Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 732 › Conversation 732-005

Nixon, Scott & Ford on SALT and Vietnam War

Tuesday, June 13, 1972 · 9:39 AM–9:50 AM ET · Oval Office

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Scott, Hugh; Ford, Gerald R.; MacGregor, Clark; Klein, Herbert G.; Ziegler, Ronald L.Conversation732-005 on Tape 732 (tape position 00:23:23–00:34:41)StartTuesday, June 13, 1972 at 9:39 AMEndTuesday, June 13, 1972 at 9:50 AMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 732-005 ↗

President Nixon met with Republican congressional leaders and key aides to strategize on gaining legislative support for the Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty (SALT) and to discuss the timing of its implementation alongside Soviet relations. The participants also reviewed foreign policy priorities, specifically addressing the political dangers of a rapid withdrawal from Vietnam and the importance of maintaining U.S. defense commitments, including security assistance to Israel. Furthermore, the group coordinated on domestic legislative priorities, including Revenue Sharing and House Resolution 1.

Audio for this conversation has not been released by the National Archives.

No transcript is available because the audio has not been released.

On June 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Hugh Scott, Gerald R. Ford, Clark MacGregor, Herbert G. Klein, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:39 am to 9:50 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 732-005 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 732-5

Date: June 13, 1972
Time: 9:39-9:50 am.
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Hugh Scott, Gerald R. Ford, Clark MacGregor, Herbert G. Klein, and
Ronald L. Ziegler.

[The recording began while the conversation was in progress.]

     Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty [SALT]
           -Support in House of Representatives
                -Statements of support
           -Timing
           -Soviet Union
           -Future agreements
           -Delays

     Vietnam resolution
          -The President's view

            -Timing
            -Impact on negotiations

      Revenue sharing
          -Ford

      House Resolution [HR] 1
          -Scott’s actions
          -Abraham A. Ribicoff
          -The President’s position

      Foreign policy issues
           -Congressional Republican’s efforts
           -Vietnam
                 -Prisoners of War [POWs]
                 -Peace offers
           -Defense commitments
                 -Future agreements
                 -SALT negotiations
                 -US strength
                       -Navy
                            -Sixth Fleet
           -US policy
           -New isolationists
           -US security assistance program
                 -US policy
                 -Israel
           -U.S. prestige
                 -The President's prestige
           -Democrats
                 -House Committee on Foreign Affairs
                 -Apprehensions
           -Vietnam negotiations
                 -Dangers of pullout

      Vietnam
           -POWs
               -Cease fire
                    -Compared with Korean War

Scott, et al., left at 9:50 am.
  • 102-008 8:01 AM · 1 hr 15 min — Richard M. Nixon, Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, George P. Shultz, and Republican Congressional leaders, including Charls E. Walker, Hugh Scott, Robert P. Griffin, Margaret Chase Smith, Gordon L. Allott, Norris Cotton, Gerald R. Ford, Norris Cotton, Gerald R. Ford, Leslie C. Arends, John B. Anderson, John J. Rhodes, Robert C. ("Bob") Wilson, H. Allen Smith, Samuel L. Devine, Richard H. Poff, Barber B. Conable, Jr., Robert J. Dole, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., Clark MacGregor, Peter M. Flanigan, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., William E. Timmons, Harry S. Dent, Herbert G. Klein, Patrick J. Buchanan, Caspar W. ("Cap") Weinberger, Richard K. Cook, Thomas C. Korologos, and Ronald L. Ziegler, met in the Cabinet Room of the White House at an unknown time between 8:01 am and 9:39 am.
  • 103-001 8:01 AM · 11 min — Richard M. Nixon, Vice President Spiro T. Agnew, George P. Shultz, and Republican Congressional leaders, including Charls E. Walker, Hugh Scott, Robert P. Griffin, Margaret Chase Smith, Gordon L. Allott, Norris Cotton, Gerald R. Ford, Norris Cotton, Gerald R. Ford, Leslie C. Arends, John B. Anderson, John J. Rhodes, Robert C. ("Bob") Wilson, H. Allen Smith, Samuel L. Devine, Richard H. Poff, Barber B. Conable, Jr., Robert J. Dole, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., Clark MacGregor, Peter M. Flanigan, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., William E. Timmons, Harry S. Dent, Herbert G. Klein, Patrick J. Buchanan, Caspar W. ("Cap") Weinberger, Richard K. Cook, Thomas C. Korologos, and Ronald L. Ziegler, met in the Cabinet Room of the White House at an unknown time between 8:01 am and 9:39 am.
  • 732-002 8:01 AM — unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:01 am and 9:39 am.
  • 732-003 8:01 AM — United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:01 am and 9:39 am.
  • 732-004 8:01 AM — unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:01 am and 9:39 am.
  • 103-003 9:39 AM · 4 min — unknown person(s) met in the Cabinet Room of the White House at an unknown time between 9:39 am and 5:20 pm.
  • 732-006 9:52 AM — President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Stephen B. Bull, Henry A. Kissinger, John C. Stennis, and Thomas C. Korologos met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:52 am to 11:09 am.
  • 732-007 11:15 AM — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:15 am to 11:17 am.

Conversation 732-005, June 13, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/732-005 (accessed October 12, 2026).