Nixon, Haldeman & Ziegler on Watergate and Public Relations

1:10:53It's really very good that John and I have met at the present time on another matter, but he, I'm glad he's attending.
1:10:58He's our people all the time.
1:10:59The NEA, if they should get back to that freedom, they're supposed to be there when they're out on the streets.
1:11:13Really, if you sit around and sign autographs,
1:11:28So we're doing a lot of
1:11:40things that I just wouldn't put my head in.
1:11:43It's a very good idea.
1:11:44Sure.
1:11:44But it does show presidential interest.
1:11:46And I guess I don't have, I don't know.
1:11:48They can't.
1:11:49Did NEA say you ignored it that morning?
1:11:50NEA is basically a public organization.
1:11:53She's a part of the future.
1:11:56There are lots of our friends, you know, people of color.
1:11:58The establishment of running these organizations don't control all their members, so their members see us kind of worried and wonder about the consequences of this mess all the time.
1:12:06See?
1:12:06That's absolutely right.
1:12:07That's why cabinet officers should go, you know, family.
1:12:12But the family thing is a weapon that we are using to create the effectively for the last year.
1:12:21As a matter of fact, we do it there ever since the Whitties.
1:12:30We have to realize the...
1:12:35It's really ineffective.
1:12:38We hold them so well.
1:12:43It's just like anything else.
1:12:44The more they do, the better they do it.
1:12:46Yeah.
1:12:47And the more value they have, because they build their own celebrity value in the process, they build their importance becomes more established.
1:12:56Well, I'm just getting ready for this.
1:13:05Let me ask this.
1:13:06In the handling of the budget that I run, Dicker's advice, and I think it's very good, is to stay right with the disabled, actually, because there's actually a budget amount to add to that.
1:13:17The question that we'll ask, was there any White House involvement?
1:13:24And the way that they've prepared themselves on the White House, I'm not sure if there was any White House involvement, or if they're lying.
1:13:33I don't think it's happened.
1:13:38with my own staff, well, that's too much of an obvious in my opinion.
1:13:42I think you should just be saying that there's no one else involved.
1:13:50Or is that, did they phrase that?
1:13:51I'm just trying to think whether...
1:13:53I don't know, but it may be that they're concerned that there's... No?
1:13:58The only question is whether technically that puts you in a...
1:14:02In a position of comment?
1:14:04Well, no, in a spot in the sense that...
1:14:12On a direct basis, while you're asking about it, I think you're absolutely correct.
1:14:21No question.
1:14:24The only thing is that you can get it in the sense that Hunt was involved.
1:14:28And Hunt was a consultant for the White House.
1:14:32At the time, he was in.
1:14:37Yeah.
1:14:40Say it again.
1:14:42Well, that's the only line in the White House you've got.
1:14:49There are other people that are former White House people who could at some point become involved.
1:14:56Or maybe I'm mistaken.
1:14:57But they weren't.
1:14:58They aren't White House members.
1:15:02Yeah.
1:15:03Hi.
1:15:03Hello.
1:15:03Hi, Bob.
1:15:04Could you know we're going to buckle forward at 3 o'clock?
1:15:06Thank you.
1:15:11Uh, let me ask one question, uh, that, uh, uh, in, in, in my, in my, in my, in my, in my intentions of this thing.
1:15:22Well, uh, this is a great way to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to,
1:15:34Now, the only thing I would say, the only question I can press on is whether or not I think I should say no, but I don't know.
1:15:43I notice that you say, well, nothing has been happening here .
1:15:52I don't want to say that.
1:15:53Is that what you've been saying, Mark?
1:15:58Yeah, I know, but he's not quite as a .
1:16:04Yeah, I'm tracking.
1:16:05I'm tracking.
1:16:13No.
1:16:13No.
1:16:14Fine.
1:16:14Fine.
1:16:15I'll just say it.
1:16:15Mr. Ziggler's covered that.
1:16:17How's that?
1:16:18I think I'm just leaving then.
1:16:19You don't have any stories.
1:16:21Mr. Ziggler's there.
1:16:26Okay.
1:16:26Yeah, well, I don't think I'll get into it, though.
1:16:28What do you think?
1:16:29Do you want me to?
1:16:32No, no.
1:16:33But it's a nice thing to have that you are sometimes saying, well, I don't know, I don't know.
1:16:39Maybe you don't want to have to spend too much time with the other side.
1:16:47Yeah.
1:16:47Yeah.
1:16:47Yeah.
1:16:47Yeah.
1:16:48I just beg your attention.
1:16:52Okay.
1:16:52Okay.
1:16:52Thank God.
1:16:53Now, I think I'll just say, well, Mr. Zipper, here's part of that.
1:16:58So he said he'd been asked whether Colson was involved.
1:17:01He was asked about Hunt and said he left the White House three months ago.
1:17:03He said he was asked about Colson at the third station, left Jacksonville, and he was not involved.
1:17:11I mean, it's a great respect for him.
1:17:12I mean, it's for me to get into it.
1:17:13And they bring up another story.
1:17:14The president said it was White House not involved.
1:17:15Denies White House involvement.
1:17:16Denies, yes, that's right.
1:17:18That's the one that...
1:17:20Or concerns.
1:17:21They're playing it so irresponsibly.
1:17:22What?
1:17:22They're playing it so irresponsibly in the attempt to make a White House thing out of it.
1:17:29I quote the story today, which you probably saw, where the headline says, White House, he disappears.
1:17:40Yes.
1:17:42or the White House 8 missing in that case or something.
1:17:46And they go into it.
1:17:47You have to read down 10 paragraphs.
1:17:48The former White House left, yeah.
1:17:50He was also a former... Dave O'Hara.
1:17:51It doesn't say O'Hara in the 8th.
1:17:56He disappeared.
1:17:58Somebody ought to call him.
1:17:59I know you are.
1:18:00But it took one to... Let me say this, though.
1:18:04I don't think this is a big, big country to start in the country somewhere.
1:18:08It's not.
1:18:08I've read the news already, but I'm not going to get cluttered up before the press conference on it.
1:18:13Well, let me tell you, it was completely off the TV test.
1:18:15Let me tell you something about this.
1:18:17It's kind of a statement on Europe for a reaction.
1:18:20Mark, correct me if I'm wrong.
1:18:26But I, you know, it's a Washington son-of-a-bitch story.
1:18:29Plus, what's happened to it is the American is so fucked up that everybody's laughing about it.
1:18:35Well, the point is, the New York Times is also this crazy goddamn kid.
1:18:39This association for the Americans, a right-wing anti-cash group in Cuba, in Miami, actually, and checked into the bank there.
1:18:51The Cuban thing is still... Now let me ask you this.
1:18:54I have a very strong feeling, because it's a personal thing, and because these statements are horrible to me, the revulsion of Sue Anderson.
1:19:10No, I'm pretty positive.
1:19:11The reason for it, he was not involved in this.
1:19:14Huh?
1:19:14No, but Anderson didn't say he was.
1:19:16Well, that's made a difference.
1:19:20He says that's got no play except the Anderson broadcast.
1:19:24And what Anderson said is true.
1:19:28That's the best defense against Lytle when Anderson's smart enough to know that.
1:19:36Bob did the Lytle way anyway.
1:19:38I read that, and I said, that is liable.
1:19:39I could prove, I could win that case any damn day.
1:19:42The evidence was written.
1:19:43It's an indication the proposal was tied up with this group that broke in there.
1:19:47I mean, it's very, uh...
1:19:51I'm thinking also put them off on another trail.
1:19:55So if they sued somebody, Roboto sues them.
1:19:56I'm not sure we need it now.
1:19:59We're in pretty good shape.
1:20:01Today's news is all good.
1:20:04In the first place, we've got Judge Ritchie for the civil case.
1:20:08The civil case has been the worrisome.
1:20:11Well, the Democrats outsmarted themselves.
1:20:14They made a fatal legal error.
1:20:16They filed a suit on behalf of all Democrats.
1:20:21Thereby disqualifying any Democratic judge from hearing.
1:20:27He was a party to the cause.
1:20:30So the next judge up was a Democratic judge and would have been the one assigned to the case.
1:20:35He had to disqualify himself on technical grounds because he's a part of the party to the plea.
1:20:43And then the one up after that was Judge Ritchie, who was a very solid, very... And for us, programmable, and knows exactly what's going on.
1:20:53And Ritchie has played it just beautifully.
1:20:55They intended to, well, not in public, but they intended to move him immediately on depositions.
1:21:00That was their tactic.
1:21:02So Edward Bennett Williams was in yesterday afternoon and stomping and banging the walls in Richie's chambers and everything and Richie just calmly said he was busy the rest of this week.
1:21:15He would meet with them on Monday to discuss the question of when to
1:21:20decide when to start the timing on setting dates for activity and so on.
1:21:24In other words, he's just going to let it fiddle along forever.
1:21:27And he knows, he understands it.
1:21:29There's no point in giving this to him.
1:21:33He also knows and uses the possibilities that we have in the world.
1:21:37And he'll entertain all sorts of delaying motions and all that.
1:21:42Well, another thing I think has been good, Bob, is that night, I must say, it was incredible.
1:21:48He must have gotten the word from over there to get out of the thing.
1:21:53Our security gets the fact that papers are missing.
1:21:56We're going to have a whole series of that.
1:21:58Also, it's true, yes.
1:22:00Things have been stolen.
1:22:02Yeah, let me put it that way.
1:22:03They're not really commencing any acts, but they think there's enough, you know... Well, Bob, they know damn well.
1:22:10Mr. Buck, he always... Sure.
1:22:12Chip, we tweaked every hotel room.
1:22:14That's the other thing.
1:22:15I thought that the stories this morning, even in the post, the idea that everybody's worried about Buckingham and we're doing this, and also the fact that
1:22:26Larry O'Brien says that Anderson had papers from his office.
1:22:31Well, now, this puts Anderson in the booking business.
1:22:34That's right.
1:22:35You're right.
1:22:36Sure.
1:22:36I think that's great.
1:22:37And Anderson now is denying that he got the stuff from these people, but he said, of course, I got it from an inside source.
1:22:45Yeah, see Anderson?
1:22:47Well, there's the whole thing.
1:22:48See, my part is, I just want to see that Pulitzer Prize written by one columnist.
1:22:52We've got another thing going, which has taken hold a little bit, which is we started moving on the hill, letting him come out from there, which is that this whole thing is a Jack Anderson thing.
1:23:07Jack Anderson, and that's what the Hill guys think, that this is, and they're starting to move that around now.
1:23:13And we started the rumor yesterday morning, and it's starting to come back already.
1:23:17The what?
1:23:17The Anderson?
1:23:17That Jack Anderson has put all this together.
1:23:19He was bugging the Democratic offices, and, you know, Bruce or something.
1:23:24Oh, yeah.
1:23:25Because these humans are tied to him, these are agency cues, and now he's trying to do a diversionary cover-up by putting on this other thing, and all this stuff.
1:23:32So, it's
1:23:33The great thing about this is it is so totally fucked up and so, so badly done that nobody believes that we could have done it.
1:23:44I know.
1:23:44It's just beyond comprehension.
1:23:46Well, it is.
1:23:47It sounds like a comic-con movie.
1:23:49It really does.
1:23:50It would make a funny goddamn movie.
1:23:52You know, here's these children with their accents.
1:23:57Rubber gloves and standing there.
1:23:59well-made, they're expensive, well-made business suits, wearing rubber gloves, and put their hands up and shouting, don't shoot, when the guys come in.
1:24:08It really is like a comic novel.
1:24:13Also, they have no case on time.
1:24:16Right.
1:24:17Because there is no case in there.
1:24:18They have not been able to make him.
1:24:20They can't put him into the scene at all.
1:24:22We know where he was though.
1:24:23But they don't.
1:24:24The FBI doesn't.
1:24:26They've pursued him and been unable to tie him in at all to the case.
1:24:30What about the disappearance?
1:24:31So there's no come back?
1:24:32Well, they've got no warrant for him, so they don't care whether he disappeared.
1:24:35He hasn't disappeared.
1:24:37He has disappeared.
1:24:40Yeah, but the hunt then is beginning to run out.
1:24:44The legal people, the FBI, who are running the investigation, have no, there's no way to fix Hunt on the case.
1:24:49They've issued no warrant for him.
1:24:50They don't care whether he disappears or not.
1:24:55The only thing there is, is his name is in the phone book, in the guy's address book, but there's so is the hotel clerk's name, and a lot of other things.
1:25:04The proposal's name and everything with the address book.
1:25:06I don't know.
1:25:08Another thing is he doesn't know his name.
1:25:11No, he doesn't.
1:25:11He told me he doesn't know anything.
1:25:13He doesn't know.
1:25:14He does know Suarez, but he doesn't know.
1:25:16Well, Suarez is one of the biggest contractors in Florida.
1:25:20But he doesn't know anything.
1:25:21Suarez, I think, built that big tall building that he just came, you know, that would accommodate.
1:25:25I think that's where he is.
1:25:29Another good break is they can't trace the currency.
1:25:32They just traced it to a Miami bank.
1:25:34They traced it to Miami bank, which is, that's easily done.
1:25:37But the bank cannot trace the thing beyond that.
1:25:40They may, they're not required to and they don't maintain any record of where, you know, who takes when it's $100 bills.
1:25:48If it's bigger denominations, they have to keep a record that at $100 bills they don't, so they don't have anything else.
1:25:54And that's interesting because $100 bills are so common these days, I guess.
1:25:58A lot of people carry $100 bills, I guess.
1:26:01Whatever it is, they don't maintain a record, so there's no way to trace the sources of funds.
1:26:07Even if there were, it wouldn't be a very great problem.
1:26:11Unless it could go two more steps, because the funds came from a money order from a South American company.
1:26:19So...
1:26:19They did it?
1:26:20Yeah.
1:26:20Well, that's good.
1:26:20Well, if they got to that step, then they might be able to get to the South American country and find out where the money order came from, and that isn't good.
1:26:27But up to that point, we're all right.
1:26:28And they can't even go to the next point, so we're okay on that.
1:26:31They're going to continue to crank up the Cuban operation.
1:26:33I mean, that's the tie-in.
1:26:34Well, the investigation's leading to looking to other Cubans and that kind of thing.
1:26:39These guys are alive in some other enterprises that we don't care about.
1:26:48There's a lot of tie there, and that means still a pretty good story as long as they don't get deceived.
1:26:53The thing we forget is that we know too much, and therefore read too much into what we see that other people can't read into.
1:27:03I mean, what seems obvious to us because of what we know, is the network's main thing, that they would have played it to be held.
1:27:15because they thought they had something wrong, but they maintained that it is a human thing, and even though that's a fellow historian, they say, oh, shit.
1:27:27Well, plus that might help us, because what the humans are going to say, and are starting to say, is that they're scared to death that we'll govern.
1:27:32Are they, again, did anybody start to say that?
1:27:34Yes.
1:27:34Well, good.
1:27:34How can I do that?
1:27:36Well, they've got some people to put that, a doctor or somebody.
1:27:38Oh, they're saying, oh, yeah.
1:27:40Well, I think they should say that.
1:27:44Just so it's done, I see.
1:27:46But they're getting that one.
1:27:54Look, the registered Democrats.
1:27:55Good.
1:27:57I don't know, for my purposes, if they're...
1:28:07So at this point, it's looking pretty good.
1:28:09And the one thing they are thinking about doing, which we can do with very easy cover, no problem, just for safety's sake, is to get Lydia out of the country.
1:28:16And I'll just have him go over to Europe and be checking on some of our financial contributions.
1:28:28Fundraising to Fundraising Driving Europe.
1:28:31In your favor.
1:28:33You mean the idea that they're not after him?
1:28:37Not yet, but it just, they figured, he's moved around, they sent him to LA, he's been out working on some business there, and as a routine matter, go to your event, just as well, if something does surface, not to have him around, or have to move it after it does, and then they can wait and see if we want it back, and see if we can bring it back.
1:29:01I have a question.
1:29:02I have a question.
1:29:03Well, the way they can let somebody talk gets somebody shot, which is still a potential.
1:29:05Now, they're leaving McCord in jail to keep an eye on the other guys and make any contact with them at all.
1:29:10And the guys don't, they don't want to get them out to jail.
1:29:17Apparently, they'd rather leave them in right now.
1:29:18They'd probably go home.
1:29:19I don't think they'd care.
1:29:21And it's, for a lot of reasons, it's better off in jail than it is.
1:29:27It's better for school and better, you know, for marketing.
1:29:37I didn't even cover it last night in NBC.
1:29:40It's in this paper, sure.
1:29:44But yeah, Scripps Howard is quoting unnamed sources in Miami and saying they believe the Biden regime is spying on the Democrats out of fear that the Democratic president might seek accommodation in Manchester.
1:29:58That's
1:29:59We're going to have to tighten up on the security business.
1:31:50He said he was going to be seeing Bob today.
1:31:59He covered it with him, but he was sure it was worth it.
1:32:03You know, I could look up the House and think of it, but I think it's just not good.
1:32:07I think it's better not to, and I really think he has said that he'd rather stay over at the Inn, that it's a better set up.
1:32:13He's at the House, he certainly feels he's got to stay around there.
1:32:17He goes to the Inn.
1:32:19You know, he goes to the Houses and talks to the general, but he enjoys it.
1:32:24He likes to bump out on the secretaries and the aides and all that.
1:32:27Yeah.
1:32:34Thank you.
1:33:06You know, I sure hope you can find that place over in the hallway in some place, because that last weekend, it was boring.
1:33:19I'll take it.
1:33:25For the first time in a while, we've got to have a place where we've got to have a private house.
1:33:40And even there, I don't know if it's true.
1:33:42Because what will happen is people will walk to the beach.
1:33:49You know, we've got to.
1:33:51You've got two of the most unique places in the world, and the two that you own.
1:34:06Anybody else, if you get a private house on the beach.
1:34:11I can go to a private consulate and trinkets.
1:34:13I can go to Market Bronx and trinkets.
1:34:15I have total privacy.
1:34:16I can walk out on the beach and lie out in the sun for an afternoon, go for a swim, go surfing, do anything I want to do to go out, and there's no problem.
1:34:23But if you walk out of there and onto the beach, there'd be 5,000 people gathered by the time you get out of the United States.
1:34:32But you also want to explore the United States.
1:34:39There must be, when you get down into the bay, areas where you can take the Sequoia, or I don't mean to take it from here, but you know, and swim off of the boat, you know, and we often do that at Key Biscayne, you know, some of the houses built down there.
1:35:02You know, it's key, and so on.
1:35:06Boats, if you get what I mean.
1:35:07Sure.
1:35:08Take your beach along.
1:35:10What I was thinking was take the Sequoia down to a nice place, a helicopter down to it, and get on the Sequoia, and let the night swim off the boat, you know, and so forth.
1:35:23That just might be an idea.
1:35:24Riding the Sequoia down the river is not much of a, and riding a boat all night isn't much, because I just have to go to the boat, if it were a yacht, I would.
1:35:34But the river is, but I'm thinking about getting the Sequoia to the bay,
1:35:39Which is Saltwater.
1:35:42Huh?
1:35:42Well, why don't you check that?
1:35:44Yeah.
1:35:45See if there's a good bay area for you.
1:35:46Yeah.
1:35:47That might be an idea.
1:35:48Yeah.
1:35:48But you just don't think there's a house down there.
1:35:53Well, I don't know.
1:35:53It has to be a very wealthy person, you know, and a hell of a lot of people.
1:35:57And there may be one.
1:35:58There may be somebody's estate where they've got three miles of isolated beach.
1:36:01You know, it's possible.
1:36:07...in some place where they've got about a mile in the way of the beach that we do have two unique places.
1:36:14California is unbelievable with the fact that they're being next to that emergency station.
1:36:21So you have it one side, but on the other side you tell them that you can put a guard there.
1:36:26And also the other side around the nice people.
1:36:29But you can never, no matter how nice they are, you can never count on them.
1:36:32Like San Paolo down at Oceanside, they're all nice people.
1:36:36But if you went down there, even the nice people are a problem.
1:36:40Even Marshall.
1:36:41And you've got the whole business of picture taking, you know, where people get their cameras with the long lenses.
1:36:50No, I mean to get pictures of you in your bathing suits.
1:36:52Oh, yeah.
1:36:52Or, you know, stumbling in the ocean or something.
1:36:57And they love to sell them.
1:37:00You probably have a question thing in here.
1:37:04I don't know how plainly it is.
1:37:06The point came up with the problem of Claire's position, which you reiterated again yesterday, and in a sense made it worse.
1:37:15And, you know, he says he won't support Sol unless he gets right in the D1 position.
1:37:22full funding, which has created some confusion because the state position, the White House position, have meant that we must go ahead with these programs.
1:37:34But we've specifically stated at UM that they are not hinged one to the other.
1:37:39They are both essentially parallel.
1:37:43They're parallel, but not tied.
1:37:45He has tied them over and over.
1:37:47How applied or not?
1:37:50Because in the Chiefs' minds, they are tied.
1:37:52Because the deal that was cut with the Chiefs was that we would go for the others, which we are going for.
1:37:57But we are not publicly saying that we have to have one in order to have the other.
1:38:02We're not publicly saying, look, you've got to give us one or don't give us the other.
1:38:07We can't, but Laird is.
1:38:11Worse is the confusion that Laird is raising by he's announced his $5 billion supplemental
1:38:19for the increased activity in Vietnam, to maintain the increased activity in Vietnam through December 31st at the present level.
1:38:26The problem that creates is the obvious one of telling people that you're going to keep on at this level for six more months.
1:38:34What OMB is arguing for, and NSC supports them in this, is that we do have to go for a supplemental.
1:38:40It would not be credible not to.
1:38:43But that it should be a smaller supplemental and should be tied to increased activity in Vietnam through September 30th.
1:38:49So that we don't sound like we're going to go on forever at this rate.
1:38:55And they have enough in that to carry it through the election.
1:38:58If we still do want to maintain this level, there's ways of doing it through.
1:39:03We're not going to have to do the election, so that we won't have kids whining down.
1:39:10But the thing that's gone all over the wall is that Larry went out and
1:39:18to December 31st without consulting with anybody here, or they didn't know what to do with me, and that's what the press reported about us.
1:39:27And so it's like, you're a kind of problem maker.
1:39:31You may get, well, you can put that into a foreign policy question, couldn't you?
1:39:38That's budget, because it is war in Vietnam.
1:39:42It's just foreign policy.
1:39:45Well, that's what I would do unless we deal with it.
1:39:48I don't think it is.
1:39:49I think they need to work it out and then knock it down.
1:39:53If you knock it down, you're going to have to deal with it.
1:39:57It's working on me.
1:39:59This is part of the problem here, and I agree with you.
1:40:02Henry would be stomping around with a gun.
1:40:06He has to do it his own way.
1:40:08He's working on it.
1:40:10He's stomping around.
1:40:12Now the other bit of interesting news, which is good, is that McGregor had a session with Wilbur Mills and John Bernchester.
1:40:23And Mills said he will not prevent any extraneous amendments
1:40:30the death ceiling fell and considers the social security increase which the church is going to put on it in the Senate an extraneous amendment and he will not take it.
1:40:44And he's prepared to bottle the bill up and if it comes in from the Senate with that amendment on it, he will hold it in committee.
1:40:51And he will not put it out of committee.
1:40:53He'll hold it right on through the expiration of the debt ceiling and everything else.
1:40:58Sure.
1:40:59And then of course.
1:41:01He will join, and Long, of course, takes the same view.
1:41:04Don't let anything muddy it up.
1:41:06And he says, you've got the longs, because you have the up and down on that.
1:41:10Don't let the Congress get you into thinking that Congress isn't about to let the debt ceiling go off the hook.
1:41:18So what do you want me to say about that?
1:41:19At that point, I think you'd probably say you want to clean the debt ceiling.
1:41:25If they don't have an answer, we'll get one.
1:41:30No, no, don't, Christ, I don't want to rush in here to the last minute with stuff that they can't afford.
1:41:35The other point that Mills told them is that he will not take a Social Security increase of any kind at any level, 20% or 10% now, 10% later, or anything else, unless it provides for funding and for funding on a permanent basis, not a trust fund basis.
1:41:51In other words, he will insist upon a tax increase
1:41:57to go with the Social Security increase in the same piece of notice, or he won't take the Social Security increase.
1:42:05Now, they're not sure he'll hang tight on that, but McGregor said he was totally unequivocal, positive in the way he said it yesterday, with Dr. Beckham.
1:42:15So, he felt we were in pretty good shape on that one, too.
1:42:25Yeah.
1:43:10go to the final vote in the House today will carry people along.
1:43:20Yeah.
1:43:21What if the prosecution is certain?
1:43:28I'm not sure.
1:43:29You saw the daily, the report on daily at the Mayor's Congress.
1:43:37He went all out.
1:43:43And apparently it was super effective.
1:43:45We had the bullets before that.
1:43:47Incidentally, Pete Wilson has turned into a real star.
1:43:50He was our cleanup hitter.
1:43:52They had five Democrats on it, but Bubba conceded.
1:43:54He was our plan.
1:43:56He was also our serve, our coordinator.
1:43:59As in, all our guys who have been down there working the conference say that he really came through.
1:44:06He did a hell of a job in his speech, but he also did a superb formatting.
1:44:10Yeah, totally reversed what was interesting.
1:44:11That's why the times that were headed last year, the 5,000, the right column.
1:44:16Very well.
1:44:16This time they dropped it down.
1:44:18They put it in the first place below the fold on the first page.
1:44:22You know about it.
1:44:24You notice it.
1:44:26And what they said to every person, I mean, Jesus Christ, they might just fall apart.
1:44:32But anyway, what I've got to say, that's a hell of a change in opinion.
1:44:36It's a change in mayor's opinion.
1:44:40And it's a strong, what our guys said is that Pete's work had locked it up.
1:44:47We had about a two to one vote in favor of Nixon.
1:44:53And they suspended the rules to let Daley speak, because they had already done the five speakers.
1:44:58Daley demanded the court to suspend the rules on the 21st program.
1:45:02They suspended the revised rule and let Daley speak.
1:45:05And Daley gave this impassioned plea, shouting, and she says, I'll do anything to get a Republican president out of the White House.
1:45:16But by God, he's our president.
1:45:19war you know he's doing the right thing he's getting us out of the war and for god's sake stand behind the president and just brought down the rafters and this is a Rizzo deserves some credit for that Rizzo was maneuvering with David
1:45:39The thing that's exciting to me about this is that it's evidence, little bits and pieces, that we've got some machine working that's actually working on the Democratic side and on the Republican side at the sort of gut political level where we always seem in the past to have been helpless.
1:45:57Or you remember Bob, even?
1:45:59Even our coverage of such asshole organizations in the Republican government is common.
1:46:04Every time one was held, the story was virtually always negative.
1:46:07The last year, we turned that around.
1:46:08We had those locked.
1:46:09But remember, we used to send, well, basically, we had to face the record.
1:46:12We sent what?
1:46:13We sent a job.
1:46:14We sent other things.
1:46:20And we just don't know how to play the game.
1:46:23We've got a better team now.
1:46:25We really do.
1:46:25And it's just damn encouraging to see that.
1:46:28But don't you agree also that it helps?
1:46:29Oh, of course it does.
1:46:31Don't you think so?
1:46:32There's no question.
1:46:34And this thing, now they're reading enormous significance into the fact that Daley just met with McGovern.
1:46:39And coming right off, practically right off the meeting with McGovern, Daley goes down to the mayor's conference and just knocks the balls off of McGovern's war position.
1:46:50that says, for God's sake, stand behind our president.
1:46:54That leaves Montgomery in a pretty crappy place.
1:48:43He did the summit work one day.
1:48:45Very sick.
1:48:46Clark says that when he called, and I called him, and left him an understatement.
1:48:50I said, Mike.
1:48:51He said, good morning, Mr. President.
1:48:53Very, very laid off.
1:48:54Thank you.
1:48:55I've done this one.
1:48:56You know what I mean?
1:48:58Yes.
1:48:58You come out from understatement, and you don't know what the whole time of day is.
1:49:06You have not been really up to par at all.
1:49:09You can't do much.
1:49:10I'll give you five days.
1:49:11Next up.
1:49:12All right.
1:49:13That's good.
1:49:14Gallop.
1:49:140-2-6-1-2-9-1.
1:49:14Hello.
1:49:35They're going to release the presidential popularity on Sunday.
1:49:38It'll be 60-32.
1:49:39Their headline will be, The President's Popularity Remains High.
1:49:41They also ran a trial in Eastern Ohio.
1:49:43That's pretty damn good.
1:49:44It's not realistic.
1:50:06It's not even that significant.
1:50:09The other one, 6132, it's 6132.
1:50:09Like, no, no change.
1:50:13Well, you dropped the announcement.
1:50:14I mean, even some, by the convention, you dropped 55.
1:50:17The point is interesting, because the other was right in the flush with the Sullivan announcement in the middle of it.
1:50:24This is now, with Russia two weeks behind us, and that of the United States.
1:50:2719 to 19, just before the New York Prime Minister passed, when he was ever done with the armistice.
1:50:41And he should recover quite a bit.
1:50:43I'm not so sure of trial.
1:50:45I just can't believe it.
1:50:46Harris was there, though.
1:50:48He was there.
1:50:51He was after Russia?
1:50:52Yeah.
1:50:54It was a week after Russia.
1:50:55Well, 10 days, I think so.
1:50:59No, he came after the Russia.
1:51:01He came the weekend.
1:51:01The weekend, not the weekend we got back from Russia.
1:51:03The following weekend.
1:51:08Yeah.
1:51:09June 8th.
1:51:10So he's only a week before that.
1:51:11I don't think he's going to show Gallup and show a hell of a lot of people.
1:55:23But we have to stay over anyway a couple of days.
1:55:25We'll have to stay over for a good sentence anyhow.
1:55:29What?
1:55:30For a good sentence.
1:55:33What other sentence?
1:55:34I'm not going to be back before that.
1:55:41Roy Wilkins was talking to Carol yesterday.
1:55:46He said, I just want you to know that I have...
1:55:50There's been great policy differences in this administration.
1:55:54You're absolutely wrong on busing.
1:56:00I think you're wrong on this welfare defense.
1:56:02I would like you to know that the government is scared to do that.
1:56:06Now, John told me a little about it.
1:56:08Why he scared you?
1:56:10He said, no, I hear it.
1:56:11He said, my main reason he scares me is because he scares me so much.
1:56:12Really?
1:56:13Which is kind of interesting.
1:56:20I don't know that he wanted to beat up Jonathan.
1:56:24What do you think?
1:56:26I think that a guy like Wilkins, who is an advocate and all that, is nonetheless a basically fairly intelligent guy.
1:56:32He's a very intelligent guy.
1:56:34Wilkins is very intelligent.
1:56:36And I can't think that anybody who's intelligent can help him be scared by himself.
1:56:44Because he knows he's going to go so far, he's going to screw everything up.
1:56:51They know that the world inspects blacks.
1:56:53They know.
1:56:54Well, they disagree with you on a question.
1:56:55They think you're wrong.
1:56:56They honestly do.
1:56:59And they don't think you've done enough on housing and nutrition, and they know you never will.
1:57:04But they also know, they can't say it publicly, but they know you've done a hell of a lot more in terms of actual progress than anybody else has ever even thought of doing.
1:57:13And that I'm fair, and that you're fair.
1:57:15You've done something, and then we've done something like, even though this little program of private enterprise marketing.
1:57:22Well, and they know when you tell them.
1:57:24At least when you say you're against busing.
1:57:26And fight for it.
1:57:27You don't say, I'm for busing and then make sure it gets killed somewhere.
1:57:30And also, we provided the jobs for them.
1:57:32We provided them.
1:57:32We've done a lot of good things for them.
1:57:35So really, if you were a Negro, you would be like they are.
1:57:40What they did last time.
1:57:41Cardinal.
1:57:43You know, she didn't move from Cardinal.
1:57:49and it took three hours, of course, to sort of a pocket full of sentences, and it's supposed to have a picture, a story, and a carton of stone, and a carton of paper, and a carton of paper, and a carton of paper, and a carton of paper, and a carton of paper, and a carton of paper, and a carton of paper, and a carton of paper,
1:58:19You look at that period in our history, and how brutal it was, you know, there are two sides to this, and there are red men.
1:58:30That's why the wall is very vicious, and it's going to be against us, and all the red men will go around and stir up people, and it's a terrible hatred, and it's a bad, bad attitude, and it's going to be the old men who are responsible.
1:58:46Well, we all have anti-pollution integration.
1:58:47We've argued that well.
1:58:48That's the other thing, because when the demagogues do a cold play, the demagogues tell these people, you know, jobs now, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
1:58:57And all of a sudden, they start a mess.
1:59:01And that's where it's the white stuff.
1:59:03So it's reverse and reverse.
1:59:05So it's very important to have a moderate course in a personal way.
1:59:08You never have any, you know, you never have...
1:59:12the issue that here you have a pregnant woman with a delirium.
1:59:16Now the other thing that matters is that there is a lack of education.
1:59:27There's a lack of child elevators that go in and through at the school.
1:59:33And the blacks have a significant problem in catching up.
1:59:36That has to take a hell of a long time.
1:59:39It's a hell of a long time.
1:59:43It is 10% of the students, say this about many kids, Midwestern, Southern, High School, and so forth, that go to a school like Harvard or Princeton.
1:59:47A white kid goes to class on her own in Barrier High School in the center of Iowa.
1:59:50The second fourth kid over there goes to Harvard, and so forth, and so forth.
1:59:52And he ends up in a class, and so forth,
2:00:13I saw that happen in one of the last few weeks.
2:00:15Everybody was, the stars and everything, they were all fighting to camp an edge.
2:00:21All of the English leaders, all of their men had an edge.
2:00:24And I did not just camp a blue, I camped a blue.
2:00:27And, uh, grades.
2:00:27Yeah.
2:00:28Well, it was a terrible blow.
2:00:31It was a terrible blow.
2:00:32All accounts were shared.
2:00:34You know, the bomb, and they got on a bad track.
2:00:40Thank you.
2:00:41Thank you.
2:00:44Some don't have it.
2:00:48Some simply have the ability to go so far.
2:00:50They have a hell of a lot of guys, for example, that can be a very effective mayor in the common.
2:00:56But it might not be a good mayor in New York.
2:01:03The problem is that here it's a whole business.
2:01:13are black, white, and still in space, but there is a real problem, a genetic problem.
2:01:28Genetically, it's the cause of life.
2:01:30It's a plan.
2:01:30We can't ever say it.
2:01:31It's too bad you can't say it.
2:01:32Face up to that and deal with it realistically.
2:01:34You'd be a hell of a lot better off.
2:01:35And then deal with the problem.
2:01:36Genetically, you've got a real problem there.
2:01:38But rather than blaming it on somebody,
2:01:41rather than blaming it on the President of the United States?
2:01:45Look for Christ's sake.
2:01:45Come right down to it.
2:01:49Who were more put upon?
2:01:52The Boston Irish.
2:01:55So what do they do?
2:01:55They went into the politics and they went into the church.
2:01:59So you've got all sorts of Irish cardinals and you've got Irish politicians.
2:02:03Right?
2:02:04So they responded to the President of the United States.
2:02:07Who, for example, are more discriminated against than the Jews?
2:02:11I saw that happen in my class too.
2:02:41Everybody was stars in the air.
2:02:43They were all invited to camp in Anaheim.
2:02:44All of me was involved in the camp in Anaheim.
2:02:45But I did not just camp in Luz.
2:02:46I did camp in Luz.
2:02:47In Grades.
2:02:49Yeah.
2:02:49Well, there was a terrible blow.
2:02:50There was a big deal.
2:02:53All of us.
2:02:54There was a big deal.
2:02:55The bomb had been made on a bad track.
2:02:57It was a big deal.
2:03:00It was a public challenge.
2:03:03It was a good point to go and find out.
2:03:08It was a stretch of shit.
2:03:11Some don't have it, but some simply have the ability to go so far.
2:03:13There's a hell of a lot of guys, for example, that can be a very effective mayor of a town, but might not be a good mayor in New York.
2:03:24The problem is that if you're his whole business,
2:03:35in black, white, and silver and space, that there is a problem, a genetic problem.
2:03:47Genetically, it's the cause of life.
2:03:51It's a plan.
2:03:51We can't always say it, but it's true.
2:03:53It's too bad you can't say it.
2:03:54You know, then face up to that and deal with it realistically, and you'll be a hell of a lot better off.
2:03:58And then deal with the problem.
2:03:59Genetically, you've got a real problem here, but rather than blaming it on sleep,
2:04:04Instead of claiming it on purpose, right?
2:04:06Look what Christ said.
2:04:07Let me know.
2:04:12Who were put upon?
2:04:12The Boston Irish.
2:04:14So what did they do?
2:04:17They went into the politics and they went into the church.
2:04:21So you've got all sorts of Irish cardinals and you've got Irish politicians, right?
2:04:26So they responded to the presence of that one.
2:04:30who, for example, are more discriminated against than the Jews.
2:04:35Now, God damn it.
2:04:36People don't like Jews.
2:04:36There's people like Herb Bozor and Edison.
2:04:37I think there's no difference of view with them.
2:04:41But what does the Jew do?
2:04:42Well, of course, the Jew will replace him.
2:04:45He's already asked himself, not like people against him, but like he's against them.
2:04:52Nevertheless, he should look to himself.
2:04:54That's your fault.
2:04:56Nevertheless.
2:04:57The Jew has responded to discrimination, not by becoming more inferior, but becoming superior to those who discriminate against him.
2:05:05That's because he has the equipment to do that.
2:05:08And to ask my question, there is equipment there.
2:05:11And the black, the black compounds it.
2:05:14Some blacks have the equipment.
2:05:15But some of them, the blacks generally at this time do not develop it at all due to the fact that they are told
2:05:25that the reason for America's failure is not lack of equipment, but it's due always, that every black person has equipment, but it's because of the fact that he is a slave.
2:05:41And because of that, slavery, prejudice, and arrest, society owes him not only equal opportunity, but above equal opportunity, and we should go on.
2:05:53And that's where you're doing the disturbance.
2:05:56You put him beyond where he's able to perform competitively with the light.
2:07:00What can I do to help?
2:07:00And you've got to give this question to your clients.
2:07:03They've got to give this question to their clients.
2:07:27Absolutely.
2:07:28From a political standpoint, they're a liability.
2:07:30From a financial standpoint, we don't need it.
2:07:33And don't worry about the finances.
2:07:36Frankly, I think maybe we ought to find a way to give the $10 million back.
2:07:41And really keep that for us.
2:07:45I guess we could.
2:08:04some things that we have nothing to do with.
2:08:07I noticed there was a thing yesterday, a guy in Bethlehem Steel or something like that who said he was launching a big program of businessmen speaking out, traveling and spending their time.
2:08:24They've got a campaign against McGovern and this sort of thing against McGovern.
2:08:29I had a lot of other happening against McGovern.
2:08:31Is there an area?
2:08:31Why we're against McGovern?
2:08:33Because for us, it doesn't do any good to say there's 20 richest men in America for Nixon.
2:08:37They think, well, some rich men are correct.
2:08:40They ought to say, we're against McGovern and leave out the business reasons and say, why, this tax proposal would hurt the middle classes.
2:08:47It would hurt our defenses and all that sort of thing.
2:08:53I just, you agree with me on that.
2:08:55I sure do.
2:08:56Absolutely.
2:08:56I just think that, I just think they've got to be told.
2:09:01That's why I told you.
2:09:05What is it that we can control if we ever got that position done in this way?
2:09:18I think you just said a little bit, but I think I've approved it.
2:09:22I've approved it.
2:09:24I've approved it.
2:09:25And I'm not going to sit up there and talk.
2:09:27I know what all the problems are.
2:09:28It's hard to approve those rules.
2:09:35We're getting the re-staffing completed by 11 and a half.
2:09:36If you're the president, you're going to sign it at 11 o'clock.
2:09:38And no more bullshit.
2:09:40We've got to have it.
2:09:43We've got to.
2:09:43Okay.
2:09:44Re-staffing it.
2:09:46It's a hard thing to do.
2:09:47I know the domestic count is all about this goddamn thing.
2:09:52But I know that some people with religious questions.
2:09:56or for other reasons.
2:09:57And that's perfectly honorable.
2:09:59That's what bothers me about this.
2:10:01I may be wrong.
2:10:02I actually suspect that they are intentionally trying to just stall us so that it gets past polls so that then after you've done with polling and said what did you get, now we're going to throw pressure into it.
2:10:18I've already stated the position.
2:10:20I think we're in a bureaucratic stall on purpose.
2:10:24And
2:10:26Because I blew it open at the staff meeting this morning again because then I purposely did it by indirection.
2:10:32I jumped on one person because it was supposed to be out on an OMB letter.
2:10:35It was supposed to be out on Tuesday morning and he got back.
2:10:40And I said, here it is Thursday morning.
2:10:43One person says, I didn't even know there was supposed to be one until 3.30 yesterday afternoon when you're coming to your office calling me.
2:10:49I said, John's?
2:10:53They're supposed to be put into the IO field and they bottle it up.
2:11:03Or do whatever and done.
2:11:04John said this morning, he had approved it, it was all set to go.
2:11:07They were back dating it to yesterday so that it wouldn't look like it is under today.
2:11:16Now look, I am not, I am not going to read the fucking paper.
2:11:21They're not even looking at the paper, they're just doing the O.M.D.
2:11:23Then they're in or out.
2:11:24You just tell Rosen to sign it up.
2:11:26I don't think you need to sign it, just get signed up.
2:11:29Why do you need to sign it?
2:11:30I've been around the truck, I've been walking the apartment around this morning.
2:11:34And apparently they've all agreed to it.
2:11:36And everybody sat there this morning and said, yeah, it's a good... What it affects us to do, it simply says that we...
2:11:41It says we don't have any objection to this bill.
2:11:45And the bill provides a lot.
2:11:47The O.B.
2:11:47doesn't.
2:11:48They are asking for your opinion.
2:11:52The bill provides a lot.
2:11:55And we feel there's some better ways to do it.
2:11:58And we have some suggestions in the background for modification.
2:12:12There are suggestions that are acceptable.
2:12:13Nothing's going to happen.
2:12:14Nothing's going to happen.
2:12:15Mills was already indicated.
2:12:16There'll be no tax department selection this year.
2:12:18And he's right.
2:12:18And I'm so indicated.
2:12:19No problem on it at all.
2:12:20That's why we're out of our freaking minds not to do it.
2:12:22Make the issue.
2:12:23Hell yeah.
2:12:25It doesn't matter what the merits are or anything else.
2:12:28It's something that just doesn't make any difference.
2:12:35We've got some people who are just supposed to argue with me, and the world goes parallel.
2:12:42Well, I don't mind their being opposed to us.
2:12:43But the other thing that they should not do is try to insert their political judgment about mine.
2:12:50I have to make new political decisions.
2:12:53Political disservice, I want the advice, but I don't, I'm an adjunct, the domestic council staff doesn't always fucking ask first base about politicians.
2:13:01No, they don't.
2:13:02Jesus Christ, they were the ones that, you know, that went off.
2:13:06They were on this fucking bussing kit.
2:13:08Remember?
2:13:09Bussing's not an issue.
2:13:10Not an issue.
2:13:10Remember?
2:13:11They said it really is.
2:13:12They proved it.
2:13:12They pulled out all their phones.
2:13:14They also say Catholics don't care about their own kids.
2:13:17That is...
2:13:18Well, I don't care.
2:13:18If I all showed you that 99% didn't care, I wouldn't believe it.
2:13:21Because you know goddamn well there's 4 million Catholic families with kids in parochial schools, and they care about them, or they don't see them.
2:13:27I don't care.
2:13:27There's also a whole lot of people who are Catholic.
2:13:31It's part of it.
2:13:33care about it, and they will come out for you.
2:13:36They're that big of a trip for that reason.
2:13:39For no other reason.
2:13:39If there's no Catholic family in the country that cares, you still got Cardinal Crowell and Cardinal Cook who care.
2:13:44And if Cardinal Crowell and Cook are putting together an action organization, which they have, and they say they will put that organization behind you if you put this minimal level of action into the Bells Bell, we're out of our minds not to do it.
2:22:04There is a squishy quality here.
2:22:06It runs among the high strung intellectuals that you run into and you know it.
2:22:15It's pervasive.
2:22:16It's pervasive.
2:22:18It's what makes people work hard, and they overwork, and they drain, and they get out of control.
2:22:34Many of them, I think probably in more cases than none, the public figures are basically both ways.
2:22:52A lot of people are both ways.
2:22:58Again, what people do to themselves quietly is up to them.
2:23:07But if you get back to the sort of legalized way of sexual marriage, which you get...
2:27:06Thank you.
2:28:13With regard to this Laird thing, in a way we can say that, I can put it off in terms of a more wholesome question.
2:28:30Laird made it clear that he was speaking his personal view, and then Ziegler made that point.
2:28:35Personal view, which is, in a sense, separated.
2:28:41position for the last i don't think they want you to do anything i think they're trying to get a thing worked out
2:29:10Bob, what should the president say if he gets a question on the Slayers business and the difference between you and the artist himself?
2:29:20What about the other questions that the $5 billion for me is not celebrating for you, Senator?
2:29:34I have to mention that the press is going to say, well, Secretary Lerner has said we have to have $5 billion more for carrying on the increase forward to December 30th.
2:29:41What's your position?
2:29:42Do you disagree with it?
2:29:44I don't think that's what I heard you say.
2:30:02On the first thing he says, you know, the time of the defense could be one.
2:30:08He says this is a tactical semantic question.
2:30:19to move to phase two itself.
2:30:20We can't go to phase two of the negotiation without being as strong as we were when we went into phase one.
2:30:25On the Vietnam money, he says you've got to generalize it, that we've got to meet the increased cost of the enemy invasion.
2:30:32Not the enemy invasion, but that's a, that's part of Larry's, when he figures it out, Larry's offered a reward, and he can just say that's a theoretical, if you're based on a theoretical duration of the war.
2:30:44And all I can say at this point is we're doing what's necessary for the sport of America.
2:30:51I can't say that.
2:30:56I think he got it done.
2:30:57I wonder what his first foreign policy would say.
2:31:00I wonder what his first question would be.
2:31:05I wonder what his first foreign policy would say.
2:31:13I just have to leave him.
2:31:14Why don't we have Ziegler?
2:31:16I mean, who's going to
2:31:22Thank you.
2:31:25You almost have to say down when that falls in the category of questions.
2:31:28That's what I was going to say.
2:31:29Whether or not Zegers is going to say something about it tomorrow, he's knocked it down.
2:31:32He can't just say it right.
2:31:34He's going to have to address himself and he's going to have to look up on elimination.
2:31:39But he's knocked it as far as they think they can now.
2:31:41So if you guys say anything, basically I'm going to say it.
2:31:46I was on my way back when I was...
2:31:52He's coming all the way.
2:31:54He's very brave.
2:32:15All right.
2:32:16Wait a second.
2:32:46All right.
2:32:47Colson, please.
2:33:07Police changed the tax credit to $10,000 a year when they came in and spoke on notice to the sheriff and the sheriff's office.
2:33:11The sheriff changed the tax credit to $10,000 a year when they came in and spoke on notice to the sheriff's office.
2:33:31The sheriff changed the tax credit
2:33:36I'm not going to cut off the date because I know that I'm down low.
2:34:01It's for everybody.
2:34:07If all agreed, I would change it now.
2:34:21Chuck said it's okay.
2:34:25And everybody else has.
2:34:28This doesn't commit us to anything.
2:34:33It's a very complicated problem.
2:34:35They get Schultz in on it.
2:35:01The only value of this letter at this time is to get on record with the Catholics, and this covers what we want with the Catholics.
2:35:11Nothing's going to happen, so we're going to change it.
2:35:14And I just want to say that we're going to walk, we're going to walk, and we're going to walk through this airport.
2:35:31And we can change our position as long as we don't change our approach.
2:35:38So I heard you say that we're going to be pure, understand, and so forth.
2:35:45Without that, we're not going to be protected.
2:35:48Our general principle is here to ensure that you've got a word with us.
2:35:52What we've got to do is a more practical operation for the staff.
2:35:57I think part of the problem with this strategy is that
2:36:03You put one other person on it.
2:36:11It's a campaign.
2:36:14Writing speech.
2:36:14If you have eight people writing a speech, it'll take you eight days.
2:36:18If you have one, get them in a day.
2:36:19That's the way it works, Bob.
2:36:22These stats are too goddamn big.
2:36:26They go all around the track over and over again.
2:36:28They try to drive everybody around.
2:36:30They want to drive people, and they want to drive you to be considered, but they haven't had a meeting.
2:36:34They have a meeting and say, well, how do you work this out?
2:36:37And they have another meeting.
2:36:39And, you know, 80 men and 80 women.
2:36:40I know what happens.
2:36:42I know what happens.
2:36:43But I don't think they do that.
2:36:44I'm not trying to give off a serious face.
2:36:46I'm not trying to give off that kind of face.
2:36:49I'm trying to give off that kind of face.
2:36:52I'm not trying to give off that kind of face.
2:36:55where she can't date him.
2:36:57Ziggler.
2:36:59He's so confident that, uh...
2:37:04I doubt there's any sign of his image in an important system.
2:37:10But what I mean, Ziggler has enormous confidence beyond.
2:37:15You know, as I can see, as he was talking to me yesterday, he has confidence beyond just being a press man.
2:37:25He has a lot more than he realizes.
2:37:28He knows a lot more about the issues and the substance of it.
2:37:36He has an ulcer.
2:37:39He has an ulcer.
2:37:41I mean, this is so vicious.
2:37:48He breathes, breathes, breathes, breathes, breathes, breathes, breathes, breathes.
2:37:56I know what he goes through.
2:37:57That's why he also knows, this is tough, that's why I don't ever want to write Henry Harlan.
2:38:04I don't want to say there's a flashback regarding history.
2:38:11History's backed up all the time, right?
2:38:16Yeah, because it's so easy to say, oh, why didn't you say that?
2:38:18All right, but suppose you put Henry out there every day to handle the foreign policy questions and the events questions that Sigurd has every day.
2:38:27He'd screw up far more than that Sigurd would.
2:38:28Sure he would.
2:38:30He would because he'd know comments on things, and that'd blow up the story.
2:38:34Henry doesn't know what a mind field is.
2:38:35And he thinks he can dictate to him.
2:38:37Yeah.
2:38:37Well, you shouldn't ask me that question.
2:38:39Yeah.
2:38:40But he doesn't know many times.
2:38:41He doesn't know what the hell they're coming at him for.
2:38:44He doesn't anticipate the next question in case they answer it this way.
2:38:48You know, Zickers always say, well, I anticipated the right thing to come this way.
2:38:53Well, if you do that, they'll come at you this way.
2:38:56Henry never gets it done.
2:38:57and gets annoyed if you raise the possibility.
2:39:00Because, well, they shouldn't ask them.
2:39:02He had to do it day in and day out.
2:39:08He'd go on and starve when he's got a... Oh, yeah, that's right.
2:39:11And he's super, like, assimilating.
2:39:15Assimilating, starving.
2:39:16That's it.
2:39:17Yeah.
2:39:20Yeah.
2:39:23I guess he held it, right?
2:39:24Yeah, like he's got it.
2:39:24Yeah.
2:39:25Yeah.
2:39:48in a sense do that, having been a newsman and being a reporter in a way that Ron can't do.
2:39:53And also Eisenhower.
2:39:53And playing on Eisenhower.
2:39:54Yeah, the president didn't want to do that.
2:39:56I've been at this event and we haven't been very close to the president for many years.
2:39:58They're all in one of them.
2:40:00We've come above that.
2:40:03I do not have any press conferences for a while.
2:40:11They don't create some kind of alarm.
2:40:16They don't light it.
2:40:17Nevertheless, uh, they got a little of it.
2:40:23This here, of course, was a crude, smart, and he had the advantage of the present love of his boss.
2:40:31So how come he'd get the shit out of anybody who, you know, did the love of his boss?
2:40:40We have to admit, he didn't have much love for any of them before he said what he's got to.
2:40:46He does.
2:40:46I mean, I went down there and he called in there.
2:40:48That's not a very good story.
2:40:50I guess he is.
2:40:52He's got it straight on that.
2:40:56He calls him on a storyboard he knows.
2:40:58He's got enough of those, you know.

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