the wrong time.
4:31:50The blockade could come right now.
4:31:53We can do it tomorrow.
4:31:56And we, you know, as we see the action, we always say, stop, sit down, and debate for a while.
4:32:01That's why I was just wondering whether or not maybe our option is to blockade now.
4:32:03Well, Mr. Bisson put that.
4:32:03Please let us know.
4:32:04First of all, we haven't played the Russians' train on yet.
4:32:20They are bloody-minded sons of bitches.
4:32:23But I know he hasn't fought for 25 years in order to be pushed around by the Russian side.
4:32:27So we have the problem that we must let Soviet pressure on us and we must bring home to the Soviet Union that we have really bloody disease problems.
4:32:34And then we've got to get to some time.
4:32:43But I don't have a lot of time.
4:32:44Well, I'm just saying, blockade options are going to run out here in two weeks.
4:33:00I'm afraid.
4:33:00We have to do it.
4:33:02Because I'm afraid, basically, our domestic support for blockade, which is, I don't give a shit about the foreign support, but our domestic support for blockade might be ruined in two weeks.
4:33:11I'm strongly in favor.
4:33:12I didn't want to leave it to any crew that Colston can shout out.
4:33:13I'd be strongly in favor of it.
4:33:14No, we're not trying to.
4:33:15See, if I go to Moscow, it's a hell of a, that's one of these confusing moves again.
4:33:36Lots of times the students just don't stream while I'm in Moscow.
4:33:37I know the parents don't even know what I'm talking about, but because of this, that's what I do.
4:33:40The Germans don't even know what they're doing.
4:33:42We may have to reveal the Moscow Crypto if you go.
4:34:04I wouldn't let them call off the summit.
4:34:07That's my point.
4:34:08Do you agree or not?
4:34:09But we just all of a sudden, right, they're punishing arms.
4:34:19They're doing this.
4:34:23They didn't help.
4:34:23We're not going to have a hell of a lot of people with support calling on them.
4:34:28So we're ready to talk about it.
4:34:29We're just giving them all the energy that I don't think they're going to get to this point.
4:34:34You know, I'm facing your conversation just past week.
4:34:35And there'll be a minute or so left.
4:34:44He may say things that aren't true, but they're never said either.
4:35:00But if you're any scientist, I would have gone to Moscow.
4:35:06then I have to come to the message somewhat less aggressive, because then I don't want to put ourselves in the position.
4:35:25I still have to say that if you're coming to Moscow, I want the President to put a clear understanding, what I will say with a clear understanding, that Vietnam will be the first man, the first island, and the U.S. probably should make an effort not to bury the U.S. together.
4:35:32I think you can say that.
4:35:34And I have to say, it's a great understanding that if it's one class, then that's right.
4:35:43Do you see what I mean?
4:35:43I'm sure you can go to Moscow on that basis, and they know that they've got an issue.
4:35:48You've got to get earlier down, or you're not going to discuss it somehow.
4:35:52They're going to want you to come.
4:35:53Oh, yeah.
4:35:53Then I can do with these.
4:35:55The question is, do I tell them, you must come back with an answer by Monday that tells us how we're going to make progress?
4:36:02Or is it enough to say they won't be ready?
4:36:18That's my concern.
4:36:20They won't be ready.
4:36:20I wouldn't come along.
4:36:21I mean, I would say, do you agree with this understanding?
4:36:23Yes, I can say.
4:36:24There must be an understanding.
4:36:25And that there's not just to be discussion.
4:36:27But they are to have a proposal at that time.
4:36:29we can have a solid proposal to discuss.
4:36:46That is our understanding, and that's the basis.
4:36:47Lacking such a proposal will return to Washington immediately.
4:36:49There's not any further discussion as far as some of it is concerned.
4:36:52In other words, you're giving them the fact that they don't get to tell you that there's something on Monday.
4:36:54They present it to you on Thursday, and you're there.
4:36:55And if you don't get it, you get the hell out of there.
4:36:58Let me write something out.
4:37:00Does that sound like a good deal to you?
4:37:07Right.
4:37:07It sounds fine.
4:37:07And I think I want to write it out because this is an important message, Mr. Besson.
4:37:14We must be correct.
4:37:14But I myself, my first instinct was that
4:37:19playing it cold-bloodedly.
4:37:23What we get out of the trip is more than they get out of it.
4:37:29No, I agree.
4:37:31I mean, the worst is they are suckering me along.
4:37:36And tell me nothing that they have to do.
4:37:38We have then gone the extra mile.
4:37:38Then we've gone to Moscow.
4:37:39We've gone the extra mile.
4:37:40And there are the little shitheads here who say demand us want to negotiate.
4:37:42Hell, you had me in Moscow.
4:37:43And resurfaced my talk with Gromyko last.
4:37:44September, all the overtures we made through Moscow, because then we don't give a damn.
4:37:57And then on the basis of that, we'll then have the basis for a very strong case, a blockade.
4:38:04And if we don't want a blockade that has used the Moscow trip for the purposes of the question of summer?
4:38:12Well, for the purpose
4:38:14Well, I mean, supposing you then didn't, supposing... You see, here's the question.
4:38:17Is there any way that we can, which we just got to look at our work cards here.
4:38:22Let me say, you have to, we have to realize that there's a lot more on the line here than simply a trip to Moscow and then to work in Vietnam and so forth.
4:38:35Because then I've gotten to have a lot of heavy thinking as to how we can...
4:38:38do something about trying to get a candidate that's pretty much yours.
4:38:57Who can be a candidate?
4:38:59House.
4:38:59You've got somebody else.
4:39:00Why?
4:39:00Because you have to realize, you have to realize that the position that we have, we failed, which we could well fail on all fronts.
4:39:04You know, some of this canceled.
4:39:06and that the blockade has not succeeded, you understand that we're putting everything on the line.
4:39:23But there's one other possibility, Mr. President.
4:39:24This is another reason for going to Moscow.
4:39:27If I don't go to Moscow, then your time is for sure.
4:39:29If I do go to Moscow, we have the excuse that I'm going to Moscow, and that's why we're not doing more, rather well.
4:39:34Like in bombing?
4:39:40Like blockading.
4:39:43If we don't stop blockading by the end of the week, without my going to Moscow, the question is, why the hell not?
4:39:50Otherwise, I'm looking at all the accounts from the standpoint of the Russians.
4:39:56It means we're not ferocious.
4:39:57When we're in Moscow, it buys time.
4:39:58I agree.
4:39:58That doesn't help us on this domestic front, doing this domestic front.
4:40:00I don't know if that's a question.
4:40:01That's a fact.
4:40:03But we've talked about the possibility of canceling the trip and going to a blockade.
4:40:14There are other variations, or there's the variations that haven't been in Moscow.
4:40:20If the South Vietnamese hold, we might still decide to bomb the shed out of there in the north and go to Moscow.
4:40:29Because if we can break the dialogue and not blockade,
4:40:35I have great consideration.
4:40:48I think the Moscow trip ought to be on.
4:40:52Couch the message in a way that you read them.
4:40:53And they'll figure that they can center it one way or another.
4:40:55But we're going to be awful hard to center.
4:40:56Also, by the accident that Laird Moore decided to go ahead with this damn strike, I don't know why he didn't.
4:40:59Moore talked Laird into it.
4:41:01What the hell do you think is happening?
4:41:06I think, Mr. President, why the hell is this happening is so unbelievable.
4:41:13I think just, I think Laird is playing in both ways.
4:41:17He knows that I want to do it.
4:41:19He doesn't want to be, and he's a patriot.
4:41:21He isn't, I know, he isn't, but Rogers, like Rogers, Rogers really, at least Laird, sort of runs his department.
4:41:26You know, it's really something, you know, you take Bell and Seaman,
4:41:31I have no idea where they sucked her out of the Canadian, you know, Mr. Trudeau.
4:41:49On a spectacular performance, have they actually outlined it in the news summary of the event?
4:41:53I don't think so.
4:41:54Well, the news summary gives you a lot to explore.
4:41:55They got on that trip, we didn't like a whole lot.
4:41:57We didn't need it at all, but the news, well, it was a nice, you could tell us some minor positive news.
4:42:01But they recorded it as a podcast that they described you as in a very positive way.
4:42:20Your speech, it wasn't all that good.
4:42:21So we've got your account on the list.
4:42:25If there's a way, Reed Henry, to...
4:42:28not allow Vietnam to sink the Soviet sun.
4:42:38That's what I think.
4:42:40Well, if we can, we ought not to do it.
4:42:41Having in mind the fact that the Soviet, let's face it, and here we look at the other side of it, if we can find a graceful way to let Q down,
4:42:50that maybe we just have to die and live to fight another way if we fight like hell before it happens.
4:43:02My point is, you see my point, but on the other hand, if there is no graceful way, then the summit goes out the window.
4:43:11That's the problem everywhere in the country.
4:43:13That's what I understand.
4:43:15I'm only putting it up as what, to me, is a totally rhetorical matter.
4:43:25In my view, there is no graceful way you can let it go.
4:43:27Remember, you always said, let it go.
4:43:29How in Christ can you do it?
4:43:32It would never work.
4:43:32It was never right.
4:43:34But now, I think what we have to do is this.
4:43:37I think what I have to do is to say, in effect,
4:43:40Everything's on the line, but cancel the summit.
4:43:48We have to realize that the Russians canceled the summit.
4:43:51We canceled the summit because of the blockade.
4:43:53We are virtually assuring the certainty of a Democrat winning, unless I don't find a way to.
4:44:15And I'm thinking of this, too, of trying to move one of the other Republicans.
4:44:16And as long as you come down to it, you've got Rockefeller, who probably could have been nominated.
4:44:18And Reagan could.
4:44:19And he could, too.
4:44:19And he had another possibility, which never would have occurred to me.
4:44:23who has been suggested.
4:44:36And the other one, and this is really the only long shot, it just might pull the plug on a whole bunch, because you did the whole song.
4:44:44You know, did I ever have to talk to a cop before all of this began?
4:44:45You know, I said, I look here, you've got to change your heart.
4:44:47And then I...
4:44:48to bow out and endorse Connolly and then Connolly with what I am, and Connolly without the scars to go on and win it.
4:45:02See, there's your problem.
4:45:07But the point is, we have to realize that if we lose Vietnam and the summit, there's no way that the election could be second.
4:45:14That's the problem.
4:45:14There's no way it could be the means to a strong new president.
4:45:16that can't be permitted.
4:45:28Secondly, I don't know how you can avoid it.
4:45:31Maybe you see the blockade is not working as much.
4:45:33Secondly, there's no realistic alternative to it.
4:45:34Thirdly, you see, there's something that you could be around with any of these people.
4:45:37The only one you couldn't handle was D. Reagan.
4:45:46I think he's too much of a lifeline.
4:45:54Mr. President, I would follow you to handle Berger.
4:45:55Mr. President, it's a very hard policy.
4:45:56If one has worked this closely, as a president as I have with you, to work in a similar position to the success of that other man, I don't know if it makes sense.
4:46:00Well, then you realize what we look at.
4:46:07We're looking at musky, concrete, arcane.
4:46:12It's just cold as hell.
4:46:16That's crazy.
4:46:16Now, you see, that's why there's so much rise on this stand today.
4:46:18Now you come around to this problem.
4:46:19Maybe it was the Soviets.
4:46:20My point is...
4:46:21If we can, we've got to handle this way to save the Soviet Union and mitigate Vietnam.
4:46:36What I'm getting at is that I don't mean to sink you, but I... You see what I'm getting at?
4:46:38See, I don't think there's a way anymore of mitigating Vietnam, Mr. President, because we'll either win or lose.
4:46:42I think you're personally and truthfully right.
4:46:44If we lose...
4:46:45It doesn't matter how softly you split it.
4:46:49Yeah.
4:46:50If we lose and we're out, then you'll be under some kind of .
4:46:54And you'll be under murderous pressure .
4:46:57If you win, now, if I think a blockade ought to be .
4:47:03You think a blockade was going to help?
4:47:05No.
4:47:05I think, Mr. President, we
4:47:07As far as anybody else is concerned, you must keep the impression of being on the verge of death.
4:47:26Oh, I know.
4:47:26Everybody should scare them.
4:47:30And worry.
4:47:30Why not?
4:47:30Any doubts with anybody?
4:47:30Worry.
4:47:31If we do invade, I think a blockade should be very, very carefully considered.
4:47:33Actually, we haven't done very, very excellent considering.
4:47:40I mean, we shouldn't do it lightly.
4:47:42But I would like in Russia,
4:47:44to act as if you just did not give a damn.
4:47:53That's true.
4:47:54I would like to leave the impression that hell with the summit.
4:47:57You're blessed by the Wallace vote.
4:47:59You're going to go to the summit's house.
4:48:02You're going to go on an anti-communist kick.
4:48:04And by God, you better not do it.
4:48:08That's what I've been telling the people.
4:48:10Now, I have all of the strength that I've always backed off when it's gone wild enough.
4:48:12Yeah, but I know the Russians will back off because I'm currently at peace right now.
4:48:27That is true.
4:48:27But if we can get the Russians to back off, then the question is, can we find a goal for them?
4:48:29Even for my own selfish reasons, I'm not eager.
4:48:32We've both discovered an unbelievable way.
4:48:33And all the reputation has been achieved for trade war.
4:48:45I'm sure it would be an honor, and we know that.
4:48:48So I have not as much of a stake, but also I know that.
4:48:50I know that.
4:48:50But we've got to play the Russian card out, and I think that's why you have to go.
4:48:52So write your message then.
4:48:55But I think that what I want, what I'm really trying to tell you is that I am prepared to go all the way, and that I'm prepared to take all the consequences.
4:49:04but and that means that you have the blockade card over there you may not play it there but i mean you see if you know that's going to come you could be a hell of a lot tougher than if you know it isn't going to come if they think we've turned the last screw very much more would be done see we may not want to do a blockade we may just bomb
4:49:29In that case, why would we do that?
4:49:42We block every port.
4:49:42We just start blocking every port so they don't use it.
4:49:46Why is the third one?
4:49:47Because then the Russian ship will come in, or they just hide outside, and we're not challenging the Russians directly.
4:49:52You mean the bomb on the ship was harder than a chain?
4:50:03Well, they had it pretty well cut off.
4:50:11All right.
4:50:11Well, it takes longer to do that.
4:50:12Well, I don't know.
4:50:13Let me put it this way.
4:50:14I can tell you about a blockade, though.
4:50:16The American people, I think, would stand a blockade
4:50:19longer than they would bomb it.
4:50:27That's the reason the blockade appeals.
4:50:30The blockade is, you're not killing people.
4:50:32You see, it's easy to have a public demonstration against the bombing.
4:50:36The bombing people, they kill them.
4:50:38But if we blockade and say, stop the killing in the south, return our prisoners of war, get out of that, we'll lift the blockade.
4:50:45That's a hell of a hard thing to do.
4:50:48So I think the blockade's under control.
4:51:02We've got to find a way.
4:51:03Well, that's where I come out with the name.
4:51:04So, uh, all things considered, I would tend to go to the blockade, but my judgment is also that if we set it up properly and flexibly, they'll help us.
4:51:09Maybe not enough.
4:51:09I think you've got your .
4:51:22I didn't.
4:51:24If you want to bring it back, it's all right.
4:51:50We all understand.
4:51:51We all understand.
4:51:51In fact, it is not safe.
4:51:52We will not be repeating any announcements.
4:51:52What I would say is, be attentive.
4:51:53Right.
4:51:55The critical purpose of the report is to see whether the two great powers of the South bring about a drastic end of devoted Vietnam, and also whether, on the basis of this, to speed up the preparations of the South, of the South, on as broad a possible basis.
4:52:17It now appears, by some assurances by the Soviet ambassador,
4:52:19that the Northeastern region has refused to come on the 24th and has asked us to come to a meeting on the 27th publicly.
4:52:35We have notified the Northeastern region that we will come on the 27th.
4:52:42I'd like to hear an expression from the Soviet government, how it did it.
4:53:01If the Soviet government shares this view, then that would be a good decision.
4:53:07And that's what they don't care about.
4:53:08You've got to say.
4:53:09He said that the first item on the agenda will be that a concrete proposal must be prepared for discussion, and unless one is, that we will not go, you are not authorized to go to the other items on the agenda.
4:53:31Or do you want it to be that hard?
4:53:32I think I'd rather do that.
4:53:33Fine.
4:53:33I'll do it.
4:53:34Do it there.
4:53:34Fine.
4:53:35Okay.
4:53:36The only thing is, I'm sure they're prepared to make a two-feet proposal.
4:53:49So I say that you are coming with the understanding that they will have a higher proposal.
4:53:53And then don't say that.
4:53:53That the first item on the agenda will be that.
4:53:57And that they will have a two-feet proposal.
4:53:59We can say that.
4:54:01Two-feet steps.
4:54:01And then when they're there, you knock it off.
4:54:03And if we don't make any progress, I will then say it.
4:54:04Now, let me just say one thing on the negotiator's side.
4:54:13I would be wrong to send a private reporter to say, look, we won't come in the 27th.
4:54:20Why don't we be sent to a hotel?
4:54:22Mr. President, I must tell you honestly, before that I had no business knocking out that plan of the president.
4:54:25It's a terrible liability to us.
4:54:30We didn't ask you to do this.
4:54:31He did it on his own.
4:54:35You did it without my... You didn't instruct him without my knowing it.
4:54:38Hell no, he did it himself.
4:54:40I know that.
4:54:41So it was a goddamn mistake.
4:54:42He had done that.
4:54:44I backed him up when he did it.
4:54:45Oh, you were very lucky.
4:54:46Yeah, I had to.
4:54:48But if he had not done that, and if we had had...
4:54:50I didn't know a goddamn thing about it, but if he hadn't done that...
4:54:53I was surprised you were, but let's don't second-guess it now.
4:54:59We've got a battle now.
4:55:00No, no, but I'm just going to tell you that I'm basically in agreement with your thinking.
4:55:05Yeah, yeah.
4:55:05But my point is now, why don't we incur our losses on that in the public?
4:55:13Let them think about the buy-in.
4:55:16All we want is a private meeting.
4:55:18You see what I'm getting at?
4:55:21Yeah, well...
4:55:22private meeting on May 7th is doing.
4:55:33That's a hell of a lot of work.
4:55:38In other words, my point is, let me put it this way, is their desire to have a, let me put it this way, is that, I don't know if the Russians get them there, but that's what I want.
4:55:45Well, rather than trying to use the device of Porter screwing around with a public meeting, then, to get them on the floor.
4:55:48That's a hell of a lot of work.
4:55:48We're trying to get them to come at the beginning.
4:55:52And therefore, I think they have a real problem about getting people out of Paris without a session going on.
4:56:05It looks too much as if he's going there to sit around, play up with something that happens.
4:56:10So if we propose to them that we come on, if we don't meet on the 24th, if they, that if we will have a public session on the 27th, no matter what happens on the 24th,
4:56:23then we can have a private session on the 24th.
4:56:38Maybe.
4:56:39On the other hand, if we go to a plenary session now, under the present circumstances, we may do it.
4:56:46I think we should hold up on the plenary session after I've been involved.
4:56:50And just put on the basis of what we've already said.
4:57:04Don't be too sure-cordered by it.
4:57:06It's the best of intentions.
4:57:09It may have been the right thing.
4:57:12For God's sake.
4:57:12A lot of people don't like it though, you know what I mean?
4:57:17If these guys want to negotiate, they'll negotiate.
4:57:27You can't drive them off the basis.
4:57:31If you're going for the plenary session providing a pretext, they'll find another pretext to sign.
4:57:35If they want to meet with me, they'll meet.
4:57:37And if they don't want to, they'll find a thousand pretexts.
4:57:38They lose the private session primarily.
4:57:39This brings us back down to the law.
4:57:43All right.
4:57:43And you're going to have Porter do this.
4:57:47I won't have Porter.
4:57:48I will say that we will not, that we will agree to a public session on the 20th session, 27th, only if they come to a private meeting on the 24th or you want to announce the public session on the 27th.
4:58:08Do you think that's better than, say, taking this movie to date 24, maybe four or five days later?
4:58:19How would that feel?
4:58:19Your labor office would fit.
4:58:20In other words, you'd have to go back again.
4:58:26That's no problem.
4:58:29Let's do that.
4:58:29All right.
4:58:30And then I'll have .
4:58:32And also, then we can say we've been in touch with them about this.
4:58:36They won't be able to drive me.
4:58:38That's another thing.
4:58:38We've responded to that.
4:58:39I don't need to see the bench.
4:59:31John.
4:59:55Well, in the development of Superdog, as we're going to talk, 36 hours, 48 hours, you're able to get Colson and Crankup and things like that.
5:00:22I talked to Henry, and he wanted to do that.
5:00:22And we're just going to create condos in the $40,000 scheme.
5:00:24They're working on it.
5:00:41You just got to show some strength at this point.
5:01:06We've got to do it well with public line support, because when I go along, public support might go down.
5:01:28So I don't know how much support there is, but it's important for Colson and for us.
5:01:30And I hope you let me know that.
5:01:31Colson, McRae, the whole bunch, and get the hell off of ITT and the other practice that they're on.
5:01:33That's where...
5:01:34I don't mean that the other things aren't important to me right now.
5:01:50There's just a second thing.
5:01:54Until, uh, that's not going to be where I am.
5:01:54I didn't think the police were going to say anything.
5:01:57It means very much to them, but it doesn't mean very much to us.
5:02:16It did no harm.
5:02:17You probably had people eventually working on .
5:02:42The reason I've got to write a memorandum on it is he wants to back away from Laird.
5:02:44If you can't do that, then you can't have the administration speaking two voices.
5:02:46Well, that's the point.
5:02:47Well, of course, here we've been in this three weeks, Bob, and at least Larry stepped up and said a couple of things, and Bill has been like a mouse.
5:03:07He hasn't said anything to a congressman or a senator or anybody else, you know, about what he's carrying with him.
5:03:10And God damn it, that's the reason I've not seen him.
5:03:11I'm just not going to just see a fellow and say he wants to go down and say, well, we'll endorse you without any conditions.
5:03:14And also, I don't believe the American people will appreciate that.
5:03:15Do you agree or not?
5:03:18Whether they do or not, it's my call to action.
5:03:32The sound is that we're ready to negotiate, give anything away, and all that sort of thing.
5:03:41Just watch.
5:03:42Just watch.
5:03:42Take somebody on.
5:03:42Our problem there is we just have a ball of music.
5:03:46My own view is that once you've started, I don't think it makes a whole lot of difference where you're going.
5:04:18.
5:04:25.
5:04:25.
5:04:26.
5:04:27.
5:04:46And they stopped killing Americans.
5:04:52Is anything at all underway yet?
5:05:07I mean, things I mentioned to you, they, I mean, you deal with it.
5:05:09I've got the talk, the hand-on, the committee, the ads, everything.
5:05:10I think, really, I crank it up, having in mind, in other words, let's anticipate the attack of the opposition and have some strong right-wing stuff come in here and get all the speakers on and get the Goldwater and the Towers and the Fords and the rest to crack on to everything.
5:05:19That's what it is.
5:05:24A record.
5:06:07One other thing, if I were to give you good therapy, I think you ought to call Laird, say, to report it, right?
5:06:32I mean, you know, Laird's not, you know, Laird, I'm negotiating things.
5:06:33Well, did you mention that to him?
5:06:34The one that I am most grateful for is support.
5:06:35He's a strong man.
5:06:35We need to throw a little crack at him on him so that we can get this to him.
5:06:37Okay.
5:07:14I wondered if you would arrange with Rex to bring him in the front door, rather than
5:09:08Oh, good God.
5:11:16All right.
5:12:12I am right here.
5:12:26I didn't want to talk to him about himself.
5:12:35He was drooling all over me, saying how eager they were to get me.
5:12:36I told him about the attack on Haslam.
5:12:37I said, when the president got the information that he was cast in the theater this morning, he ordered an immediate attack.
5:12:41Where are you from, Haslam?
5:12:43The one thing I think we ought to do, Mr. President, as you agree, is to go over this map of Haifa, where the ships were yesterday.
5:13:05They cannot reach Haifa now, but they can reach the shore of that touristy country.
5:13:10And I think while we are bombing up there anyway, we ought to start to explore that.
5:13:12This has never been done before.
5:13:13I talked to him already.
5:13:19He says it's feasible.
5:13:22They could make a hell of a lot of money.
5:13:24Can they stay out of the way of them and not get a ship knocked down?
5:13:26Do it.
5:13:26Do it.
5:13:26I think, Mr. President, for this, we're going to take any more leads than we already have.
5:13:33I think we're going to do more.
5:13:34I think we're ready to land.
5:13:35What they'll think is that we're going to try to get into the harbor.
5:13:38Of course, I'm ready to do it.
5:13:39It's always good, something good always comes out of some client.
5:13:53I mean, I know there's something you can do up there.
5:13:54I'm not saying Mr. Benjamin didn't make those things.
5:13:55We should have made these things.
5:13:56I mean, what work it was worth.
5:13:57Let's get it up there and hit it again.
5:13:58That's a very good idea.
5:13:58Hit those, take those sharp arrows out.
5:14:01It's sort of like coastal air travel.
5:14:21The P52 track on my farm is complete.
5:14:23There's no things done already.
5:14:23The A6 track is complete.
5:14:24There's no things done.
5:14:24That's all we're hitting in the north this time.
5:14:26My farm, or even truck park 2, or any other truck park.
5:14:27They've done another 109 exactly.
5:14:28They have something that they've said is the best that they've done.
5:14:29And that's getting compared to the truck park.
5:14:31That's all we did there.
5:14:48That's the show that we did.
5:14:53We did that.
5:14:56Oh, I see.
5:14:58But I mean what we're going to read about in the morning.
5:14:59All right.
5:14:59Good.
5:14:59Good start.
5:14:59Don't worry about it.
5:15:00I don't know what it is.
5:15:00I don't know what it is.
5:15:02So then my Soviet expert son-in-law
5:15:32Mr. Hardline believes we have a 70-30 chance of getting the Soviets.
5:15:46There's also a good chance that they'll not cancel my trip, but that we can make the trip.
5:15:51If they do, then we blockade.
5:15:54If, Mr. President...
5:15:54If they cancel your trip, we blockade your trip.
5:15:56No choice.
5:15:56Exactly.
5:15:56If they cancel my trip, it's on the list to go to heaven.
5:15:57And that reminds me of what I spoke of all the time as well.
5:16:10As I've told you, I think you can protect the fleshy from barcades and bombing.
5:16:25But in order to make the barcade work, we have to buy more furniture because we've got to get their supplies done.
5:16:29If it's closed off to the south, then it doesn't make a definite difference.
5:16:49You have no reason not to.
5:16:50Immediately then, get busy with the Germans now.
5:16:53What can we do with the Germans?
5:16:55How would you do it?
5:16:56Call some?
5:16:58We could call a spouse over here, a partner, a customer, all we can do is send them a letter.
5:17:16Although we'd already described to you, we're still prepared to go.
5:17:19Oh, I've broken up with them.
5:17:19Oh, they'll be half a thousand.
5:17:20Oh, they can't even deliver us on a specific day.
5:17:22That's exactly what you said.
5:17:36Why don't I get it in you?
5:17:36I don't need you.
5:17:37I know that.
5:17:37I got the deal.
5:17:37I'm controlling you.
5:17:38I said, the freedom told me that the court could be decided for you.
5:17:41I can't answer that.
5:17:42I'm going to go to another court.
5:17:42I'm going to go to another court.
5:17:44That is through those facilities that I believe you have in there.
5:18:04Through our channel, we've passed through an RPF meeting that we will sign in the 27th, I don't know if we will do that, but whether they agree to go to 24th.
5:18:08Well, the only thing that I raise on that, if that is the case, is for I raise the point that we're here as to whether the advisability would say
5:18:36of conditioning the 27th announcement on this specific date of the 24th, the idea being that on the so-called negotiating willingness of public crap on that, we might go get the benefit of the 27th.
5:18:59So we'll give them another... Let me see what I can do.
5:19:01Making sense.
5:19:01But it's a quotas for this, that as soon as we complete with that,
5:19:03That's a hell of a thing to pay, a price to pay.
5:19:22You mean, in other words, that we owe a debt?
5:19:30That they owe a debt?
5:19:32They'll say, we won't meet with you again unless you stop the bombing.
5:19:36Because we've been meeting with them for three years.
5:19:40But that's what's going to happen.
5:19:42Well, that's just right.
5:19:43We've got to start putting rockers on the table for three years.
5:19:46We gave up bombing for a while, three years, fruitless meetings.
5:19:50I want to give it up again.
5:19:53We can fight that out in the propaganda field.
5:19:59They're not going to sell that one again, because they sold it once.
5:20:01This is the instructions for that.
5:20:01Oh, good.
5:20:04Well, I want to work on that.
5:20:10You have to get it out tomorrow.
5:20:14Yeah.
5:20:14I think we ought to send it to Porter.
5:20:16It instructs us to do that.
5:20:18They don't back down.
5:20:21All right.
5:20:25To me, privately, they don't back down a bit from Porter's Mark 23rd thing.
5:20:30You know, he's got a deal with it, which is because I stuck up for him.
5:20:34And, you know, once one of our guys stepped up and said something, we've got to stick right with him, or otherwise he won't do anything again.
5:20:41You know, we stick up for Roger when he says something soft.
5:20:43Let's stick up for Porter when he says something hard.
5:20:45And Rock is really good at that.
5:20:47Hello.
5:21:09Hello.
5:21:16Put them down in your throat.
5:21:37All right.
5:21:43All right, make this for both of them.
5:21:46that we, in 1968, October of 1968, three years ago,
5:22:11We stopped bombing the North Vietnam in return for negotiations for over three years.
5:22:32We put that in the country in return for negotiations.
5:22:37And the North Vietnam is in a three-and-a-half-year period.
5:22:38I refuse to negotiate seriously.
5:22:39That would be the first point there.
5:22:39We are not going to make the same mistake again.
5:22:42We are ready to resume negotiations whenever they are ready to resume negotiations seriously, whenever they are ready to talk seriously or something like that.
5:23:07We don't have to use negotiations to lodge or cover up or screen for negotiating at the conference table or screen for escalating
5:23:11tax in the battlefield.
5:23:21What we are doing here is giving Rogers awful bitter medicine, because he is no one to say this kind of tough language to him, but by putting it this tough, he thereby will Well, we put it this tough.
5:23:39At least Rogers said half this tough.
5:23:41That's my point and that's good.
5:23:46Can't take any other position in this one.
5:23:47at this point could have gotten a voucher here.
5:24:01But his position, I'm not asking his position because I'm under the state, where we've crossed that bridge, he knows damn well that we can't back off there.
5:24:07Did you ever get back to Larry to tell him, you had to be sure, did he understand the point that he was right?
5:24:09I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
5:24:10Thanking him.
5:24:11But you told him that now, here, Bill will undercut you.
5:24:33I said, Zach, he said, Zach, uh, he said, uh, uh, yeah.
5:24:34But you told him that I didn't want Bill to undercut him.
5:24:36Did you find that?
5:24:36Oh, yes.
5:24:36There's no reason to further go through the charade of indicating that the negotiation means anything in its present context.
5:24:39In other words,
5:24:39that the whole case, it must be at the Kennedy fault.
5:24:49But we ought to go back to the negotiation table.
5:24:53Ball's flat in its face.
5:24:54Why?
5:24:54What's the practice of negotiating?
5:24:55Didn't you see my point?
5:24:55That's what we've been doing for three years.
5:25:03Go back to the table.
5:25:05are overlooking the record.
5:25:12We are trying to get, we are willing to negotiate, but I think it's pretty clear that we aren't actually going to negotiate.
5:25:28The other big question, just a small one.
5:25:35Incidentally, I'm glad we did it.
5:25:36Aren't you?
5:25:39Oh, yeah.
5:25:39Particularly a bit of fusel, I think.
5:25:42We might have overplayed it just a bit.
5:25:46I know we had exceptions.
5:25:48But we didn't.
5:25:49They didn't.
5:25:50I wish they had, but they didn't.
5:25:52You never know.
5:25:53Maybe we don't wish they had.
5:25:55Maybe they would have just gone to the 24th.
5:25:59But we'll give them this shot.
5:26:01We'll give them this shot.
5:26:04I also told them that there would be no other attack in that area after the Moscow meeting.
5:26:11Oh, the Moscow meeting with you?
5:26:12With me.
5:26:13Yeah, in other words, that this was it for today.
5:26:17Oh, wait a minute, what about the naval ships?
5:26:22Well, I mean, that whole conflict, all of this will be done in the next 12 hours.
5:26:25Oh, can the Navy get up there and shell in the 12 hours?
5:26:28Yeah.
5:26:28Well, you better order it right away, or did you?
5:26:30I tentatively did.
5:26:31They're on the way.
5:26:32I talked to Ruth Moore.
5:26:34I told her to make another thing.
5:26:36All right, good, good.
5:26:37And then knock it off, I agree.
5:26:39The Russians aren't going to cancel your trip.
5:26:43Now, if they cancel the trip, we immediately move on the German problem.
5:26:58Oh, if they cancel the trip.
5:26:59Your trip?
5:27:00Yeah.
5:27:00And, well, I'd have Strauss, too.
5:27:08And you may, will that be a signal?
5:27:14And then also, I mean, let's get our lines ready.
5:27:18And then, Henry, I think we've got to be ready to blockade this next week.
5:27:22If they cancel, here they are.
5:27:24If they cancel my trip, we've got to move towards the blockade by next weekend.
5:27:32Henry, we'd better do it quicker.
5:27:33I'll tell you why.
5:27:35We can do it quicker.
5:27:35I'll tell you why.
5:27:37Because...
5:27:38you'll have greater public support.
5:27:40Every day that goes on, the public support for a blockade slightly erodes for anything.
5:27:49Mr. President, if they cancel my trip...
5:27:54I'll do it.
5:27:55I'll go there as soon as the Navy be ready.
5:27:59You can do it then any time.
5:28:00Well, why don't you think I've got a point?
5:28:02I think so.
5:28:02Go.
5:28:02We should wait for Haig to come back and we'll be ready to say goodbye.
5:28:05Why?
5:28:05Why can't he get his report?
5:28:06Well, because .
5:28:14So bad.
5:28:53I haven't finished your meeting yet.
5:28:56Do you want to come over?
5:29:00You'll be there.
5:29:01All right.
5:29:28Yeah, jumping up and down over there.
5:29:52These are the most successful strikes that I've ever seen in my life.
5:29:53That's not good, my God.
5:29:54Yeah.
5:29:54I hate you.
5:29:54None of it's done.
5:29:54I was over-ignored.
5:29:55I just got back.
5:29:55You know, we really have, before we got into the strike, they put a portion of the storm
5:29:58The Post is, I don't know what's the matter with George Wilson, I understand he's a pretty good writer, but he puts in there that this is a return to the tit-for-tat policy of the Johnson administration.
5:30:20What the shit is he talking about?
5:30:21He won't tell you that.
5:30:22No, no, no, that's what he said to the mommy-in-law.
5:30:23Does he realize this was just a tit-for-tat?
5:30:24He doesn't know this one.
5:30:24Yeah, that was in his story.
5:30:25He wrote this story.
5:30:26He won't say that, but I think he understands.
5:30:35Tell me, give me a word to just summarize what has happened.
5:30:39One, it wasn't successful at all.
5:30:40And second, the other thing they had, I just want to ask you about, Mr. Wilson also wrote a story about Amnok, and he says the South Vietnamese have all their tanks and weapons carriers lined up in the port of the Lintraman to go out, and they're just sitting apart and won't move.
5:30:49I checked that, no, they had a combat man there.
5:30:59Ted Wilson just doesn't understand this.
5:31:02I'm not going to get into that.
5:31:08I raised those points not because, because I assume Hayes is going to be there $38, $48, $44, $49 or less.
5:31:21So he may not find out.
5:31:21We ought to find out whether some of the victims out there in the nature are going to fight or not.
5:31:23We don't know now.
5:31:24Mr. President, that's why.
5:31:24That's why.
5:31:25That's more important.
5:31:25That's why they fight professionally because they have a lot of things to look at.
5:31:27A lot better now.
5:31:36The New York Times has a lot of very mild editorials saying we should return to negotiate in a very mild way.
5:31:51Oh, incidentally, before I get into your issue, did you see the statements by Humphrey Muskie?
5:31:53Yeah, but they're weak.
5:31:54But you see what, if I could just say what they feel, Humphrey demanded
5:31:56that the president take this to the Security Council of the United Nations and ask for a ceasefire.
5:32:03Now, for good Christ's sakes, don't you think even a...
5:32:08I think my college graduate kids know that the Security Council of the United Nations can't handle Vietnam.
5:32:15It wasn't that.
5:32:16On this post-Vietnamese partisan trade, the Russians would have to be killed, the Chinese would have to be killed.
5:32:24Well, beyond that, Humphrey was in all the time.
5:32:27Why the hell would they do it if they were going to do it anyway?
5:32:31It's the God damn seniority.
5:32:33And yet that is searched as a justification for president.
5:32:34And Muskie said it's an escalation.
5:32:43It's horrible.
5:32:46It has consequences with the Chinese and the Russians.
5:32:50They're going to be very serious two weeks from now.
5:32:55Tell me the amount of time.
5:32:57It wasn't very uplifting, even.
5:32:59But they're nice little blacks.
5:33:03But your call came just as we finished dinner and I was here for a long time.
5:33:22And so your call was approved and I told them, which was fine.
5:33:23I said, excuse me a moment and I went upstairs and I was told right away that I was going to leave.
5:33:25And you know, the only ones that missed me were the three or four that would have grabbed me.
5:33:27So I'm glad you're taking the call.
5:33:29And when I came back, and I took in Andrews, this marvelous singer, this bearded Nilsen, have you ever heard of her?
5:33:47Oh, yes.
5:33:49Ah, so great.
5:33:49What a voice.
5:33:49Oh, she was the first time we ever had an encore with her.
5:33:50She was just magnificent.
5:33:51And we were lucky to have her.
5:33:52Anyway, then and I took in Maura, as I was speaking, a 75-year-old secretary.
5:33:54It was a very warm toast, which he had not read.
5:34:17I mean, he thought I should do it.
5:34:18He took a picture with me, and I was going to go to China.
5:34:19I went to Russia with the president.
5:34:20And I just shook his hand.
5:34:21And then I went upstairs, ran up to him, and he said, I started going to get him.
5:34:22And he said, sir, you know, he's a good woman.
5:34:23I said, you know, I'm awful proud of what you're doing.
5:34:25That's what they really matter.
5:34:33Well, until he said Bernie left.
5:34:36Mr. President, what's your feeling?
5:34:37My feeling is that Bernie left, but look at it from the American point of view.
5:34:41We played an intelligent game, but it's not one that can steal people's lives.
5:34:44We had a doctrine which was a sort of withdrawal.
5:34:48We were quitting the board.
5:34:53So they were resigning themselves to the fact that we were sort of easing our way out of the message situation.
5:35:01And Nixon is doing the best he can.
5:35:02That's the best anybody ever said about us.
5:35:04Now, here we are in a situation, Mr. President, where we may come out of this with our heads high.
5:35:08And we will.
5:35:08I'll tell you this.
5:35:11I think we have to realize that when
5:35:13You failed with the Russians, and I over the blockade.
5:35:21We may lose the election, but we will not lose the war.
5:35:26So I'll keep the blockade on.
5:35:27Mr. President, if I get to Russia, if they don't cancel it now, because that was still possible, and when they see the extent of what's happened...
5:35:33Let me give you a brief .
5:35:38There was one explosion.
5:35:42There was one explosion.
5:35:44Are you sure or not?
5:35:46Roll smoke up your ass.
5:35:48There was one explosion in High Farm in the oil storage area.
5:35:51It was seen on the .
5:35:55They saw a tremendous explosion at High Farm.
5:36:01But they say the oil storage areas of its land, they think that 90% of these B-52 farms
5:36:14It is the target area.
5:36:19There's one using a cannon.
5:36:26There's a Navy pilot who was, they were, we lost only two planes out of 200, hopefully.
5:36:32One Air Force, one Navy.
5:36:34The Navy pilot parachuted out and landed right next to the destroyer.
5:36:38He had killed one of the destroyers.
5:36:39You can order your shell-hide bomb.
5:36:40And they rescued him while they were north-eastern east fishing boats and torpedo boats all around.
5:36:44The guy would have been a sure president.
5:36:57And he said, as the border said, there's one man who believes the president is gone.
5:37:02He landed within a hundred yards where the destroyer was, where the border was to be made.
5:37:04They had to destroy it to get him a shelf, nine hundred shelves under cover, for example.
5:37:06Four destroyers had been bruised and they fired.
5:37:09I don't mean that they can't tell if it is in shape or not.
5:37:30But because these were on gun installation, so he wouldn't get it himself.
5:37:35But in high fire, the fireball could be seen 110 miles away on the carrier kiddie ball.
5:37:37In unordinated DOLs.
5:37:39The first wave came in there and said that the fire was two miles across.
5:37:52And now the first wave said the flames were 200 feet high.
5:37:58The second wave, the flames were 10,000 feet high and two miles across.
5:38:01This is just preliminary.
5:38:04This is from the pilot.
5:38:08This is without reconnaissance.
5:38:15Let me just run through here for you.
5:38:21This is high-fond EOL, very large, red-orange secondary explosion.
5:38:28Observed 10 minutes after BPG2 strikes numerous flights.
5:38:35These are the very first reports.
5:38:39Navy support and aircraft indicated BPG2 thrust in a very close pattern.
5:38:45Hanoi P.O.L.
5:38:45target reported 75 percent destroyed by first flight.
5:38:49Flames observed to 200 feet.
5:38:52Second flight reported black roaming smoke to 10,000 feet.
5:38:55Searchlight reported the target burning totally out of control upon arrival, and is possible burning more so than we left.
5:39:13Haiphong open storage area, two huge cistern sides.
5:39:17Haiphong storage east, major damage.
5:39:18Haiphong airfield, six units destroyed on the ground.
5:39:20This is six pages.
5:39:23This is how you combat violence.
5:39:31This isn't reconnaissance.
5:39:35Sand sized, one large secondary explosion, and 100 foot orange fireball.
5:39:41It is visual.
5:39:43It must be pretty true.
5:39:44Oh, yeah.
5:39:44Four large secondary explosions.
5:39:46It kind of goes through the target list.
5:40:01In significant observations, there were several reports of which were notable.
5:40:08For example, a very large secondary global symposium from the PDR in the direction of high farm crop positions and 110 nautical miles out of the city.
5:40:15And so forth.
5:40:16Now, on the ground, I want to give you a brief report on the naval combat.
5:40:37Air Force 77 conducted strikes against the peninsula for an hour, over 900 rounds of 6-inch, 5-inch, and another kind of 5-inch were delivered on targets with the coastal defence side.
5:40:42Larry, having also passed that defence fire, was open, but he was very angry.
5:40:45Hammer, the student, which had recovered on May 7, 2005, the pilot who was reported to be Commander Morris, is a satisfactory trade, completely defrauded.
5:41:06He was in the water about seven minutes.
5:41:07Hammer now did a recovery on the break of the key task force commander and continued to fire on the coast defense side, spurring the recovery.
5:41:10This is from MacMahon.
5:41:11His strike was a complete success.
5:41:12and was made all the more worthwhile by the recovery of Commander Moss, with fishing boats and torpedo boats all around him.
5:41:28He will certainly be in Northeastern East Ham since transport 71 has been ordered on this ship to strike what implies a core unread, with a surface strike to the support of the troops as we destroy it from the brink.
5:41:35Great show.
5:41:43Ready for the repeat.
5:41:55You know, that helps the morale of the Navy, doesn't it?
5:42:03Oh, absolutely.
5:42:04This is a 10-page report, very large, very technical, two lines of fake fire, major damage.
5:42:08They knocked down, I don't know what they knocked down.
5:42:13They hit the truck park.
5:42:15I was going to tell you, they hit one truck park with 600 trucks.
5:42:17In one truck, probably 500 trucks.
5:42:24They can't associate how much damage they did.
5:42:35The one thing they also did do, I must say, is they probably hit a Soviet ship.
5:42:42So they had to do it somehow.
5:42:42I think they did.
5:42:43Actually, without authority, but within a mile of the fields, and one of the bombs was done.
5:42:45Maybe.
5:42:45Can't concur.
5:42:45Okay.
5:42:46I didn't know he had, Mr. President.
5:42:55Well, if he can, he'll be can for other reasons.
5:43:04It will strike me candidly that I, the way Kilgreden was slaughtering last night, I could have read it out of my own memory.
5:43:12It was great.
5:43:13It was a whole something.
5:43:13I think it was a problem here.
5:43:14It was a little harder work.
5:43:15President, look at it the other way.
5:43:24If the trip succeeds, you have done one of the greatest things in foreign policy, maybe the greatest in American history, because anybody can slobber around in Beijing and Moscow.
5:43:37Not anyone could have said no.
5:43:38But, you know, all of that, no one who does it has gracefully eschewed.
5:43:42Ah.
5:43:43But your strength is that you are doing it from company.
5:43:48And if you can make the Russians take you after doing this to the other, it will make you all get the credit in the period of time.
5:44:01But Kennedy's Cuban thing, it was produced by incompetence and followed by incompetence.
5:44:06Certainly followed by incompetence.
5:44:07And produced by it, the Russians would never have dared...
5:44:23The Russians wouldn't dare to put missiles into Cuba against you.
5:44:26No, I agree.
5:44:26I agree with you.
5:44:26He brought them out of Cuba.
5:44:27So, uh...
5:44:27I think that now, on the ground, in Anzac yesterday, there were two tank attacks.
5:44:30They claimed to have knocked out 10 out of 11 in one wave and 9 out of 10 in the other.
5:44:53And I was probably supposed to say, is there a keeper airplane?
5:44:54No.
5:44:54But in one wave, I noticed that he was 7 out of 10 .
5:44:56And the other people, I frankly don't believe those figures.
5:44:57On the other hand, the fact is they didn't take the town.
5:44:58They haven't taken it yet.
5:45:00And what's more, they have a bit more airborne units.
5:45:18The 22th Division is coming in from the, it's a good one.
5:45:20Yeah, that's a good division.
5:45:20They're today going to be paired to the range of battalions.
5:45:22And if they, and Maud, I'll tell you, if they don't take it, but if the next 36 hours they aren't going to take it, I don't know.
5:45:27Abrams is really important to be able to do something like that.
5:45:29Now the district is finished.
5:45:36Everything should go in there.
5:45:38Why not everything?
5:45:40Look, it's like we're done.
5:45:41You know, it's, you know, Baldwin made a big error.
5:45:44I mean, the French made an error to defend it.
5:45:47He made an error to attack.
5:45:49But this is now becoming a half-assed symbol.
5:45:50Does Abrams know this?
5:45:50I think Mr. President, in tactical battles, we've got to leave him alone.
5:45:53He knows that very well.
5:45:54I know that this is a tactical battle that has great strategic consequences.
5:46:03But the thing to do is to take all of his air and just dump it in there on the sun's kitchens.
5:46:05But he's also got an offensive operation going at him on the bottom.
5:46:08I think, Mr. President, for example, the full effect of our build-up isn't going to be covered until this week.
5:46:25When this started two weeks ago, we were flying 360 soldiers a day.
5:46:30This week, we're going to be flying 650 soldiers.
5:46:33Next week, we're going to be flying 800 soldiers.
5:46:35And another week, 10.
5:46:36So we have more than doubled our soldiers.
5:46:38We have more than 10 more destroyers are coming in to cover the whole group up.
5:46:55And I just don't .
5:47:01We are close to .
5:47:09Some scores sound spectacular.
5:47:27It says, some idiot of the White House staff, unfortunately, told the New York Times, told Kevin Smith, if Goulet falls to Moscow, he'll be scrapped, and he's going to put himself in possession of the city.
5:47:33Oh, my God, Scott told anybody anything.
5:47:34I told him not to talk to the goddamn New York Times.
5:47:35Do you think it was somebody?
5:47:35Well, let's look.
5:47:36They said, in White House, they said today, if Goulet falls to Moscow, they're going to...
5:47:38I don't know if that's going to make sense.
5:47:57I don't actually know.
5:47:57Henry, who is the slide is trying to deal with the work way.
5:48:03It must be.
5:48:04Well, I said at a staff meeting that provincial towns don't have it.
5:48:05Well, who do you think is talking about that?
5:48:06It doesn't help with it.
5:48:07I don't think it helps with it.
5:48:08It's not right now even under attack.
5:48:21But that's the one area where they still, there are two areas where they have, in third corps, Mr. President, they have ten more days, two weeks at most, and then they'll have got their long range, the combination of imminent range and supplies.
5:48:38The casualties they must take, they're on the task force.
5:48:57That just has to be.
5:48:59And so they can keep it up for a while.
5:49:00But what they're doing to themselves now, in 1968, they lost their lives, but they still had their main force, humans.
5:49:05And therefore, they were not in danger of defeat.
5:49:06They just couldn't keep the country in peace.
5:49:07But in this year, what we are doing for Cambodia, for example, there are three divisions that are attacking ANLOC, the divisions they know that they have in Cambodia.
5:49:29Those divisions, if they don't now topple the whole thing, they topple the whole thing and put the people in jail.
5:49:32I don't mean ANLOC, but the whole thing for security.
5:49:34That seems to me already to be one of the reasons.
5:49:37But if they don't do that, they're going to be through this year and most of next year.
5:49:59And I don't think that they can in city.
5:50:00Yeah.
5:50:00We are working over that.
5:50:01We're working one over pretty good now, too.
5:50:02Okay.
5:50:03I noticed that one of the archives are real successful in the fall.
5:50:07The papers are, the papers really show our press is so dishonest.
5:50:18I mean, it's almost as dishonest as our military is.
5:50:21Mr. President, we may lose.
5:50:22It would be absolutely miraculous if we got through this offensive without losing one or two provincial powers.
5:50:28And that we've always expected.
5:50:31So far, it's a miracle that we haven't lost one yet.
5:50:32And if we think
5:50:33How far, how far we have come in the last two weeks, Mr. President, from Easter Sunday, is disorganized.
5:50:53Three questions.
5:50:53Two weeks.
5:50:54Two weeks.
5:50:54Easter.
5:50:54Easter Sunday.
5:50:54Easter Sunday.
5:50:55You have disorganized South Virginia's children.
5:50:56They're streaming back to the South, but the headline of this now is Blitzkrieg.
5:50:58But the offense has been going for three years.
5:51:12The offense has been going for three years.
5:51:24We have been farming north-east of Mount David, which is really minor, because B-52s, this time last week, Mr. President, you were telling about one big B-52 strike on then, since then.
5:51:46Since then, Wednesday, we doubled the B-52 force on 50 miles per second north and then north-east.
5:51:49Yesterday, we had the most tremendous strike of the whole war in the Haifa, Hanoi area.
5:52:03All of this time, within a two-week period, they had lost, according to the estimates, over 10,000 kills.
5:52:07I tend to believe that it may in fact be higher than this because these B-52 strikes must hit sunset.
5:52:24They've got to be within our temporary range of these outposts.
5:52:28We keep this up another four weeks.
5:52:29In fact, one thing we have to consider is that it may not, it's certainly not in our interest to accept that as well.
5:52:31That's going to be our problem as well.
5:52:34We ought to keep this going long enough to chew up that army in the south so that we can fight it.
5:52:55So Friedman told me yesterday, I don't have to hear from him.
5:52:56I'm coming.
5:52:57It's not a sad concern.
5:52:57Go ahead.
5:52:57Well, his original orders were to come two weeks Monday night.
5:52:59And, you know, but I've offered it.
5:53:02So that he said, boy, don't be concerned if they knock it off.
5:53:13Then you and Chris will get away with it.
5:53:16You see, we've got design code prepared to blockade and go all the way.
5:53:21President, we must have a very rapid means of communication.
5:53:22For some, it has to be.
5:53:23I mean, this is, we did it with folks.
5:53:24When he comes to my house at 9 o'clock at night, his love is all over the place.
5:53:28And he said, I'll be waiting for his blood to be revealed.
5:53:29He said, is there any doubt about your coming?
5:53:38There can't be any doubt.
5:53:39It's clear two days of freshman schedule.
5:53:40I said, well, the freshman wants to hear whether there will be some complete results.
5:53:44He said, we can't promise you complete results because we don't even know what your proposition is yet.
5:53:49All we can promise you is it will be the first agenda item, and nothing else will be discussed until then.
5:53:52He said, of course, you have to recognize that you're dealing with the chairman of the largest communist party.
5:54:09What if he wants to discuss something else?
5:54:10I said, I know that Mr. Brezhnev outranks me, but the president has given me the firmest instruction, which has nothing to do with that.
5:54:14It has to do with the fact that I'm not a free agent.
5:54:15The president has ordered me, and I want you leaders to understand that, and I will not be able to be the agent of those instructions.
5:54:18It could be that they have a public bureaucracy that they have changed their mind.
5:54:34It could be that when they realize how bad this attack was, that they like it all.
5:54:42But then they're going to have to deal with it.
5:54:45They're going to have to deal with it.
5:54:46If they want a good summit, they know Mr. President that if they want a good summit, I can prepare it better because I know you're thinking better than anyone else.
5:55:04I mean, in terms of preparations, it's just more reliable for them.
5:55:15I would have to sit down with you, go over this whole thing a little bit just to make sure that I have a very clear picture of what you would be able to do, take the conclusion on Vietnam, on Vietnam, too.
5:55:40But he practically triggered me.
5:55:40He said, can I say that if there's no meeting by May 2, that there won't be one?
5:55:42I said, yes.
5:55:42I thought, Mr. President, we might as well play it through.
5:55:43I said, I can't.
5:55:46He said, I can't tell you.
5:56:06I said, I can't tell you the difference, but not all of it.
5:56:07I said, I'm on May 6th, and the last day is too close to December.
5:56:08It doesn't give us enough chance to take action, but he would interpret that as something the West had done, and he can't stop it.
5:56:11He said, can't do it this way, but do it more, and to accept it all the reason he replied.
5:56:13I said, we cannot stop bombing, but we have to stay away from Manoa, I thought.
5:56:16He said, we have the bomb in the military area.
5:56:38He said, well, no, we have it in the military area.
5:56:39I said, if it's not, we can stay away from it.
5:56:40I said, Mr. President, imagine anyone talking like this about an ally.
5:56:41The note he has for me is so weak.
5:56:44It is so much softer than what they gave us directly that I just know that they are twisted around.
5:56:59And it must be a shattering experience to them when their hour of crisis comes.
5:57:06I mean, if we treated you the way they are now treating Hanoi, with a sort of tempered support, urging them to talk,
5:57:12saying they should come to Moscow to negotiate with me.
5:57:29If we treat a few like that, we collapse.
5:57:34In the mere fact that they are talking to their heart and they have this as a major deceitful amount.
5:57:36Even, as I said, if I'm there to play the theme, I don't know.
5:57:43You know, any other president, including Nelson, who is... Nelson would have called in 30 advisors.
5:58:01There would have been branding activity around the White House.
5:58:03He would have been pretty tough within the existing resources.
5:58:05I don't know anyone in this country who would have doubled, more than doubled up because of his voice.
5:58:09All right.
5:58:32If I go to Moscow, it makes absolutely no difference whether I come back with something or not.
5:58:46To me, the fact that Moscow has received me after the bombing of my body indicates your policy.
5:58:53If they don't receive you, then we know what we have to do.
5:58:54But it's best to learn what you've received.
5:58:57We'll know where the cards lie.
5:58:59I will not go to Moscow on your behalf now from a position of weakness.
5:59:22Because of the bomb, yes.
5:59:23Up to yesterday, we were just threatening.
5:59:24You think they are not going to respond?
5:59:25You think because of this, that it's over?
5:59:26Number 50.
5:59:26Number 50.
5:59:27Number 50.
5:59:27The original plan was to go into a couple of stores and pay them to screen so much for mentality and all that.
5:59:30As far as I was concerned, the message is the same.
5:59:46Indeed, people say that the past has really shaken and oiled the total ineffectiveness of the air defense system.
5:59:51Here we were in the 260 airplanes all together, and they shoot out two.
5:59:55They lost the B-52s of the radar altogether.
6:00:04They got so confused.
6:00:09They dropped so many tons of jam that they got totally confused and they thought the attack was coming from the other direction.
6:00:23It was a shame, you know.
6:00:25It must be a shock for their population.
6:00:38Here they are two times, before you start to crow about it, and now suddenly it starts again.
6:00:44And it starts again in a way that must be really imaginifiable, that you can see 110 miles away.
6:00:46It must be seen all over those three times.
6:00:47What about the period of the bombing, right?
6:00:51It's definitely a resolution.
6:00:52The rivalry goes on day after day after day.
6:01:06We keep struggling.
6:01:08You see, it's motor as well.
6:01:09They never let it go out there before.
6:01:11Every target was picked, and they couldn't give them an open target.
6:01:14that they told them they had to attack, say, within 24 hours.
6:01:21And if they didn't attack within these 24 hours, they lost the authority.
6:01:29He said, in your case, what we did is we gave them a list of 10 targets.
6:01:37Well, not more than 14 targets.
6:01:38He said, you can hit any one of those, depending on the situation.
6:01:39The only thing is we don't want many to have been captured.
6:01:41They could pick the time.
6:01:45They could pick the number of stories.
6:01:47They had the right to do it.
6:01:49For example, Johnny Boak, some of these targets, they went in three ways.
6:01:57And some of these targets were so destroyed in the first way that Boak went to two targets that they had planned on in the second and third way.
6:02:07I mean, I mean, I mean, if we can't always make the promise to the brand, I'm just looking back.
6:02:21Maybe we should have just demolished it off then.
6:02:22What we should have done, Mr. Benjamin, is to go in and run away and send your four-hour train.
6:02:25Yes.
6:02:48They had all together about 3,000 staff rockets in Vietnam.
6:03:12Since this offensive started, they've already expected about 600.
6:03:16I think what you have to have is something that takes us after the election.
6:03:41And that's the way it has to work.
6:03:43That's got to come right away, because that can be a very violent issue in this country.
6:04:07Can it return to that?
6:04:08We'll work out a receipt as to what you've been doing.
6:04:09I'm working on this proposal right now.
6:04:11And we've got to get it done with a cool deal.
6:04:24We've got to use this time, and they think, you know, we're doing so great.
6:04:26But do we still want to build it tomorrow?
6:04:28You know, it would be a hard line.
6:04:30Exactly.
6:04:34I just keep this as your memo that you can avoid it.
6:04:46I've been talking to him too much.
6:04:48I don't think... Because he has a tendency then of listening to what you say.
6:04:55It will also result in what if he has something inside him.
6:04:56He can't do it.
6:04:56And we covered it.
6:04:57We covered it and he has left.
6:04:58And he said he has no choice.
6:04:59No, we're stuck.
6:05:08And they had to spend a few hours on it.
6:05:13Laird's, how's Laird's coming around?
6:05:17Oh, I put it out.
6:05:17He said he thought it all up.
6:05:18Good.
6:05:18Good.
6:05:18I don't mind.
6:05:18And then he said he made you do it.
6:05:19Good.
6:05:19Good.
6:05:20We did that.
6:05:20This stuff is so... Let him think.
6:05:21Let him think of something else.
6:05:23But is he your president now?
6:05:26Oh, Mr. President, you can tell.
6:05:29See, in the bombing in the Panhandle, they told him, they said, one warehouse destroyed, two bridges down, two secondary explosions.
6:05:44Here they tell us there's so many secondary explosions that we haven't paid, we haven't totaled the fund yet.
6:05:46There's so many fires that we don't know what's underneath the fires.
6:05:50You mentioned a fireball going 10,000 feet underneath.
6:06:02That roll in there is a very tough job.
6:06:08That's got to come in preceded.
6:06:10Smoke, black rolling smoke, would be on 10,000 feet at two miles across.
6:06:16Two miles across.
6:06:19more intensely when we left.
6:06:28The line this week on negotiations should be there.
6:06:29We'll negotiate only when they stop their fighting and invasions, is that correct?
6:06:40We hold to that all week long and take the heat, which we'll have to take and not negotiate.
6:06:44Okay.
6:06:44How's this going?
6:06:44This is going to be long, too.
6:06:50six pages of damage, etc.
6:06:58Let me say this.
6:07:06You were saying, Don, we ought to watch ourselves in that position and the trouble with Johnson and the bomb.
6:07:10Well, again, it didn't give the appearance that we had done something good.
6:07:12We've been hard on our acts and soft on our rhetoric.
6:07:14Now, are we making a mistake and not doing something?
6:07:15I'm just asking.
6:07:15I hope... Mr. President, we could become the most comfortable...
6:07:18We saw, in other words, we will take, you will just have to take the public opinion, and they'll go big now.
6:07:41That's what happens, but you see the point is that if they agree to a meeting on this 24th of May, then we can announce the end of this week that we're going to a panel discussion on this 27th, to a meeting on this 24th, and we hope for them.
6:07:46And if necessary, blow their own trip next week.
6:08:01That would become public.
6:08:02Oh, yeah.
6:08:02Yeah.
6:08:02Yeah.
6:08:02Yeah.
6:08:02Yeah.
6:08:02Yeah.
6:08:02Yeah.
6:08:07The roll in there is a very tough job.
6:08:13That's got to come in first.
6:08:18Smoke, black rolling smoke, would be on 10,000 feet at two miles across.
6:08:34Two miles across, that's more than 10,000 when we left.
6:08:36The line this week on negotiations should be there.
6:08:44We'll negotiate only when they stop their fighting and invasion, is that correct?
6:08:47Yes.
6:08:48We hold to that all week long and take the heat, which we'll have to take and not negotiate.
6:08:58Okay.
6:08:58How's this going?
6:08:58This is going to be long, too.
6:09:05Six pages of damage, it says.
6:09:19Let me say this.
6:09:22You were saying, we don't want to find yourself in that position, in trouble with Johnson, that he bombed.
6:09:26Well, again, it didn't give the appearance that we had been constantly doing it even harder.
6:09:28Our acts soften our rhetoric.
6:09:29Now, are we making a mistake in not doing something?
6:09:30I'm just asking.
6:09:30Mr. President, we couldn't have done something.
6:09:33We will take the public opinion.
6:09:49But you see the point is that if they agree to a meeting on the 24th of May, then we can announce the end of this week that we are going to a panel discussion on the 27th.
6:09:59To a meeting on the 24th, and we hope to...
6:10:00And if necessary, blow their own trim next week.
6:10:20And it will be delighted to have it.
6:10:21Have it become public?
6:10:21Oh, yeah.
6:10:21Yeah.
6:10:21They have no interest in keeping it.
6:10:23Because, yeah, they're like, we're trying to make sure they know that.
6:10:24We'll put it up in Moscow.
6:10:25So let's look a little further.
6:10:26I mean, I'm just trying to think of this and determine how you write the paper.
6:10:27What did you tell the Russians?
6:10:31Suppose the Russians can't deliver them on a time for it.
6:10:52Suppose we do not have any.
6:10:52We just need to bomb hell out of them on that.
6:10:54We can't.
6:10:54You see, I don't.
6:10:54We continue to have airstrikes on the north.
6:10:56But your view is that you couldn't blockade.
6:10:57If you understand if we blockade, the Russians couldn't have a summit at the time of the blockade.
6:10:59what we must do.
6:11:14I said this yesterday before I had had the right to testify.
6:11:15You agree, I agree with you.
6:11:16I just, what I said to the President, I said, we will not send a little federal country to destroy two American presidents.
6:11:22And we will destroy each other.
6:11:23They must think you're a reviewer.
6:11:30You have lost all rationality.
6:11:32Therefore, we mustn't be reasonable.
6:11:33We mustn't give the impression that this worst course is to appear now of backing off.
6:11:39We mustn't say, yes, may or may not.
6:11:46I'm just saying.
6:11:46However, suppose that they don't deliver the soft market immediately and then nothing comes out of your .
6:12:00But if they don't, if they don't, then is our course then to blockade and flush the summit?
6:12:05Or is our course just to bomb like hell and go to the summit anyway?
6:12:07.
6:12:08I'm just thinking.
6:12:23I'm just wondering what our options really are.
6:12:26We have a 70-30 set.
6:12:27We cannot afford to lose, Mr. President, because if we back out now, we're not going to.
6:12:47I would tend, perhaps, to go to one day.
6:12:48But at first, we want to go to a massive box.
6:12:52Well, we certainly will find one day.
6:12:53It's not building bad weather.
6:12:53None of the weather is improving now.
6:12:54It's just constantly improving.
6:12:55But now, we need to start to get softer.
6:12:58Exactly.
6:13:03Ask the weather groups in the north if there's weather in the south.
6:13:15The north may, because if they're illegal, because if they're illegal, then for them, they can't use banks.
6:13:18They won't keep someone in the bank, only because they want that great area.
6:13:20In the same sense, if you don't force them, if you don't face them down, now, you can decide to go to the summit.
6:13:24All this, whatever it is that we've got to put into the plan, that happens at some point.
6:13:45And God will do Jesus out of it, and all you can do is look at it.
6:13:47Okay.
6:13:47I'm thinking of the standpoint of the American public.
6:13:48It's important to look at it higher.
6:13:48The road, if time goes on, I don't know.
6:13:50Mr. President, what this country needs, I believe in today.
6:14:13Mr. President, if you pull this off, you will become not just an executive, but a party leader.
6:14:15So you personally, because you've taken so much into your life, your presidency, that you think this would not happen, and I did, for the second time.
6:14:18But if you started this, everybody would actually
6:14:20with a whole intellectual establishment with these misguided philosophies.
6:14:33If you pull this country on the right course now as you do it, this is going to have a tremendous impact on the whole philosophy of self-confidence.
6:14:37Why is it
6:14:38that they don't dare to tackle you so much because, first of the time, they're tackling us now.
6:14:52But not like in Cambodia.
6:14:54Oh, but Muskie and Perry, you see his stuff this morning, Muskie Perry.
6:14:57But Muskie's always behind me.
6:14:58Muskie's always behind me.
6:14:58If we get that trip off, Mr. President, they are going to look like goddamn fools.
6:15:03Imagine what we could say if the trip failed.
6:15:04We'll say these sons of bitches, as we were negotiating, as Kissinger was going to Moscow to buy that X, they just nice doesn't come back.
6:15:21If the trip succeeds, and you can say when you come back to Moscow that the Russians want it out, the President doesn't have support at all.
6:15:27By this time, I think, Mr. President, we will have another monumental hotel which you can play any time you choose.
6:15:33In addition to the fact that if the trip cuts off, maybe they can't do it.
6:15:47But it is what we're all like.
6:15:52We're not going to worry about it.
6:15:53You have done.
6:15:54There is something to be said.
6:15:54I've been thinking a lot about the Russian side.
6:15:55There are a hell of a lot of people that don't like being in the Communist Party.
6:15:58They might not like the China thing, but they might not like the Russian thing at all.
6:15:59My view is that if the Russians...
6:16:01far so stupid to cancel it, but then we go immediately, knocking off the Germans and destroy Brown.
6:16:12Right?
6:16:12You agree with that?
6:16:13We go immediately then also to a blockade.
6:16:17See, that's my view.
6:16:19And we can show them all the offers we've made them all last year, isn't it?
6:16:42And you had offered to send me to Moscow, and they took that, and they .
6:16:43Because they know, they probably figured that you, don't you think you have convinced Sabrina that we do have a blockade in mind?
6:16:46You know that?
6:16:46Mr. President, the reason I say this is to put you at least later doing a second thing, because we've had a pass, and these people saying, don't do it, don't do it, it's like, you've got to get stuff on, it's an oil problem, and you've got to come here and make it.
6:17:08I don't know if you should say that.
6:17:09Mr. President.
6:17:09Mr. President.
6:17:10Yes, Mr. President.
6:17:10One last thing, what do you hear?
6:17:32Any of our Hawk, what about the Joe Alsop?
6:17:35Mr. President, you don't hear them.
6:17:44They're all found.
6:17:50Well, Dick Wilson wrote his second piece, I guess.
6:17:53You know, I had a lot of quotes last time, other than Dick and Mike's, which I'm honored to say.
6:17:56Right.
6:17:56I think it's best to die on it.
6:17:57Who stayed the hell out of it?
6:17:57The Trumps.
6:17:58Keep the White House out of it.
6:17:58But, Mr. President, you don't take any calls.
6:17:59If that dad trip comes up,
6:18:01I could just see the articles of the cruel nerve of the president pushing his tricks into the palm pack and into the O.P.A.
6:18:11And this would have been the way he stepped up the pressure on the Soviets.
6:18:15And then, you know, in a very, I'd say rather small way, but it's important to go up to Canada and fuck around up there and up here and just, you know, laughing all over and all that crap.
6:18:34And just the time we were making these commitments, you can imagine Johnson being against it.
6:18:36And he always said, he told me that Johnson would come to leave it.
6:18:37He just bashed him.
6:18:37He was talking to them all night.
6:18:40I understand they have no authority, but I don't want them to think that we are
6:19:00that we are backing down.
6:19:13I think we should tell them now for the next week we want to concentrate on the battle area and throw everything into battle.
6:19:19I don't think we should tell them anything.
6:19:20Just state that the existing authorities, which is the Naval, that the bomb up to the 19th parallel, it was a naval gunfire all the way up to .
6:19:23We can't go up to .
6:19:24But the 20th gets every goal except for an arm.
6:19:36It gets that one certain amount of .
6:19:38And they can attack every airfield between the 20th and the .
6:19:42So that gives them more authority than they ever asked for.
6:19:49Right.
6:19:49And sort of .
6:19:49OK. Good.
6:19:49All right.
6:19:50Well, Mr. President, I thank you.
6:19:50I thank you.
6:19:51I know that they just hit paddy fields.
6:19:54This would be a good signal, but they are moving.
6:19:57And this, I repeat, is just visual observation while they were being fired at.
6:20:08And this doesn't cover, for example, the truck park.
6:20:11This only covers explosions.
6:20:13This doesn't cover damage, which doesn't lead to explosions.
6:20:20We have no good estimate of the charge.
6:20:32No, uh, somebody, I think some people that were held for this, that were, that we need to deal with, I mean, those poor backers who sit in some camp up there, they've seen some of this and they heard this, and if it made them feel good, well, wouldn't it you, you would move them?
6:20:47Mr. President, they must have seen, all over Vietnam, if the Kitty Hawk could see this flame 110 miles away,
6:20:50that all over at least the most populated areas of Vietnam, they must have seen these planes.
6:20:55They must have seen them in China.
6:20:58Say well done to that from me, to the destroyer.
6:21:04I think that's a nice thing.
6:21:05Send it to McCain.
6:21:07Please pass to the crew and the commander.
6:21:11President, well done.
6:21:13From President, old Navy man, well done.
6:21:16Thank you.
6:21:42Hello?
6:21:44The church?
6:21:47Bye.
6:21:47Sorry to let you go out, Paul.
6:22:46Thank you.
6:23:25I'll message you next weekend, please.
6:23:54Give me the military aid's office, please.
6:24:19Hello?
6:24:19Yeah.
6:24:20Hello?
6:24:20Jack, we would like to go up to Camp David.
6:24:42I wonder if they could tell us about 1 o'clock.
6:24:43I'll inform it all up here.
6:24:43All right.
6:24:44Incidentally, Henry told me that the Pentagon is jumping up and down about that strut.
6:24:45There you go.
6:24:46All right.
6:24:47OK.
6:26:13Reddard, would you please tell us next to the departure from 1 o'clock, Reddard, on the 13th, to what?
6:26:40What?
6:26:40Thing.
6:26:40Hello.
6:26:40Patrick.
6:26:41I'm sorry.
6:26:42Yeah, he was at church earlier, and he is my father.
6:27:11Major Brennan again, please.
6:27:23So, yeah.
6:27:39Well, I was church today.
6:27:45The, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh,
6:27:49the best they've ever had in the whole world.
6:28:05It's not because of the patrons, but it's invigilating.
6:28:06It's knocking a lot of stores down.
6:28:07But it's a very effective way to do that.
6:28:08Maybe it's because of the price, but oil stores in particular, it's knocking a lot of, and they need to show a little bit of sure value.
6:28:11I think he realizes that there's no other choice now.
6:28:32And of course, I think he should because none of them know the other card we're playing.
6:28:39Why the hell didn't they do it before?
6:28:57Because Russia wouldn't let us.
6:29:00But let me get off to that end.
6:29:11There's a couple of things I want to check with you.
6:29:15I go to the camp stage at 1 o'clock.
6:29:21I'll be back tomorrow about time for the calmer lunch.
6:29:25No problem with that.
6:29:25You don't have to check on me.
6:29:26It's only one, perhaps, that should be specific to Cullen.
6:29:27I'll be at the camp stage at 1 o'clock.
6:29:28My feeling of Cullen is that he's still as unmindful as he was.
6:29:30But that would be a pretty good time.
6:29:58As you know, I
6:29:59I'd really like to have to keep myself totally free this week, at least through this week.
6:30:12I have to do one exception.
6:30:13Well, here's the cabinet thing.
6:30:14I mean, I don't know.
6:30:39Well, then they give a briefing.
6:30:56They give a briefing on the situation.
6:30:57You know, just say to the captain, there will be a briefing as to what our situation is.
6:30:59You know, if that roger is in the lair, you can't do it.
6:31:00And maybe we should just...
6:31:01So here the captain teaches you... Well, how about this?
6:31:02Just as a substitution.
6:31:03Now, Maura and that bunch, they have briefed, you might tell Maura and Larry, they have briefed the congressmen and senators.
6:31:14They should tell the cabinet officers that they will do that and brief them on the military situation.
6:31:25How does that sound to you?
6:31:26So that they'll know what's going on.
6:31:27No, there will be a briefing for members of the sub-cabinets.
6:31:30You know, one of the roads there.
6:31:46Just put it on for those that want to attend.
6:31:47Yeah, over there.
6:31:47Yeah, I'm trying to figure.
6:31:54There is a briefing in September.
6:31:55Yeah, I wonder if that is.
6:31:56But it's true.
6:31:56We can hold on that for tomorrow.
6:31:57We figured, uh, figured I could, as opposed to if I come on every one of them tomorrow, we could go on that.
6:32:16You know, we couldn't have a leaders meeting this week in any of that, right?
6:32:18It's actually done now for, I mean, clearly we don't need to have one next week either, but, but, there we go.
6:32:20All of our guys will be there that week, so that'll be good.
6:32:22Well, let me say this on the cabinet.
6:32:40Let's look at it tomorrow.
6:32:41On the other hand, there is one thing.
6:32:47In this period, I've got to count on you two.
6:32:48You've got to get the coast authorized.
6:32:49And I'm not going to talk to that order.
6:32:50Because I figure they're all self-guarded anyway.
6:32:52They've got the guidance.
6:33:02It is very important for you to have a talk with Colson and Gregory.
6:33:15Even today, they're there to watch and tell them to support the president.
6:33:17Tell them we've got a good case here and don't be afraid of it.
6:33:18They have players who will play.
6:33:22You know, he told them about some ads, maybe, you know, to try to get some good figures.
6:33:46We invited him to understand, and he'll crank up on that.
6:33:47Now, the other thing that, of course, I will put my mind to this, which is the thing that I'm just very pleased to be here today.
6:33:49I'm going to stay on that.
6:33:54Well, not for that, but it's been perfect.
6:34:23We can handle precedents as being pressed up.
6:34:33We won't allow them in some cases.
6:34:39Yeah.
6:34:39I know that.
6:34:40What was my point all along?
6:34:49I just had a statement after that.
6:34:50Thank you.
6:34:50What if they come back and say, oh, we

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